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Paper clip test still no go
« on: 04 September 2007, 19:33:28 »
Retried paper clip test I linked pins 6&4 as per photo at
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...6/plug1to8.jpg
ign on, inserted link. light goes out but does not flash, waited 3mins. Then inserted link, turned ign on ,to position before start light goes out but does not flash waited 3mins. Air bag light and ABS light go out at different times so are not connected in parallel EML goes out on start up. Any ideas please. :(
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #1 on: 04 September 2007, 19:35:41 »
Just getting 'Page Not Found' when clicking on your link?
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #2 on: 04 September 2007, 19:36:28 »
i think they wrong pins. but you should connect pins prior to turning ignition on! light will come on then go off then flash codes out.  BUT REMEMBER LING BEFORE TURN IGNITION ON!
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #3 on: 04 September 2007, 19:45:14 »
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #4 on: 04 September 2007, 19:49:26 »
Yes, that link works.

The pins look correct.
Judging by your details, you'll have a Simtec 56.5.
So there is no 'initiation of test' flashes, so your result of
no flashes would suggest that you have no faults stored.

What codes were you expecting to find?
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #5 on: 04 September 2007, 20:03:29 »
Thanks so much grumpy I was expecting the   * pause **  diagnostic mode.  It was just i had a starting problem Sunday night Monday morning, and I was just checking all is well now.   :) :) :) :) :)  
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #6 on: 05 September 2007, 16:41:21 »
I'm a little confused by this.  I found a link somewhere else  www.topbuzz.co.uk/info/fault_codes  which worked for me and I have the same plug as yours.  According to the info I got, the pins are numbered with 1 being in the top right hand side and 2 being under it.  The sequence then goes across the connector in the same way. You have to short out pins 4 and 6 which the picture you have incorrectly labels them as 5 and 6.  I think that's why it doesn't work.

Also, This connector is supposed to be the 56.5 thingy but I got fault codes that match the other kind.  I had to have the engine running for it to work but when I did, the light blinked code 12 "diagnostics initiated" then it blinked out code 136 "ECU".  I did some work on cleaning up the ecu connections and checking they were all on tight and the fault went away, suggesting the codes I got were accurate.

Did I get it wrong and if I did, how come it worked?
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #7 on: 05 September 2007, 16:47:37 »
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I'm a little confused by this.  I found a link somewhere else  www.topbuzz.co.uk/info/fault_codes  which worked for me and I have the same plug as yours.  According to the info I got, the pins are numbered with 1 being in the top right hand side and 2 being under it.  The sequence then goes across the connector in the same way. You have to short out pins 4 and 6 which the picture you have incorrectly labels them as 5 and 6.  I think that's why it doesn't work.

Also, This connector is supposed to be the 56.5 thingy but I got fault codes that match the other kind.  I had to have the engine running for it to work but when I did, the light blinked code 12 "diagnostics initiated" then it blinked out code 136 "ECU".  I did some work on cleaning up the ecu connections and checking they were all on tight and the fault went away, suggesting the codes I got were accurate.

Did I get it wrong and if I did, how come it worked?
V6 will work with engine on or off. 2.0l requires ign on, engine off.
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #8 on: 05 September 2007, 17:21:25 »
I had hoped things were sorted  I numbered the pins now I am wondering if what I tried is correct can The Boy help me on this one. Can anyone give me a definate pin number sequence PLEASE.   Totaly confused now.
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #9 on: 05 September 2007, 17:32:12 »
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I had hoped things were sorted  I numbered the pins now I am wondering if what I tried is correct can The Boy help me on this one. Can anyone give me a definate pin number sequence PLEASE.   Totaly confused now.
hold fire, I'll go out and plug a paperclip in mine (3.0l, but pins the same) and photo it.
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #11 on: 05 September 2007, 18:26:24 »
No need to be confused, Johnc. You've done it correctly.

nuclear_onion has a 94 V6, so I would expect, but can't confirm,
that he would have a version of Motronic, not a Simtec 56.5.

Also I can't work out how he's counting the pins to make 4&6 = 5&6  :-/
Or what this counting across the connector instead of lineally is about  :-/
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #12 on: 05 September 2007, 18:37:17 »
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No need to be confused, Johnc. You've done it correctly.

nuclear_onion has a 94 V6, so I would expect, but can't confirm,
that he would have a version of Motronic, not a Simtec 56.5.

Also I can't work out how he's counting the pins to make 4&6 = 5&6  :-/
Or what this counting across the connector instead of lineally is about  :-/
Shouldn't matter if its pins 4 and 6 or 5 and 6, as 4 and 5 should be connected anyway.
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #13 on: 05 September 2007, 18:48:40 »
as 4 and 5 should be connected anyway.

Ah! That would explain why some folk use 5&6 and some folk use 4&6.
It doesn't really matter.

It would also explain how 'nuclear_onion' got the Code 136 for his, I presume,
Motronic ECU using different pins?
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Re: Paper clip test still no go
« Reply #14 on: 05 September 2007, 18:56:43 »
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as 4 and 5 should be connected anyway.

Ah! That would explain why some folk use 5&6 and some folk use 4&6.
It doesn't really matter.

It would also explain how 'nuclear_onion' got the Code 136 for his, I presume,
Motronic ECU using different pins?
Motronic uses same pins on diag socket as Simtec
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