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Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« on: 10 August 2007, 16:12:17 »

[size=14]Hi, I am taking my 2.6 MV6 Auto to santa pod next month and quite frankly even though the 2.6 is a quick car! the Acceleration (0-60) is a bit poor, I time mine at around 9.5 seconds ish! I would like to know if there are any techniques that can help me get a better start! A few people have said rev and try dropping into D but, I dont think thats a good idea! does anyone here know if that will hurt my baby?

any suggestions welcome!!

Dont wanna look a fool on the drag strip!!! LOL

Cheers  :)[/size]
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #1 on: 10 August 2007, 16:18:52 »

use sports mode,thats the only way you will improve initial acceleration.i would not get the revs up and drop into D you may end up busting the box and a large bill to follow.
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #2 on: 10 August 2007, 16:24:38 »

a month away? plenty of time to put a manual box in it :D
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #3 on: 10 August 2007, 16:25:37 »

A few people have said rev and try dropping into D

Seems like a good method to put a great big shock loading throughout
your drivetrain.  :o

How many minutes did you say you intended to keep the car?  ::)

You can't buck the laws of physics. You have to overcome inertia.
How quick you do that will depend on the engine's power output and
gearing, not how much shock loading you apply on everything from
the crankshaft through to your diff and everything else inbetween.
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #4 on: 10 August 2007, 16:29:59 »

Mmmm. The auto boxes are rather prone to failure without stunts like chucking it into "d" with a lot of revs on IMHO.

You might get a better launch if you give it a little throttle and hold it on the brakes between staging and the off but other than that,  sport mode and making sure the transmission is in good order and the fluid is clean there's not much that can easily be done.

The real problem is that the gearing is quite tall on these cars and the auto box only has 4 ratios - and you'll only use 1 1/2 of them getting to 60.

9.5 does sound a little on the slow side though. I'm sure 2.5 / 2.6 owners on here have reported getting down into the 8's. I may be thinking of manual cars, however.

A little practice on a quiet road private test track with an AP22 never did any harm!

Kevin
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #5 on: 10 August 2007, 16:31:47 »

Yeah I'm not mechanically minded but I was pretty sure that would be a very bad idea!!
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #6 on: 10 August 2007, 16:32:28 »

Get it in D with sports mode on, apply foot brake and floor the throttle as the lights come up. The revs will limit at the stall point of the converter.....when they lights go, take your foot off the brake.

Also, dont sit with the engine running in the que, as you want the engine up to operating temp but, you dont want heat soak, if you have to keep it running, try opening the bonnet!

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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #7 on: 10 August 2007, 17:00:25 »

Other than the gearing, the problem you've got with an auto box is that controlling the torque to the transmission is out of your hands.

With a manual car you can rev the engine to about where it's generating peak torque during staging, and feed in the clutch as you pull away to transfer this torque to the wheels during the initial acceleration whist maintaining engine speed, until you're at the point where the speed of the car matches the speed of the engine whereby the clutch is fully engaged and you're off. This'll cause a little clutch wear but you'll get a quick start.

With an automatic, no torque is fed to the transmission at the instant you floor it. First you've got the reaction time for the engine to accelerate on full throttle, as it was previously idling. As the engine revs pick up, the torque converter starts to pass engine torque through to the transmission until it reaches its' stall speed, which will be lower than the speed at which the engine torque peaks - probably about 2200 RPM. As the car starts to pull away you are stuck in this situation where the engine is bogged down a little until the car speed has risen sufficiently to get the engine up into its' power band. The torque converter isn't as lossy as a clutch during this period but, because the engine is running slower than ideal, it's not generating as much power so the car is accelerating more slowly. Once the car is moving and the revs get into the engine's power band the automatic car is probably only limited by the fact that the gear ratios are taller and further apart than a manual car's equivalents. It's the initial start that's slow.

Drag racers on auto boxes normally change the torque converter for something that'll stall at a more optimal speed higher up the engine's rev range, and stage the car with the engine running well above idle and the brakes on, so the engine doesn't take as long to accelerate.  The downside of this is that the torque converter will feel horribly slippy on the road and give poor fuel consumption. It's a compromise.

Revving it up and banging it into "D" might feel more like the manual option, above, in that the engine is already running at speed so perhaps you have gained by not waiting for the engine speed to rise. However, with a manual car you've got a nice big clutch to smoothly engage the drive and dissipate the energy that's lost in the process.  In an automatic box you've got small, delicate clutches that are normally only actuated when the engine torque has been limited by the ECU. They're not designed to smoothly feed in a lot of power / torque so they will either do so with a bang or they will dissipate a lot of energy and burn out. If they engage with a bang the shock will get transferred elsewhere in the drivetrain. You had better hope that this is dissipated in the tyres as traction is broken because the other options are expensive. Lighting up the tyres isn't going to get you a good time. Neither is leaving bits of propshaft, gearbbox and diff all over the track.  ;)

OK. It's friday afternoon, I'm bored and I've probably just over-analysed the problem of drag racing with an autobox. Soon be home time ::)

Kevin
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #8 on: 10 August 2007, 17:33:46 »

A very informative reply Kevin.... however I'll go with this one:

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plenty of time to put a manual box in it :D

:D

Oh and switch off the traction control, it's bloody useless for anything other than reducing tyre wear.
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #9 on: 10 August 2007, 19:26:50 »

Change the diff for a lower ratio, will improve acceleration but reduce top end.
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #10 on: 10 August 2007, 19:27:41 »

7.8 I think it was I got
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #11 on: 10 August 2007, 21:14:20 »

Use a high octane fuel between now and then...
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #12 on: 10 August 2007, 22:54:43 »

BP or Shell high octane stuff
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #13 on: 11 August 2007, 01:12:24 »

Santa pod huh? Yep. You will need one spanner and a blindfold. Put the blindfold on the jet car driver and with the spanner, borrow his Rolls Royce RB199 turbofan engine. That should improve things just a tad! :y
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Re: Ways to get better Acceleration with Auto V6?
« Reply #14 on: 11 August 2007, 07:29:25 »

Thanks for all the great advice chaps, keep it coming!!
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