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[joshwyatt]

There are two sensors, one of the front n/s and one on the rear n/s wishbone.

[alank46]

Yes it is, and to the rear as well.

I thought self leveling is connected to the front wishbones.

[VXL V6]

Yes it is, and to the rear as well.

I thought self leveling is connected to the front wishbones.

There's a third sensor for the self levelling suspension on the o/s rear.

[Selseybill]

My wife's daewoo has HID's fitted as standard.no headlight washers fitted and no self adjusting sensors just a manual roller switch on the dash.This seem to work fine in all weathers.I ask my MOT station about self adjusters and all he said some have and some don't have self adjusters and as long as these are set up right and if we have a heavy load in the boot just remember the adjust the switch to commiserate for the extra weight there is no problem.   

[Selseybill]

After looking in the wife's woo's handbook it states only "projector style headlights" can be fitted with HID bulbs and the lens must be kept clean for good working(pidgin English) of lamps still nothing on headlamp washers or self adjusting.
But then you got to the MOT website it state must have self adjusting and headlight washer fitted.So have Daewoo been importing car that are not legal or did they change the lights after getting type approved.

On other forums i had a look at regarding HID, most are like a child's playground with stupid comments unlike here But most agree HID's can only be fitted to projector type headlights and most found they have no problems with the MOT or the police using HID's bas long as they are adjusted properly.

[feeutfo]

self levelling suspension is nothing to do with the hid system. For instance self levelling suspension is fitted to Elites only. However hid lights are fitted to cdx's as well on some face lifts, or whatever. No self levelling suspension fitted on those models.

Self level suspension sensor is fitted drivers side of the diff.

Hid level sensors are fitted to drivers side front and rear suspension arms on the pass side. These operate the motors in the headlight and actuate very quickly when asked.

I would think, that without sensors on the suspension arms, the head light motors would be stuck in their lowest position as they would have no input to know what hight to set to? (This happens when a sensor brakes on a fully fitted hid system, and gives the"head light field of vision" warning on the display, the lights then default to lowest setting). If that is the case i wonder if their is enough adjustment in the headlight to give an mot pass as the lights may be permanently set too low. Unless their is a way of fixing the motor at a higher position of course?

Hids are a marked improvement over projectors. No experience of night breaker bulbs though. Hth

[cem_devecioglu]

I've done HID upgrade.. imho difference worth every effort..

[Turk]

Some very clean Hella's (std not HID'S) on Fleabay. Lenses and projectors are clear, no misting etc.
Any opinions on them ?

[joshwyatt]

I think there's always confusion between HID's, Xenon's and halogen lights.
As far as I know, HID's are just aftermarket things, some are awful, some are great. No Omega came from the factroy with HID's. They came with Xenon's. It depends what you want to do, fit Xenon headlights (i.e like the factroy put in) or aftermarket HID's? I guess if you want HID's from ebay etc etc, then no headlight washers and manual adjustment would be fine. If you want Xenon, like the faclift CDX's and Elite's you need headlight washers and levelling motors on the headlights. No car manufacturer I know of calls Xenon headlights HID's.

[Andy B]

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No Omega came from the factroy with HID's. They came with Xenon's.  ......

You've got that arse about face. And some Omegas did have HID's factory fitted. 
HID's are High Intensity Discharge and are effectively an arc struck between 2 electrode inside the lamp. Xenons are an ordinary tungston lamp gas filled with Xenon gas, same idea as a Halogen lamp 

[Entwood]

I think there's always confusion between HID's, Xenon's and halogen lights.
As far as I know, HID's are just aftermarket things, some are awful, some are great. No Omega came from the factroy with HID's. They came with Xenon's. It depends what you want to do, fit Xenon headlights (i.e like the factroy put in) or aftermarket HID's? I guess if you want HID's from ebay etc etc, then no headlight washers and manual adjustment would be fine. If you want Xenon, like the faclift CDX's and Elite's you need headlight washers and levelling motors on the headlights. No car manufacturer I know of calls Xenon headlights HID's.

Sorry mate ... way off !!!!

Okies what are HIDS/Xenons/halogens etc etc etc...

On the omega over time there have been basically 3 types of lights. First 2 are FILAMENT lights .. ie .. bulbs, they were fittd to "normal" type headlights - those with reflectors - and also to "projector" headlights .. those with the round glass ball.

Filament lights produce light by a wire glowing white hot, the hotter it gets the more light it produces .... but the wire (filament) tends to burn out ... so they fill the glass with an inert gas ... either xenon or halogen to stop the oxidisation ... hence the names .. halogens and xenons .. its the GAS they are reffering to !!

HIDs are High Intensity Discharge lights ... there are no filaments in the bulbs .. the light is produced by striking an arc .. think welding arc or lightning .. its the electricity jumping the gap that produces the initial light ... this energy then causes a gas to "flouresce" ..think strip lights .. flourescent ??    ....   the gas used is ... XENON ..

