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[marko2002]

Hi guys, new here so please bear with me ... bought my 2.2CD auto Omega over a month ago and already I've had to have a head gasket replaced, font section exhaust (£400) and windscreen.   It's beginning to rack up the £££'s and the exhaust was only done on Saturday.   My problem is, now I'm getting a rattle from where the manifold meets the exhaust and a slight rasp from underneath the car.   It goes without saying that it's going back to the repair centre tomorrow along with a whole heap of potential abuse if they attempt to fob me off but I'm slightly concerned after reading a few other threads about problems with manifold bolts shearing off.   I've inspected the manifold and from what I can see it appears to be in order and this "rattle" definately wasn't there before I had the exhaust replaced.

On the Sunday my emissions control light came on I took it back to the garage on Monday, they couldn't find a problem but reset the error but it came back on on Tuesday!.   When they fitted the exhaust also they said my old exhaust had 2 cats but they could only get their hands on a replacement with 1 cat but it would be fine and wouldn't make any difference at all to the running of the car or the emissions but I'm now beginning to wonder to be honest.   Any thoughts???
Appreciated
Marko

[Marks DTM Calib]

Hi guys, new here so please bear with me ... bought my 2.2CD auto Omega over a month ago and already I've had to have a head gasket replaced, font section exhaust (£400) and windscreen.   It's beginning to rack up the £££'s and the exhaust was only done on Saturday.   My problem is, now I'm getting a rattle from where the manifold meets the exhaust and a slight rasp from underneath the car.   It goes without saying that it's going back to the repair centre tomorrow along with a whole heap of potential abuse if they attempt to fob me off but I'm slightly concerned after reading a few other threads about problems with manifold bolts shearing off.   I've inspected the manifold and from what I can see it appears to be in order and this "rattle" definately wasn't there before I had the exhaust replaced.

On the Sunday my emissions control light came on I took it back to the garage on Monday, they couldn't find a problem but reset the error but it came back on on Tuesday!.   When they fitted the exhaust also they said my old exhaust had 2 cats but they could only get their hands on a replacement with 1 cat but it would be fine and wouldn't make any difference at all to the running of the car or the emissions but I'm now beginning to wonder to be honest.   Any thoughts???
Appreciated
Marko

Jesus, whos fitting it, Robum Blind Ltd

Yes, not having two cats will make a hell of a difference as it wont support the 2 lambda setup on the 2.2!

The first lambda monitors mixture control adn teh second monitors the pre-cat efficiency....and the setup they have fitted hasn't got a pre cat!

I suspect the silly buggers have

1) Fitted a setup for a 2.0 16V which is wrong

2) Fitted it badly

3) Totaly over charged you as for 400 quid it should be genuine!


What had failed on the old cat setup, the flexi joint?

[marko2002]

haha, Robum Blind Ltd, nearly right it was Budget but everyone can make mistakes once right? (not referring to those usless *****, more referring to me cause it certainly won't happen again!) - failure of the old system was over a (minor) speed bump at 0mph it hit the (sorry for my inability to quote the correct bits) meshy bit of the cat.   The joker at Budget quoted me £500 for the "proper" exhaust but I think you've just confirmed my original feeling of getting ripped off big time here!.

The exhaust they fitted has a cat underneath where the old one had one but doesn't have what appeared to be the first cat coming down from near the manifold section if this helps determine what system they fitted for me.

[Marks DTM Calib]

haha, Robum Blind Ltd, nearly right it was Budget but everyone can make mistakes once right? (not referring to those usless *****, more referring to me cause it certainly won't happen again!) - failure of the old system was over a (minor) speed bump at 0mph it hit the (sorry for my inability to quote the correct bits) meshy bit of the cat.   The joker at Budget quoted me £500 for the "proper" exhaust but I think you've just confirmed my original feeling of getting ripped off big time here!.

The exhaust they fitted has a cat underneath where the old one had one but doesn't have what appeared to be the first cat coming down from near the manifold section if this helps determine what system they fitted for me.

The 'meshy' part is the flexi joint, they cost about 25 quid and take about an hour to fit.

They have fitted the wrong system, its off a 2.0 not a 2.2 ...

[marko2002]

seriously?! that part can be replaced? cause that's exactly the opposite of what the clown at budget said!! Think I might be taking a baseball bat with me tomorrow and rearrange this guys way of thinking!!!

[Marks DTM Calib]

Yup, easy enough to get hold of.....can even get them on ebay!

[marko2002]

Would you reckon a Vauxhall dealer could confirm that also or do you think they would shy away from the subject?

[Marks DTM Calib]

They would confirm the part is wrong, that I am certain of but, I suspect they may sudgest full replacement, depends how clued up they are.

Heres the correct pattern part:

https://sslrelay.com/buypartsby.co.uk/cat_details.php?recordID=1856

Here are some flexi joint repair sections:

http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=exhaust+flexi

[achoo81]

Go and see your local Vx parts person and ask him/her if they will give you a print out of the part and part number, if they do go round to Budget ,wait till there are a lot of people waiting then go in find the tosser and show him the print out tell him he's spun you a load of bull then demand they fit a new genuine Vx system to your car,if he gets ante tell him you are now going to make a complaint to their head office and also going round to the local trading standards office and make a formal complaint to them. Then see what happens,if nothing does then rearrange his brain.

