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Agressive Traction Control?
« on: 12 July 2009, 08:34:06 »

Does anybody else find the t/c really frustrating? The number if times that I go to pull out of a junction and one of th erear wheels starts t ospin then the whole engine seems to be cut for what seems like ages while it gathers itself together again in the meantime leaving me feeling stranded in the middle of the wrong carridgeway! Possible a bit of an exageration but when it is happenning that is what it feels like.

I appreciate that this is probably not a 'modern' t/c but astert he system fitted to my Golf Mk4 (which is not that much newer design than the Mig) which does a quick 'slip n grab' so you keep moving I am SO tempted to run with it off until you realise that the other option is to end up with facing the wrong way on the wrong carridgeway!

What do others think / do?
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #1 on: 12 July 2009, 08:53:15 »

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I am SO tempted to run with it off until you realise that the other option is to end up with facing the wrong way on the wrong carridgeway!
That will only happen if you fail to read the road correctly.

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I personally always used to keep it switched off when we had our's, but that's because I like to be in control.

If (as you say in your first line) the TC is activating when you pull out of junctions regularly, then you either have crap tyres, crap suspension, or you are opening the taps too much (or a combination of all 3).
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #2 on: 12 July 2009, 10:22:18 »

I would suggest being a little more gentle on the loud pedal... Mine doesn't cut in often (apart from "giving it large" on the roundabouts  ::) ::)) and I frequently turn it off :y :y :y
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #3 on: 12 July 2009, 10:46:32 »

think for some reason it varies from car to car  :-/

my old saloon would cut in very quick like yours but with the caravan i drive now, you can spin the wheels a little before it cuts in  :-/

again the abs was the same .......... very sharp on the saloon but a little bit of lock up on the wheels before the abs kicks in  :-/

differant tolerances on the abs / tc unit ?

both cars are pre facelift.  :y
don't know if the newer cars have a differant system ?
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« Reply #4 on: 12 July 2009, 10:49:19 »

sounds like usual tc to me. Bit basic tbh but it has defo kept me out of the ditch in the winter. I do turn it off waiting to pull out at junctions if i think it will spin, like if raining, theory being if the inside wheels spins i will keep going forward, but if the outside wheel spins as well, better be awake. Probably why plod use an lsd. :-)
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #5 on: 12 July 2009, 10:49:20 »

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What do others think / do?

I agree with you. The TC is too much ON or OFF with nothing in between. New/better rear tyres might very well improve matters though.
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #6 on: 12 July 2009, 10:58:56 »

also has quite a bit to do with tyres and their pressure etc.

I've had varing problems with the TC but a new set of tyres really changed things. 

also check your shocks - I did have all sort of problems with the ABS cutting in.  I changes the front shocks and the ABS issue went away: when I thought about it the reason was obvious.  the new shocks were keeping the wheels in touch with the road more: hence better braking
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #7 on: 12 July 2009, 11:01:24 »

It can work both ways sometimes.

For me it either works fine, stopping the spin so I get traction, and then launches of again...

Or more often, kills the power, and just sits there.  :-X

However, in the wet, its crap (Or it was anyway) - Cant wait to try it now though, I've got 4 new tyres on it (BIG BIG thanks to Marky Mark! :y :y)
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #8 on: 12 July 2009, 12:12:19 »

I think tyres is mainly the problem, in my 2,5 with the TC off there are times I cant even get a hint of sqeal.  I also agree regards the tyre pressures and different road surfaces.  Als after a post from MDTM regrds his findings on tyre pressures on his works run I now run 24 psi all round.  Take it all into account.  tres, pressures road surface and weather.  There are days I cant get the to squeal there are also days I could win a drifting compation on 1/2 to 3/4 throttle. ::) ::) ;D ;D   Off road of course on a track.
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #9 on: 12 July 2009, 12:15:14 »

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I think tyres is mainly the problem, in my 2,5 with the TC off there are times I cant even get a hint of sqeal.  I also agree regards the tyre pressures and different road surfaces.  Als after a post from MDTM regrds his findings on tyre pressures on his works run I now run 24 psi all round.  Take it all into account.  tres, pressures road surface and weather.  There are days I cant get the to squeal there are also days I could win a drifting compation on 1/2 to 3/4 throttle. ::) ::) ;D ;D   Off road of course on a track.

Sounds a bit low to me.... I thought his findings were 35psi  :-/ :-/ :-/
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« Reply #10 on: 12 July 2009, 13:28:53 »

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I think tyres is mainly the problem, in my 2,5 with the TC off there are times I cant even get a hint of sqeal.  I also agree regards the tyre pressures and different road surfaces.  Als after a post from MDTM regrds his findings on tyre pressures on his works run I now run 24 psi all round.  Take it all into account.  tres, pressures road surface and weather.  There are days I cant get the to squeal there are also days I could win a drifting compation on 1/2 to 3/4 throttle. ::) ::) ;D ;D   Off road of course on a track.

Sounds a bit low to me.... I thought his findings were 35psi  :-/ :-/ :-/

Error on my part, typical of me not allways correcting my posts.

Should have read 34psi :y
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I think tyres is mainly the problem, in my 2,5 with the TC off there are times I cant even get a hint of sqeal.  I also agree regards the tyre pressures and different road surfaces.  Als after a post from MDTM regrds his findings on tyre pressures on his works run I now run 24 psi all round.  Take it all into account.  tres, pressures road surface and weather.  There are days I cant get the to squeal there are also days I could win a drifting compation on 1/2 to 3/4 throttle. ::) ::) ;D ;D   Off road of course on a track.

Sounds a bit low to me.... I thought his findings were 35psi  :-/ :-/ :-/

Error on my part, typical of me not allways correcting my posts.

Should have read 34psi :y

Thought so... I too have taken MDTM's findings on board :y :y :y
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #12 on: 12 July 2009, 13:42:48 »

Yes.  I found MDTM's findings rather interesting, especially has I dont do the sort of run's he does over the same roads/distance on a daily basis.

Just need to find the time to get the Tech2 gearbox upgrade to add to the driveability and fuel economy. :y
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #13 on: 12 July 2009, 14:09:05 »

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I am SO tempted to run with it off until you realise that the other option is to end up with facing the wrong way on the wrong carridgeway!
That will only happen if you fail to read the road correctly.

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What do others think / do?
I personally always used to keep it switched off when we had our's, but that's because I like to be in control.

If (as you say in your first line) the TC is activating when you pull out of junctions regularly, then you either have crap tyres, crap suspension, or you are opening the taps too much (or a combination of all 3).

Tyres arn't brilliant (good make but getting low) and the suspension is std original '53 67k so probably past its best.

What I really don't like is that it TOTALLY kills the power, rather than moderating the wheelspin. You can only do moderately quick take offs out of junctions. Its not like I am planting it but you are just left stranded.
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Re: Agressive Traction Control?
« Reply #14 on: 12 July 2009, 16:54:22 »

Are you sure its the TC that you are experiencing and not a semi-stall--I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the TC actually applies the brakes to the relevant spinning wheel?

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