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Re: Diesel Vs Petrol Omegas
« Reply #30 on: 28 April 2009, 08:43:27 »

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I  know im biased cause i hate the rather V6!! BEcause of years and years with the straight six 24v , BUT
The diesel mig is a hell of a tool really and a chipped one has around 325torques which is what gets you going yes i admit  it isnt a racing car but its plenty fast enough to drive clear across Spain in 10hours!!
bit i digress, where the diesel scores for me is the following
MPG always averages high 40,s and often more with a bit of care!
servicing yes i know 3.5k oil changes are a pain for high milers but they only take ten mins to do,  ;D
and you dont have to change the rubberbelt (kevlar reinforced but still break or the tensioner lets go)
air filter and fuel filter once a year and thats it!
no plugs to change, ;D no camcover leaks ;D no dis pack letting you down ;D no cranksensor dying at inopportune moments,  ;Dno cam sensor deciding it dont want to work anymore ;D no oil cooler filling the cooling system with mayonaise ;D and so on and so on, I know a lot of you love your V6,s  but its just so high maintenance for what it is?!!
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Shite viscous fan, and the pointless viscous fan, not forgettign that stupid viscous fan.

That aside, very weak waterpump, awkward glow plugs, problematic stats, cooling system that sludges the rad up, lift pump issues, code 64 FIP issues, rather heavy lump making the car handle very 'pointy'. Oh, and did I mention that rather viscous fan!


All that said, I miss Project TB2/Tractor  :'(

LOLOL never having a oroblem with my viscous on any of the 3 i have had so cant coment,
weak water pumps? change it to a metal one and job done and it takes around 30mins to do, how long on a V6? ;D
Glow plugs? hmm done them on two of the three but not a bad job really and its only once in around 100k,
lift pump is a known issue but its only a modified petrol pump and reasonably easily sorted or rebuilt as a few have done,
yes its heavy lump but you dont really notice it till your pushing it really hard,
in short i reckon 90percent of all probs with the lump come from incorrect servicing in dealers who didnt know what they were supposed to do when the engine was forst introduced, as you have said once sorted they kind of grow on you :y


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Re: Diesel Vs Petrol Omegas
« Reply #31 on: 28 April 2009, 09:13:58 »

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....previosly i was a rover man having a 620TI wich was amazing anyone who knows about theese cars will know what im talking about ....i still curently have a J reg 820 turbo mk1 (gettin rare now)
i had a 620ti..what a sleeper..only slightly behind subaru/evo performance...i also had a mk1 827 vitesse  :y
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Re: Diesel Vs Petrol Omegas
« Reply #32 on: 28 April 2009, 14:34:58 »

Got to agree with Omegatoy ..........

I reckon Vx's crazy service intervals have been the downfall of many a tractor in later life.
Mine gets an engine oil/filter-change religiously every 2.5k miles, mainly due to Mrs Sethsmate's shortish journeys. It gets a good long blast every week or so, and being chipped, absolutely 'sings' on the motorway. Returns a proven 33mpg around the valleys, and we're quite happy with this - there you have it, fellow OOFers!
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« Reply #33 on: 28 April 2009, 19:18:33 »

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I  know im biased cause i hate the rather V6!! BEcause of years and years with the straight six 24v , BUT
The diesel mig is a hell of a tool really and a chipped one has around 325torques which is what gets you going yes i admit  it isnt a racing car but its plenty fast enough to drive clear across Spain in 10hours!!
bit i digress, where the diesel scores for me is the following
MPG always averages high 40,s and often more with a bit of care!
servicing yes i know 3.5k oil changes are a pain for high milers but they only take ten mins to do,  ;D
and you dont have to change the rubberbelt (kevlar reinforced but still break or the tensioner lets go)
air filter and fuel filter once a year and thats it!
no plugs to change, ;D no camcover leaks ;D no dis pack letting you down ;D no cranksensor dying at inopportune moments,  ;Dno cam sensor deciding it dont want to work anymore ;D no oil cooler filling the cooling system with mayonaise ;D and so on and so on, I know a lot of you love your V6,s  but its just so high maintenance for what it is?!!
JM2PW :y
Shite viscous fan, and the pointless viscous fan, not forgettign that stupid viscous fan.

That aside, very weak waterpump, awkward glow plugs, problematic stats, cooling system that sludges the rad up, lift pump issues, code 64 FIP issues, rather heavy lump making the car handle very 'pointy'. Oh, and did I mention that rather viscous fan!


All that said, I miss Project TB2/Tractor  :'(

LOLOL never having a oroblem with my viscous on any of the 3 i have had so cant coment,
weak water pumps? change it to a metal one and job done and it takes around 30mins to do, how long on a V6? ;D
Glow plugs? hmm done them on two of the three but not a bad job really and its only once in around 100k,
lift pump is a known issue but its only a modified petrol pump and reasonably easily sorted or rebuilt as a few have done,
yes its heavy lump but you dont really notice it till your pushing it really hard,
in short i reckon 90percent of all probs with the lump come from incorrect servicing in dealers who didnt know what they were supposed to do when the engine was forst introduced, as you have said once sorted they kind of grow on you :y


Just showing that all engines have their little weaknesses.

