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Andy B

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Re: Caravan
« Reply #15 on: 08 October 2007, 23:26:51 »

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i think it would be a good thing, if you are stopped by the police and you dont have a test certificate, you could be prosicuted just as with a car, it would ensure that the vans were roadworthy, just like cars, I know an MOT etc is only as good as the day its written, but there would be a way of policing it and it would take unroadworthy caravans off the road.
The service I have done is not a tick the box, it is a gas and electric service which by law only gas and electrical engineers are allowed to service, i go away each year knowing that all the electrics are correct and the gas flames/leaks are sorted to allow my family to sleep safe at night, so it is worth £120 per year and boxes to be ticked.
An unroadworthy caravan would be an unroad worthy with or without a 'van MOT, just as your car is now.
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Re: Caravan
« Reply #16 on: 08 October 2007, 23:32:28 »

It is common practice for any servicing done by  National Caravan Council approved workshop to be shown by a sticker fixed adjacent to the towball.

I was stopped by the law 3 weeks ago ... "routine check sir" .. they started to look around ..saw the sticker, saw the van/car nice and level (omega self levelling suspension helps here), looked in the windows and saw  everything strapped down.. end of check ... then 5 minutes pleasant chat with 2 guys doing a good job IMHO, they knew what they were looking for and were polite about it.

http://www.nationalcaravan.co.uk/home/index.asp?id=1&nid=24
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Re: Caravan
« Reply #17 on: 08 October 2007, 23:33:17 »

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i think it would be a good thing, if you are stopped by the police and you dont have a test certificate, you could be prosicuted just as with a car, it would ensure that the vans were roadworthy, just like cars, I know an MOT etc is only as good as the day its written, but there would be a way of policing it and it would take unroadworthy caravans off the road.
The service I have done is not a tick the box, it is a gas and electric service which by law only gas and electrical engineers are allowed to service, i go away each year knowing that all the electrics are correct and the gas flames/leaks are sorted to allow my family to sleep safe at night, so it is worth £120 per year and boxes to be ticked.
An unroadworthy caravan would be an unroad worthy with or without a 'van MOT, just as your car is now.

I know that ::) but it would make people think about what they are doing, it would give the police powers to act upon, just like they do with cars.
If thats the case, then they may as well not bother with car MOTs.
any idea is better than nothing being done to keep the roads safe, if it means making people sit up and think then MOTs for caravans, I agree.

 
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Re: Caravan
« Reply #18 on: 08 October 2007, 23:34:55 »

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It is common practice for any servicing done by  National Caravan Council approved workshop to be shown by a sticker fixed adjacent to the towball.

I was stopped by the law 3 weeks ago ... "routine check sir" .. they started to look around ..saw the sticker, saw the van/car nice and level (omega self levelling suspension helps here), looked in the windows and saw  everything strapped down.. end of check ... then 5 minutes pleasant chat with 2 guys doing a good job IMHO, they knew what they were looking for and were polite about it.

http://www.nationalcaravan.co.uk/home/index.asp?id=1&nid=24

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Re: Caravan
« Reply #19 on: 08 October 2007, 23:35:47 »

 :)Yes we do crawl past eachother, have accidents & cause our fair share of delays. I'llbe one of the few who will admit we deserve some of our bad press & there are some very dubious hauliers & drivers about, i can't deny it. However we have to be licenced to cause our chaos & do it every day for an underpaid living, not as a pastime. If every HGV driver had a week off together we'd have empty shops, no construction, fuel, food, furniture, cars, anything! I just think there should be some rules/regs in place for caravans. I'll hold my hands up & admit that truck drivers can be a real pain.
    I wonder how many caravanners will be as honest.
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Re: Caravan
« Reply #20 on: 08 October 2007, 23:38:00 »

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:)Yes we do crawl past eachother, have accidents & cause our fair share of delays. I'llbe one of the few who will admit we deserve some of our bad press & there are some very dubious hauliers & drivers about, i can't deny it. However we have to be licenced to cause our chaos & do it every day for an underpaid living, not as a pastime. If every HGV driver had a week off together we'd have empty shops, no construction, fuel, food, furniture, cars, anything! I just think there should be some rules/regs in place for caravans. I'll hold my hands up & admit that truck drivers can be a real pain.
    I wonder how many caravanners will be as honest.

Caravanners, a pain? Perish the thought.  ::)
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« Reply #21 on: 08 October 2007, 23:40:02 »

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:)Yes we do crawl past eachother, have accidents & cause our fair share of delays. I'llbe one of the few who will admit we deserve some of our bad press & there are some very dubious hauliers & drivers about, i can't deny it. However we have to be licenced to cause our chaos & do it every day for an underpaid living, not as a pastime. If every HGV driver had a week off together we'd have empty shops, no construction, fuel, food, furniture, cars, anything! I just think there should be some rules/regs in place for caravans. I'll hold my hands up & admit that truck drivers can be a real pain.
    I wonder how many caravanners will be as honest.

