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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #15 on: 19 November 2007, 21:25:46 »

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Jaime - no, it didn't have that flat spot after we corrected the timing initially.

I've had the flat spot for about three weeks - I just wonder....

I'm thinking possibly, car conked out and shuddered just to lack of fuel (hence engine sounding awful when it died)

And the cambelt slip was maybe unrelated, just very lucky that I detected it before total failure?

You should see the top idler, it was in a BAD way!!!
But you said it was 4 teeth out. You would know about that.
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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #16 on: 19 November 2007, 21:38:45 »

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Kevin - depending on the bolt spacing on the auxiliary part of the pulley, I have a fantastic tool made for me by sassanach, it may just help you out....

Well, I'd say by looking at it that the holes are on a smaller diameter than the Omega's - and there are only 4 of them. I'll go and have a measure.

The other two options, as far as I can see, are to throw it all back together, pack it off to a garage and stump up for it or get myself a compressor and a windy wrench. Anyone have any opinions on whether that'd sort it? It's going to cost the same order of magnitude either way, but with one option I get a free compressor and windy wrench.  ;)

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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #17 on: 19 November 2007, 21:57:20 »

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Jaime - no, it didn't have that flat spot after we corrected the timing initially.

I've had the flat spot for about three weeks - I just wonder....

I'm thinking possibly, car conked out and shuddered just to lack of fuel (hence engine sounding awful when it died)

And the cambelt slip was maybe unrelated, just very lucky that I detected it before total failure?

You should see the top idler, it was in a BAD way!!!
But you said it was 4 teeth out. You would know about that.

It could have been three teeth. It was dark, I was worried....
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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #18 on: 20 November 2007, 00:01:58 »

Great news James, and Kev the method I have used on pulleys (used on a Rootes 1600) was socket on bolt, bar on chassis and use starter motor
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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #19 on: 20 November 2007, 09:22:24 »

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Great news James, and Kev the method I have used on pulleys (used on a Rootes 1600) was socket on bolt, bar on chassis and use starter motor

I tried this yesterday. Bar went "clunk". One dent in my garage floor, but bolt still stuck fast.  >:(

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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #20 on: 20 November 2007, 10:06:09 »

Thats is good luck.... :y

In future.....check the bleeding obvious (fuel!) and report the exact findings (exact number of teeth out!)......the advice given is based on the information given.
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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #21 on: 20 November 2007, 10:07:49 »

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Great news James, and Kev the method I have used on pulleys (used on a Rootes 1600) was socket on bolt, bar on chassis and use starter motor

I tried this yesterday. Bar went "clunk". One dent in my garage floor, but bolt still stuck fast.  >:(

Kevin

You wont shift that bolt without a 3 foot bar and the crank locked, there dam tight but then they need to be.....have you tried warming up the pulley assembly and then tapping it at 12, 6, 9 and 3 Oclock positions in order to get it off the cam belt sprocket.
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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #22 on: 20 November 2007, 10:18:19 »

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You wont shift that bolt without a 3 foot bar and the crank locked, there dam tight but then they need to be.....have you tried warming up the pulley assembly and then tapping it at 12, 6, 9 and 3 Oclock positions in order to get it off the cam belt sprocket.

Yep. Have tried that, but have read reports that the main bolt needs to come out before it will separate, or at least it needs to come out to do the cam belt. Can't quite see the point of that :-/ Could be internet mis-information, of course.

Anyway, It's had another dousing in plus gas.

Locking the crank is key to getting it off, I think. I have applied a lot of torque to it with the transmission   holding it but you can only apply smooth torque like this due to the transmission winding up. Guess I need to find a way of locking it, although I can't get to the bell housing let alone find somewhere to lock the flywheel. Guess it's inlet manifold off, starter motor off :-/

Any point in trying a reasonably priced impact wrench, do you reckon?

Kevin
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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #23 on: 20 November 2007, 10:21:18 »

No....can you make a long bar to bolt to the cambelt pulley?
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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #24 on: 20 November 2007, 10:49:20 »

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No....can you make a long bar to bolt to the cambelt pulley?

I doubt I could fabricate anything that'd take the kind of torque I've been giving it, tbh. If the aux. pulley would come off there's a chance I could make a short bracket that would lock it against a nearby bolt on the engine, under tension, but I have not got any metal substantial enough to make anything else, I fear.

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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #25 on: 20 November 2007, 15:24:35 »

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Thats is good luck.... :y

In future.....check the bleeding obvious (fuel!) and report the exact findings (exact number of teeth out!)......the advice given is based on the information given.

Cheers Mark,

MID reported 30 miles, so I didn't initially think about fuel  :-[ :-[

I still think i've probably grazed a couple of valves though, I will compression test again, but It may still benefit from a rebuild (in the summer!) ?
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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #26 on: 20 November 2007, 15:29:00 »

So, what's the final theory, then? Timing slipped a little while ago and caused the flat spot. The pulley bearing finally started complaining verbally as you were pulling up the driveway and, by coincidence, you ran out of fuel at exactly that moment?

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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #27 on: 20 November 2007, 15:35:01 »

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So, what's the final theory, then? Timing slipped a little while ago and caused the flat spot. The pulley bearing finally started complaining verbally as you were pulling up the driveway and, by coincidence, you ran out of fuel at exactly that moment?

Kevin


Sounds like it..... ;D
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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #28 on: 20 November 2007, 15:37:01 »

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Thats is good luck.... :y

In future.....check the bleeding obvious (fuel!) and report the exact findings (exact number of teeth out!)......the advice given is based on the information given.

Cheers Mark,

MID reported 30 miles, so I didn't initially think about fuel  :-[ :-[

I still think i've probably grazed a couple of valves though, I will compression test again, but It may still benefit from a rebuild (in the summer!) ?

 Bah. Stick a V8 in it. :y
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Re: The cambelt slip - conclusion
« Reply #29 on: 20 November 2007, 15:39:06 »

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Thats is good luck.... :y

In future.....check the bleeding obvious (fuel!) and report the exact findings (exact number of teeth out!)......the advice given is based on the information given.

Cheers Mark,

MID reported 30 miles, so I didn't initially think about fuel  :-[ :-[

I still think i've probably grazed a couple of valves though, I will compression test again, but It may still benefit from a rebuild (in the summer!) ?

A vac test would prove interesting.
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