So we have xenon HIDs as well as xenon bulbs, and halogen bulbs ...

HIDs are ONLY fitted to "projector" lights and can easily be spotted by the big "high voltage" warnings on the lights .... the high voltage is needed to strike the arc.

so ...  we can have

Halogen filled bulbs in a reflector light
xenon filled bulbs in a reflector light
halogen filled bulbs in a projector light
xenon filled bulbs in a projector light
xenon filled HID Lamp in a projector light

and all have been fitted to Omegas as standard.

HTH


ps .. my miggy has xenon HIDs fitted as standard ...

[joshwyatt]

In every Vauxhall, and other car manufacturer brochure I have, there is never any mention of HID's, only Xenon's. Xenon is a noble gas, inert...when an electric current is supplied to it, it gives out the bluey, white light. Omega's have normal lights, projectors or Xenon's. I can not think of a single Omega model in official press that ever had HID's. Many people refer to Xenon's as HID's though.
I had tihs same discussion with the manager at my local Vauxhall garage, he was adament cars came with HID's. He phoned Vauxhall direct, and was told you get Halogen or Xenon's, but that HID's can be retro fitted.

[Turk]

I think there's always confusion between HID's, Xenon's and halogen lights.
As far as I know, HID's are just aftermarket things, some are awful, some are great. No Omega came from the factroy with HID's. They came with Xenon's. It depends what you want to do, fit Xenon headlights (i.e like the factroy put in) or aftermarket HID's? I guess if you want HID's from ebay etc etc, then no headlight washers and manual adjustment would be fine. If you want Xenon, like the faclift CDX's and Elite's you need headlight washers and levelling motors on the headlights. No car manufacturer I know of calls Xenon headlights HID's.

HID are High Intensity Discharge, requires a ballast pack and are a VX factory fit option.
The confusion arises because there are Xenon H1, H4 etc available, which are a direct replacement for standard bulbs. They look the same as any other H1.H4 etc. These are not HID's.

[pedroMV6]

Got retro-fitted HID's on the Carlton. No washers or levellers, and reflective (not projective) lenses.
Passed five MOT's on the bounce, because the tester says that they give a good beam pattern and as such, he has to pass them.
I'll be totally honest - the full beam isn't that great, in fact, the halogen full beam on our Omegas is much better!

I think HID burners were filled with Xenon gas - therefore I also think that HID and Xenon headlights are the same thing, whether retro-fitted or factory installed.

As I understand it, only two or three makes of the ballast packs anyway, the wiring and burner quality is the variable in quality.

[Turk]

I think there's always confusion between HID's, Xenon's and halogen lights.
As far as I know, HID's are just aftermarket things, some are awful, some are great. No Omega came from the factroy with HID's. They came with Xenon's. It depends what you want to do, fit Xenon headlights (i.e like the factroy put in) or aftermarket HID's? I guess if you want HID's from ebay etc etc, then no headlight washers and manual adjustment would be fine. If you want Xenon, like the faclift CDX's and Elite's you need headlight washers and levelling motors on the headlights. No car manufacturer I know of calls Xenon headlights HID's.

Sorry mate ... way off !!!!

Okies what are HIDS/Xenons/halogens etc etc etc...

On the omega over time there have been basically 3 types of lights. First 2 are FILAMENT lights .. ie .. bulbs, they were fittd to "normal" type headlights - those with reflectors - and also to "projector" headlights .. those with the round glass ball.

Filament lights produce light by a wire glowing white hot, the hotter it gets the more light it produces .... but the wire (filament) tends to burn out ... so they fill the glass with an inert gas ... either xenon or halogen to stop the oxidisation ... hence the names .. halogens and xenons .. its the GAS they are reffering to !!

HIDs are High Intensity Discharge lights ... there are no filaments in the bulbs .. the light is produced by striking an arc .. think welding arc or lightning .. its the electricity jumping the gap that produces the initial light ... this energy then causes a gas to "flouresce" ..think strip lights .. flourescent ??    ....   the gas used is ... XENON ..

So we have xenon HIDs as well as xenon bulbs, and halogen bulbs ...

HIDs are ONLY fitted to "projector" lights and can easily be spotted by the big "high voltage" warnings on the lights .... the high voltage is needed to strike the arc.

so ...  we can have

Halogen filled bulbs in a reflector light
xenon filled bulbs in a reflector light
halogen filled bulbs in a projector light
xenon filled bulbs in a projector light
xenon filled HID Lamp in a projector light

and all have been fitted to Omegas as standard.

HTH

Well explained but the "only fitted to projectors"  is incorrect. I have projectors with standard non-HID bulbs.