[marko2002]

Go and see your local Vx parts person and ask him/her if they will give you a print out of the part and part number, if they do go round to Budget ,wait till there are a lot of people waiting then go in find the tosser and show him the print out tell him he's spun you a load of bull then demand they fit a new genuine Vx system to your car,if he gets ante tell him you are now going to make a complaint to their head office and also going round to the local trading standards office and make a formal complaint to them. Then see what happens,if nothing does then rearrange his brain.

Strangely enough, I've only just finished having much the same conversation with my wife!!! Thanks for the tips guys, definately will get some kind of result tomorrow and thanks for the pics Calib definately what I remember being on the car originally

[marko2002]

OK, so phoned VX and was quoted £650 + fitting for the original part with x2 cats so after picking myself up off the floor I returned to Budget and explained that the car wasn't right with the exhaust they fitted.   They inspected it and explained although they couldn't see any problems with the fitting and they would, as a precaution, order another exhaust just in case.   When I asked about the "other" exhaust at £500 they couldn't source it and the guy I had dealt with on Saturday wasn't in today.   Whilst on the phone to their suppliers the guy asked about the x2 cats and apparently the supplier explained that the part supplied IS the correct 'alternative' to the original, it's simply that they don't need x2 cats and that it wouldn't make a difference to the lambda sensors whatsoever.

They have apparently been supplying these exhaust's without any problem for a while now although I'm obviously still highly doubtful as to the authenticity of their claims so I'm returning tomorrow to have the other new exhaust fitted and failing that I'll see the guy I dealt with on Saturday and if he is able to source and fit the other exhaust with the x2 cats on it for another £100 then I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get them to do it.  It's either that, or pay £650 + fitting to VX (best guess is that it would probably work out at around £800!).

Obivously, at the end of the day it's up to Budget to sort the problem now and until they do I'll be the their worst nightmare, day in day out.

Will keep you informed of the progress guys, thanks.
Marko

[davlad22]

God, I hate these 'fast fit' places with a passion! They're in it to make a quick buck and curtains to the customer that needs a repair sharpish! Tyres, exhausts, brakes, just bosh a new one on eh! They don't like repairing hence probably why they didn't reach for the book with the flexi's, it's easier, faster, and more profitable for them to sell you a new part......and STILL, alot of highstreet garages don't have information and specs for facelift omegas  :-/

Anyway, hopefully they will get things sorted for you mate. It's highly depressing hanging around those places and arguing for hours on end! Most of them realise that it's not favourable to receive bad press these days!

I A M N O T B I T T E R  

[Marks DTM Calib]

OK, so phoned VX and was quoted £650 + fitting for the original part with x2 cats so after picking myself up off the floor I returned to Budget and explained that the car wasn't right with the exhaust they fitted.   They inspected it and explained although they couldn't see any problems with the fitting and they would, as a precaution, order another exhaust just in case.   When I asked about the "other" exhaust at £500 they couldn't source it and the guy I had dealt with on Saturday wasn't in today.   Whilst on the phone to their suppliers the guy asked about the x2 cats and apparently the supplier explained that the part supplied IS the correct 'alternative' to the original, it's simply that they don't need x2 cats and that it wouldn't make a difference to the lambda sensors whatsoever.

They have apparently been supplying these exhaust's without any problem for a while now although I'm obviously still highly doubtful as to the authenticity of their claims so I'm returning tomorrow to have the other new exhaust fitted and failing that I'll see the guy I dealt with on Saturday and if he is able to source and fit the other exhaust with the x2 cats on it for another £100 then I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get them to do it.  It's either that, or pay £650 + fitting to VX (best guess is that it would probably work out at around £800!).

Obivously, at the end of the day it's up to Budget to sort the problem now and until they do I'll be the their worst nightmare, day in day out.

Will keep you informed of the progress guys, thanks.
Marko

Right, heres the technical bit.

The 2.2 has 2 cats and two O2 sensors.

The first sensor appear in the main down pipe and used to control the engine mixture by going, rich/weak etc as per the info elsewhere on this site (think its in FAQ).

Next, you have the pre-cat following which you have another sensor which monitors the cat efficiency, next you have the main cat.

I am interested to know ehere these poor quality apttern items have these two O2 sensors fitted.

I also strongly suspect the statement

 

We have been supplying these exhaust's without any problem for a while now although

might be the case, I supect they ahev never done one on a 2.2 Omega with twin cat setup.

I would ask for your old front pipe setup back and take it away, get it repaired, insist on a refund and get somebody else to fit the repaired item back on..........if they no longer have what is effectively your property, then they would need to replace like for like.....i.e. Genuine!

[marko2002]

gimmi 10-20 minutes guys and I'll post up a few pics of the exhaust currently on the car ... going round the Budget at 12pm today to have this "new" exhaust fitted again but any ammo I can also take with me appreciated!.  
Marko

[marko2002]

OK, here's the best pic  could get from the engine bay ... this is obviously the first sensor in the system and from there the exhaust runs down to meet the cat and there is then another sensor behind it!.
I removed the second pic cause it showed nothing other than the flexi hose! (DUH!)