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[Andy B]

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While I was answering you my wife said "Yes, you are bone idol " Wonen!!!! They just don't understand

It's funny how they seem to have such a low opinion of us!    

[splott]

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While I was answering you my wife said "Yes, you are bone idol " Wonen!!!! They just don't understand

It's funny how they seem to have such a low opinion of us!    

Think it might be because I asked here to make me a coffee when she has finished the dishes

[HerefordElite]

i got my wishbones at £30 each for delphi with the vat
at trade discount and extra discount knocked off lol not saying how
lol

so that means I'm paying £100 for fitting. I'm happy with that after reading the probs the other guys have had

no REAL probs just usual old rusty car issues trying to undo 11year old bolts

plus it was snowing when i did mine - slowed me down a bit

[splott]

i got my wishbones at £30 each for delphi with the vat
at trade discount and extra discount knocked off lol not saying how
lol

so that means I'm paying £100 for fitting. I'm happy with that after reading the probs the other guys have had

no REAL probs just usual old rusty car issues trying to undo 11year old bolts

plus it was snowing when i did mine - slowed me down a bit

Yes, but you Herford guys are tuff with all that snow and stuff. Might attempt it if the sun was guarenteed for a few days.

[HerefordElite]

i got my wishbones at £30 each for delphi with the vat
at trade discount and extra discount knocked off lol not saying how
lol

so that means I'm paying £100 for fitting. I'm happy with that after reading the probs the other guys have had

no REAL probs just usual old rusty car issues trying to undo 11year old bolts

plus it was snowing when i did mine - slowed me down a bit

Yes, but you Herford guys are tuff with all that snow and stuff. Might attempt it if the sun was guarenteed for a few days.

i'm not one of 'those' Hereford guys  

even tougher

[markomega25]

I read up lots about doing wishbones before i did mine, getting the ball joint pinch bolt off and re-locating the rear wishbone mounting bolt seem to be the usual problems. As does the fact that both the wishbone bold heads and nuts are both 21mm (who of us diy'ers has two 21mm sockets?)

I used a smear of copper grease on the inner surface of the subframe mountings and a little bit on the rear bearing steel insert, made it easy to line up, especially if you used the bolt inserted from underneath and whacked it in with a hammer first to line up the joint (you are replacing the bolts anyhow aren't you!!)

Pinch bolt was my problem, had to take the brake calliper and calliper mounting off first to get an 18mm socket on it squarely, easy enough to do, but annoying delay.

And a 13/16th AF socket fits better than a metric one on the 21mm main bolts anyhow  

Mine took me 3 months to do! is that a record?

[alexandjen]

I read up lots about doing wishbones before i did mine, getting the ball joint pinch bolt off and re-locating the rear wishbone mounting bolt seem to be the usual problems. As does the fact that both the wishbone bold heads and nuts are both 21mm (who of us diy'ers has two 21mm sockets?)

I used a smear of copper grease on the inner surface of the subframe mountings and a little bit on the rear bearing steel insert, made it easy to line up, especially if you used the bolt inserted from underneath and whacked it in with a hammer first to line up the joint (you are replacing the bolts anyhow aren't you!!)

Pinch bolt was my problem, had to take the brake calliper and calliper mounting off first to get an 18mm socket on it squarely, easy enough to do, but annoying delay.

And a 13/16th AF socket fits better than a metric one on the 21mm main bolts anyhow  

Mine took me 3 months to do! is that a record?

Got to do mine soon, would appreciate a list of tools required so I don't get caught out

[Marks DTM Calib]

I read up lots about doing wishbones before i did mine, getting the ball joint pinch bolt off and re-locating the rear wishbone mounting bolt seem to be the usual problems. As does the fact that both the wishbone bold heads and nuts are both 21mm (who of us diy'ers has two 21mm sockets?)

I used a smear of copper grease on the inner surface of the subframe mountings and a little bit on the rear bearing steel insert, made it easy to line up, especially if you used the bolt inserted from underneath and whacked it in with a hammer first to line up the joint (you are replacing the bolts anyhow aren't you!!)

Pinch bolt was my problem, had to take the brake calliper and calliper mounting off first to get an 18mm socket on it squarely, easy enough to do, but annoying delay.

And a 13/16th AF socket fits better than a metric one on the 21mm main bolts anyhow  

Mine took me 3 months to do! is that a record?

Most do and dont know it.....think the older large spark plugs  

[alexandjen]

I read up lots about doing wishbones before i did mine, getting the ball joint pinch bolt off and re-locating the rear wishbone mounting bolt seem to be the usual problems. As does the fact that both the wishbone bold heads and nuts are both 21mm (who of us diy'ers has two 21mm sockets?)

I used a smear of copper grease on the inner surface of the subframe mountings and a little bit on the rear bearing steel insert, made it easy to line up, especially if you used the bolt inserted from underneath and whacked it in with a hammer first to line up the joint (you are replacing the bolts anyhow aren't you!!)

Pinch bolt was my problem, had to take the brake calliper and calliper mounting off first to get an 18mm socket on it squarely, easy enough to do, but annoying delay.

