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[markey mark]

about were that sensor is there should be a small cat bud thats the front pipe off a 2.0 and will make your car run crap !! and give you fault codes !!  

[marko2002]

Yep, Mark (admin) has already pointed me to this pic https://sslrelay.com/buypartsby.co.uk/cat_details.php?recordID=1856 which shows the correct exhaust for my car, and I definatley remember it looking exactly like that whilst the car was on the ramps and although the spanner at Budget has assured me their replacement is the correct one they really don't have an argument any more as the car does without a doubt sound terrible and absolutely nothing at all like it used to.   Phoned Budget again 5 mins ago and they say the new exhaust isn't there yet but giving them another hour and if no response I'm round there until it shows up or will give them grief every time another customer pulls in.   If, at the end of the day, and as Mark rightly pointed out they can't supply me with the right one I'm asking for my old one back and a refund and I'll take it to a private garage which has since been recommended by a few local folk to have a repair done.   If I don't reply today chances are I might be in a cell for the weekend!!!

[markey mark]

Yep, Mark (admin) has already pointed me to this pic https://sslrelay.com/buypartsby.co.uk/cat_details.php?recordID=1856 which shows the correct exhaust for my car, and I definatley remember it looking exactly like that whilst the car was on the ramps and although the spanner at Budget has assured me their replacement is the correct one they really don't have an argument any more as the car does without a doubt sound terrible and absolutely nothing at all like it used to.   Phoned Budget again 5 mins ago and they say the new exhaust isn't there yet but giving them another hour and if no response I'm round there until it shows up or will give them grief every time another customer pulls in.   If, at the end of the day, and as Mark rightly pointed out they can't supply me with the right one I'm asking for my old one back and a refund and I'll take it to a private garage which has since been recommended by a few local folk to have a repair done.   If I don't reply today chances are I might be in a cell for the weekend!!!

you might have to dig your heels in bud but dont give up !!!!

[marko2002]

Whilst in a snapping mood, thought I'd take a photo of what else is connected to my exhaust!   Thanks for the help so far all.

[JamesV6CDX]

Imcomptetent muppets!

Your best bet, is to demand they fit the old, blowing cat and refund your money in full.

Or I would take them to small claims court for a refund, you CANNOT loose....

[Kevin Wood]

When you get your old exhaust back, make sure you ask for the second Lambda sensor too, because they'll have had no where to connect it, I suspect they'll just have binned it.

Kevin

[marko2002]

When you get your old exhaust back, make sure you ask for the second Lambda sensor too, because they'll have had no where to connect it, I suspect they'll just have binned it.

Kevin

Strange thing is the 2 lambda sensors are already fitted to the new exhaust so it's compatible in that sense   Unfortunately, due to a slight mishap I was held up today and didn't think I'd make it to the garage but they phoned the house anyway and asked if it could be left till Monday as they wanted to bring another guy in to help check out the car and make sure it was as it should be.   Basically, it's either stalling tactics cause it's Friday (gulp gulp ahhhhh!) or they are genuinely getting someone in who knows how to open a Snap-On draw - either way I doubt I'd have managed to get in anyway, but Monday morning it's all systems go again!

Will obviously keep you all updated as to the progress and have a good un all  

[davlad22]

I wouldn't leave the car with them, stay around while your car is in and make sure they don't bosh it again.

[Andy B]

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Will obviously keep you all updated as to the progress and have a good un all  

You seem to have kept remarkably calm throughout this.  8-)  

[Kevin Wood]

When you get your old exhaust back, make sure you ask for the second Lambda sensor too, because they'll have had no where to connect it, I suspect they'll just have binned it.

Kevin

Strange thing is the 2 lambda sensors are already fitted to the new exhaust so it's compatible in that sense   Unfortunately, due to a slight mishap I was held up today and didn't think I'd make it to the garage but they phoned the house anyway and asked if it could be left till Monday as they wanted to bring another guy in to help check out the car and make sure it was as it should be.   Basically, it's either stalling tactics cause it's Friday (gulp gulp ahhhhh!) or they are genuinely getting someone in who knows how to open a Snap-On draw - either way I doubt I'd have managed to get in anyway, but Monday morning it's all systems go again!

Will obviously keep you all updated as to the progress and have a good un all  

Hmm. Where is the second Lambda sensor? I wonder if it's just downstream of the main cat, in the hope that that will work? I guess it might in theory, but the fact is, the pre-cat is there because it gets to work much faster then the main cat because it's physically smaller and closer to the engine, so heats up quicker. ECU is probably not seeing the cat up to temperature quickly enough so it's flagging cat efficiency errors.

I would press for a genuine exhaust as what they've supplied isn't fit for purpose.

Kevin

[VX1]

Also on another note, Before they fitted the new exhaust they should have realised that the new one looked nothing like the original, therefore they should not have fitted it, thus they have fitted an inadequate exhaust and not for the car. They have to replace with a new one to the exact same spec as the original. Secondly when the new exhaust and cat has been fitted the car needs to be idleing for approx 15 mins to allow the cat to reach temperature which is approx 350 degrees to 450 degrees this is a must otherwise the cats will eventually break down and become useless. This has to happen every time you start the car.

 I know this may sound boring BUT if you require your cats to work properly and efficiantly then this must be done. Also it may be best to replace the lambda probes at the same time as these breakdown over time. For stop start driving these need to be replaced at about 30,000 to 45,000 miles. Motorway driving anything between 60,000 and 80,000. I have done the training on these so its not just guess work.

After this little info for all of you I would stick to your guns get the exhaust replaced WITH the correct pipe, wether its pattern or genuine, from the exhaust fitter's and pay no more money. There mistake, there problem to rectify at there cost.

Paul  

[marko2002]

I wouldn't leave the car with them, stay around while your car is in and make sure they don't bosh it again.

I will most certainly be waiting AND watching!!!

You seem to have kept remarkably calm throughout this.

Honestly, my wife would definately say different - I've been like a bear with a major sore head the last week!

Hmm. Where is the second Lambda sensor?

Just behind the cat that sits underneath the car (i.e. on a x2 system it would be just behind the second cat)

Before they fitted the new exhaust they should have realised that the new one looked nothing like the original

Problem is, they did - although they also said it was fine despite having only 1 CAT.   To be honest, I think this is now making them themselves wonder if they have got it seriously wrong as they want to make sure someone in particular is in on Monday to see and fit the new exhaust and I'm guessing it's possibly another person from another one of their garages - I'll obviously find out on Monday but I'm sticking to my guns on this one and won't be putting up with any more "see how you get on" bull - it will either be fixed 100% on Monday or I'll have my money back and my old exhaust re-fitted - either that or I'll demand they fit a VX genuine if they can't re-fit my old one.   Here's to Monday  

[markey mark]

keep us all informed as to what they suggest to do matey

[marko2002]

Will do m8, and this is one seriously good bloody forum by the way - learned shed loads in the short space of time I've been here!   Absolute credit to everyone.

[Olympia5776]

Did you pay by credit card ? If so notify the card company and let the garage  know that you will be pursuing them for a full refund through the credit card company. Compile all the info you can and forward it to the CCC
I believe the sales contract is actually between the card company and the garage.
It's clearly the wrong exhaust.
Don