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Chris Gixers rear bushes!
« on: 01 April 2009, 21:56:53 »

We need to discuss your rear donut bushes and lively back end!
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« Reply #1 on: 02 April 2009, 03:14:21 »

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3.2s dont run well on locust juice.
 Mine does tap a little bit its mostly gone by the time its warm.

If its in time with engine revs when warm i wonder if a cam cap bolt is loose? But wait for a more experienced member to advise i dont want you pulling the calm covers off on my say so, i am a bit paranoid about these thing.

We need to discuss your rear donut bushes and lively back end!

We do? I hope your sitting comfortably. Maybe i should come visit, although Kevin has my fronts at the mo ? Do you still have the special tool?
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« Reply #2 on: 02 April 2009, 10:55:37 »

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3.2s dont run well on locust juice.
 Mine does tap a little bit its mostly gone by the time its warm.

If its in time with engine revs when warm i wonder if a cam cap bolt is loose? But wait for a more experienced member to advise i dont want you pulling the calm covers off on my say so, i am a bit paranoid about these thing.

We need to discuss your rear donut bushes and lively back end!

We do? I hope your sitting comfortably. Maybe i should come visit, although Kevin has my fronts at the mo ? Do you still have the special tool?
Mark?
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Re: Hydraulic tappet noise
« Reply #3 on: 02 April 2009, 10:57:20 »

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3.2s dont run well on locust juice.
 Mine does tap a little bit its mostly gone by the time its warm.

If its in time with engine revs when warm i wonder if a cam cap bolt is loose? But wait for a more experienced member to advise i dont want you pulling the calm covers off on my say so, i am a bit paranoid about these thing.

We need to discuss your rear donut bushes and lively back end!

We do? I hope your sitting comfortably. Maybe i should come visit, although Kevin has my fronts at the mo ? Do you still have the special tool?
Mark?


Yes, the special tool has been permanently 're-homed'

I have checked my re-bushes and they have worked out to and the back end is bloody awful.

So I am going to try some different install methods nad various lubes to see which is best.

I should add, you will Not get the rear rubber bushes in fully without lube.
« Last Edit: 02 April 2009, 10:57:53 by Mark »
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Re: Chris Gixers rear bushes!
« Reply #4 on: 02 April 2009, 11:22:42 »

Ah i see, Thankyou for what is a timely intervention. I was about to spend 400 plus on a new set of tyres to help sort this out. I am certain Falken 912s are inclined to tram lining as i have Kevins Woods Dunlops on the front at the mo and the front is much better,  the back is still poor as you would expect. Although Kevin and others dont find then as bad it seems.

Must admit i havent checked the donuts recently but i havent noticed any worsening in handeling since i pushed then back in again. I will check again.

Wondered about evo stick applied and fitted wet. But unsure if it would allow enough time to install before it went off, and if it would then dry fully without contact to the air once installed and fully home. Removal would be a mare though....?
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Re: Chris Gixers rear bushes!
« Reply #5 on: 02 April 2009, 11:28:08 »

What I have found is that although the bush appears to be fully in, its not!. The top half is not fully in the cup and hence its this that pushes the bush back out again.
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« Reply #6 on: 02 April 2009, 11:50:35 »

maybe apply lube to the narrower upper part of the cup but not the lower wider portion. I noticed, as i am sure you have, the recess does not mirror the shape of the bush exactly, the last half or third of the depth is narrower hence the problem.... i guess?
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Re: Chris Gixers rear bushes!
« Reply #7 on: 02 April 2009, 11:57:58 »

Yes, and I suspect that as a result of it not being fully in, the top holf of the mount can move around in the metal housing.

Perhaps Matchless (currently reading this topic I see), can add commnt on how he lubed his bushes for install.
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Re: Chris Gixers rear bushes!
« Reply #8 on: 02 April 2009, 12:36:57 »

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... Although Kevin and others dont find then as bad it seems

Indeed not. They were bl**dy terrible the first time I drove it but I suspect the tyres have "bedded-in" to my setup now (different camber perhaps?) and having played a little on the way to work I wouldn't be disappointed with the Falkens at all now. In fact, had Chrisgixxer shelled out that £400 I might have made him an offer ;).

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Wondered about evo stick applied and fitted wet. But unsure if it would allow enough time to install before it went off, and if it would then dry fully without contact to the air once installed and fully home. Removal would be a mare though....?

How about silicone bathroom sealant or something? Slippery enough when wet, albeit unpleasant stuff to work with, and not impossible to remove again when set.

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« Reply #9 on: 02 April 2009, 12:58:51 »

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... Although Kevin and others dont find then as bad it seems

Indeed not. They were bl**dy terrible the first time I drove it but I suspect the tyres have "bedded-in" to my setup now (different camber perhaps?) and having played a little on the way to work I wouldn't be disappointed with the Falkens at all now. In fact, had Chrisgixxer shelled out that £400 I might have made him an offer ;).

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Wondered about evo stick applied and fitted wet. But unsure if it would allow enough time to install before it went off, and if it would then dry fully without contact to the air once installed and fully home. Removal would be a mare though....?

How about silicone bathroom sealant or something? Slippery enough when wet, albeit unpleasant stuff to work with, and not impossible to remove again when set.

Kevin
if an offer was made i might splash out anyway, what did you have in mind?

 i find yours better except in noise and price, although the noise only seems worse at low 30-40 speeds, strange. :-/
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Re: Chris Gixers rear bushes!
« Reply #10 on: 02 April 2009, 12:59:39 »

I dont think we will need anything that sticks, we just need to ensure that the upper tapered section gets fully home!
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Re: Chris Gixers rear bushes!
« Reply #11 on: 02 April 2009, 18:17:34 »

TB watching this thread with interest ::)
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Re: Chris Gixers rear bushes!
« Reply #12 on: 02 April 2009, 19:08:37 »

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Re: Chris Gixers rear bushes!
« Reply #13 on: 02 April 2009, 19:10:59 »

I used to use KY on windscreen rubbers because it was water based and did not rot the rubber seal.
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Re: Chris Gixers rear bushes!
« Reply #14 on: 02 April 2009, 19:15:48 »

just been out and checked, i havent removed the triangular plate but they dont appear to have moved since i last re seated them. The back edge, near the rear wheel, is about as far home/in as its likely to get but the front edge is showing a 2 or 3mil gap(also going by feel) from the under edge of the bush rim to the trailing arm. Strangley, almost exactly the same both sides.
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