And a 13/16th AF socket fits better than a metric one on the 21mm main bolts anyhow  

Mine took me 3 months to do! is that a record?

Most do and dont know it.....think the older large spark plugs  

Really, thats interesting, will have a rummage through the toolbox later

[feeutfo]

Just got a quote to do the the wish bone bushes etc £157.00. Cheap?  :-/ Got to better than 5 hours fighting a king pin

£19 for bushes(thanks to iggy21) , some postage(£4iirc), and a phew beers for Mr DTM(in the process of sorting that). With help from ians to bring the pressed wishbones back from Newent. The mighty oof at work, cant beat it.
I have my old wishbones here if anybody want to press some new bushes into them and have them ready to fit to the car.

[ians]

I read up lots about doing wishbones before i did mine, getting the ball joint pinch bolt off and re-locating the rear wishbone mounting bolt seem to be the usual problems. As does the fact that both the wishbone bold heads and nuts are both 21mm (who of us diy'ers has two 21mm sockets?)

I used a smear of copper grease on the inner surface of the subframe mountings and a little bit on the rear bearing steel insert, made it easy to line up, especially if you used the bolt inserted from underneath and whacked it in with a hammer first to line up the joint (you are replacing the bolts anyhow aren't you!!)

Pinch bolt was my problem, had to take the brake calliper and calliper mounting off first to get an 18mm socket on it squarely, easy enough to do, but annoying delay.

And a 13/16th AF socket fits better than a metric one on the 21mm main bolts anyhow  

Mine took me 3 months to do! is that a record?

Got to do mine soon, would appreciate a list of tools required so I don't get caught out

The pinch bolt nut is 18mm which many socket sets don't have.  I would recommend a hardened (black) socket as I managed to split my normal one (Halfords replaced it no quibbles ) the first time I did a wb.

The wishbone comes out and goes in much easier if its horizontal - which means getting the hub gubbins out of the way - hence discussion on spring compressors, removing the caliper (improves access to the pinch bolt too) and jacking on the hub.

[feeutfo]

I read up lots about doing wishbones before i did mine, getting the ball joint pinch bolt off and re-locating the rear wishbone mounting bolt seem to be the usual problems. As does the fact that both the wishbone bold heads and nuts are both 21mm (who of us diy'ers has two 21mm sockets?)

I used a smear of copper grease on the inner surface of the subframe mountings and a little bit on the rear bearing steel insert, made it easy to line up, especially if you used the bolt inserted from underneath and whacked it in with a hammer first to line up the joint (you are replacing the bolts anyhow aren't you!!)

Pinch bolt was my problem, had to take the brake calliper and calliper mounting off first to get an 18mm socket on it squarely, easy enough to do, but annoying delay.

And a 13/16th AF socket fits better than a metric one on the 21mm main bolts anyhow  

Mine took me 3 months to do! is that a record?

Got to do mine soon, would appreciate a list of tools required so I don't get caught out

The pinch bolt nut is 18mm which many socket sets don't have.  I would recommend a hardened (black) socket as I managed to split my normal one (Halfords replaced it no quibbles ) the first time I did a wb.

The wishbone comes out and goes in much easier if its horizontal - which means getting the hub gubbins out of the way - hence discussion on spring compressors, removing the caliper (improves access to the pinch bolt too) and jacking on the hub.

From memory and in no particular order,
Torque wrench with 120nm range. But one with a short handle would be handy if there is such a thing.
2  21mm sockets (or 1 socket and 1 spanner.)for bush bolts.
18 mil socket and spanner for pinch bolt(cant remember if pinch bolt and nut are the same size.) i did not remove the hub and caliper so did not use any tools for them.
A hammer and wedge head cold chisel to spread
The ball joint/king pin clamp.
Penetrating oil, plus gas or wd 40.
A long  punch to reach the king pin and belt it out from the top while jacked from the bottom to hold the wishbone up.

[feeutfo]

oh, and been meaning to ask, how tight do vx do up the wishbone bolts at the factory?
Because if mine where 120nm then im the pope!
They where more like 20 or 30nm. Very easy to undo, so i wonder if the car is on its second set and they where not done up tight enough by the fitter?
Its only done 70k. The wishbones had  AA painted on them.  

[Marks DTM Calib]

The best method I find (personaly) for splitting the ball joint is to:

1) Treat with a good penetrant (and WD40 is crap at this!)

2) Tap a small chisel into the hub pinch point to spread it slightly (dont go over the top!)

3) Apply a long lever to the base of the hub pinch point which levers against the end of the wishbone/ball joint assembly.

4) Strike the lever with a heavy hammer close to the ball joint to free the assembly.

5) Now use a long 1/2 inch extension (or other suitable drift) parralel to the strutt (feed it through the maze of pipes and wires so it touches the end of the wishbone/ball joint casting) to tap the ball joint the final 10-15mm out (it takes very little effort at this point, if its still tight repeat the lever trick)

[Marks DTM Calib]

Ball joint pinch bolt should be 100Nm