Oh, and for info, a v6 pump can be done in under an hour, and that includes changing the cambelt kit, aux belt, and aux tensioners ;)

First waterpump I did on tractor must have taken around 3hrs, due to that rather viscous being a pig.

As to the weight, when was my tractor not driven hard ::)  :-X
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Re: Diesel Vs Petrol Omegas
« Reply #34 on: 28 April 2009, 19:19:23 »

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Got to agree with Omegatoy ..........

I reckon Vx's crazy service intervals have been the downfall of many a tractor in later life.
Mine gets an engine oil/filter-change religiously every 2.5k miles, mainly due to Mrs Sethsmate's shortish journeys. It gets a good long blast every week or so, and being chipped, absolutely 'sings' on the motorway. Returns a proven 33mpg around the valleys, and we're quite happy with this - there you have it, fellow OOFers!
The really crazy intervals were never introduce on the 2.5TD, initially 4.5k max, later extended to 7.5k max.
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Re: Diesel Vs Petrol Omegas
« Reply #35 on: 28 April 2009, 20:18:44 »

in my case hearing a diesel rattling at trafic lights is more than enough to never want to own one.  I undersand that there are people who do great mileages and HAVE to run one due to financial reasons. But if you don't HAVE to why would you WANT to? :-/
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« Reply #36 on: 28 April 2009, 20:25:51 »

Sounds an old fasioned view of a diesel .....maybe im lucky but i can hardly hear mine when its warm ...its runs on home made Bio too ...now you really will think im bonkers ,but that aside saves me £200 a month never had any problems ....
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Re: Diesel Vs Petrol Omegas
« Reply #37 on: 28 April 2009, 20:30:25 »

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in my case hearing a diesel rattling at trafic lights is more than enough to never want to own one.  I undersand that there are people who do great mileages and HAVE to run one due to financial reasons. But if you don't HAVE to why would you WANT to? :-/
I miss my TD.  The 3.0 v6 is way quicker, but both Omegas were equal fun in their own way.
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« Reply #38 on: 28 April 2009, 21:06:15 »

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can hardly hear mine when its warm

Crucial word: WARM. Unless you have aditional parking heater (eg:http://www.webasto.co.uk/am/en/am_automobile_3177.html) its unlikely to be warm ALL the time.
For the last year or so I have driven a number of times Citroen C5 estate with 2.0 HDi (136ps). The car is now 2yo. The engine is regarded as one of the smoothest, quietest diesels around. Sorry but doesnt even come close to 12yo Omega V6. Mercedes C220 CDI (5-6yo) likewise.

TB: I have driven a diesel car in the past that was a lot of fun too. The whole car shook when idleing - but was still fun, DESPITE being diesel.

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saves me £200 a month
- I would say that's good reason for running a diesel, but as I said in previous post, if it is only a matter of choice - make mine a petrol V6 any time :y.
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Re: Diesel Vs Petrol Omegas
« Reply #39 on: 28 April 2009, 21:08:39 »

Hadn't dawned on me that the straight six was quiet for a tractor until it was on the lift at a local exhaust specialist.
The chap was stood with the front wheel at ear level and the engine running when he stopped what he was doing and with a puzzled look on his face, asked if it was a diesel.  
He was really surprised how quiet it was.

I say "was" because with the under engine guard removed it reflects the diesel rattle off the road and when cold it definately sounds like a tractor.  
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« Reply #40 on: 28 April 2009, 21:11:43 »

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in my case hearing a diesel rattling at trafic lights is more than enough to never want to own one.  I undersand that there are people who do great mileages and HAVE to run one due to financial reasons. But if you don't HAVE to why would you WANT to? :-/

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« Reply #41 on: 28 April 2009, 21:28:06 »

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T.O.R.Q.U.E.  and loads of it too!!!

For as long as you keep it between 1800 and 4000rpm. If you drop below/hit over all the power is gone...
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« Reply #42 on: 28 April 2009, 21:32:38 »

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T.O.R.Q.U.E.  and loads of it too!!!

For as long as you keep it between 1800 and 4000rpm. If you drop below/hit over all the power is gone...

or to put it another way...a useable range.  ;)
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« Reply #43 on: 28 April 2009, 21:37:25 »

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T.O.R.Q.U.E.  and loads of it too!!!

For as long as you keep it between 1800 and 4000rpm. If you drop below/hit over all the power is gone...


yep although the figures are slightly better than that on mine, in fact on most that are chipped, however along with the torque comes economy and fun!!  and a lot less maintenance as stated!
each to thier own tho,  I just dont like the V6 but i love the omega!! :y

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Re: Diesel Vs Petrol Omegas
« Reply #44 on: 28 April 2009, 21:40:24 »

i love my v6 but am really really considering a Td next - how do they compare to modern diesels? i just love the torque on our company passat, the fact that you can really shift without to much effort is what is swaying me - torque on v6 seems to be somewhat lacking :-/
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