You are right, some caravanners are a real pain and do cause probs, its a good thing that you cannot now drive  and tow when you first pass your test, thats a positive change, I think it is now compulsary to take some sort of test/course before you can tow.

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Re: Caravan
« Reply #22 on: 08 October 2007, 23:40:58 »

As an ex caravanner and a Truck driver I can confirm..

Car drivers are a pest.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #23 on: 08 October 2007, 23:45:37 »

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As an ex caravanner and a Truck driver I can confirm..

Car drivers are the best.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Caravan
« Reply #24 on: 08 October 2007, 23:48:22 »

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:)Yes we do crawl past eachother, have accidents & cause our fair share of delays. I'llbe one of the few who will admit we deserve some of our bad press & there are some very dubious hauliers & drivers about, i can't deny it. However we have to be licenced to cause our chaos & do it every day for an underpaid living, not as a pastime. If every HGV driver had a week off together we'd have empty shops, no construction, fuel, food, furniture, cars, anything! I just think there should be some rules/regs in place for caravans. I'll hold my hands up & admit that truck drivers can be a real pain.
    I wonder how many caravanners will be as honest.

As a car, caravan, LGV and PCV license holder I see merit in all the arguments.

There is a view that the only "unlicensed" part of that list is caravan's .. but that only applies to us older folk, new drivers have to take the towing test (B+E).

Although the LGV and PCV tests are VERY easy to fail .. they are also not difficult to pass... all you have to do is drive properly for about 90 minutes ...... passing does not make you a "good" driver.. that is an attitude and a willingness to learn , something many drivers of any class of vehicle seem to have forgotton.
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Re: Caravan
« Reply #25 on: 08 October 2007, 23:54:10 »

True. A pass certificate alone does'nt make a driver. BEDTIME!!!
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« Reply #26 on: 08 October 2007, 23:55:42 »

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True. A pass certificate alone does'nt make a driver. BEDTIME!!!

Ciggy time
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Re: Caravan
« Reply #27 on: 09 October 2007, 00:24:19 »

Me thinks, forget giving the clowns in whitehall an excuse for yet another layer of red tape, lets have a Driver Intellegence Test, to be passed annually.  The number of clowns on the road, its surprising there is not a lot more accidents. A basic test to determine if a person is actually aware of what he/she is doing when they take a car out on the roads, and the effects of various parameters on the car performance. For example, there is a black car, prob Mondeo or Audi, sometimes round the back of the house I am working on. It has low profile tyres on alloys. The other day I noticed that the front O/S tyre was flat, and the rim was crushing the tyre wall. The car was moved that night, and the next. It must have been a pain to drive with the flat. A couple of days later, I saw 2 guys sitting in it, so mentioned in a friendly sort of way that his tyre was flat. The car has now been sitting for a further week, still with the flat, so I hate to think what the sidewall is like. Just think, sometime soon that person is going to get the tyre blown up and start driving it, probably at 80mph in the fast lane. Ouch. Its common sense to us who know about such things, such as regularly checking tyre pressures, water, brake fluid etc to know the potential effects of something like this. But the person who always gets their car serviced at a certain garage will assume (wrongly) that the car is always perfectly safe and will always be, provided they get it regularly serviced. Legislation always tries to make things totally safe for people who have no clue about mechanical things, but who want to be allowed to drive a car, or operate electrical or mechanical things. It forgets that the person needs a basic intellegence, to assess how something works and hence the potential dangers before they are capable of doing anything. Things like there have been plenty adverts that show what happens if you drive without a seatbelt, and the effect of getting hit in the back from a rear seat passenger, yet the number of clowns (mostly young men) in Bradford that still drive about without seatbelts is amazing. There is also a significant number of drivers in that fair city, that you think "how the h*ll did they ever pass their test", yet  they keep on going, paying no attention to stop signs, give ways, cutting corners, indicators etc. Someone who has a caravan should be capable of checking the basic requirements like tyres, pressures, bearings etc, but this is basic common sense, we don't need further legislation to control this. I was recently carrying a high load on the roof of my car. The load was within the limits for the roof rack, I was travelling at a slower speed (50mph), I had a very long, new, thick rope holding it down, and I use a technique where I secure it front to back, and side to side, several times, so it can't move forward or back, up or down, or side to side. I was stopped by the Police, because they didn't like the look of it. I demonstrated that it couldn't move forward/back, up/down or side/side, but he wasn't satisfied, and said he would get me next time, even after I pointed out that I had just driven 200miles with no problems. Government are trying to make things safe for the majority, which will kill individuality like building your own car, and heaven forbid programming your own injection system. We are heading for a 1984 environment. Shame really cause its not a bad world if you can get rid of the idiots.
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Re: Caravan
« Reply #28 on: 09 October 2007, 09:23:42 »

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What an absolute prat! If he had considered it dangerous he would have surely asked you to do something about it THIS time. He clearly didn't, so why shouldn't you do it again?

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Re: Caravan
« Reply #29 on: 09 October 2007, 12:45:10 »

most people who own a "van" tend to look after them  :y
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