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[Entwood]

The button is NOT a lever .. it is a switch .. it sends a signal to the solenoid .. yours is sending the LOCK signal .. but NOT the UNLOCK .. so check the button out !!!

[Andy B]

.... there is no solenoid fault, it is something that tells it to deadlock when pushing the button..... .....

I think that it could very well be a solenoid/motor fault. What happens to the lock on that door when you press the fob once ie just lock the car? Is it just locking or is it deadlocking? I suspect it's deadlocking ........  :-/

Forget the fob, when I push the button down it 'deadlocks' you can not pull up the button, only the key will release it, either by pressing the open button or putting it in the door and mechanically unlocking the door.....

I understand what you're saying. But if your door deadlocks on the first press of the fob you might be able to prove that the fault lies in the solenoid/motor itself.

With the key in door are you having to use excessive force to unlock :question

Nope, this is an electrical problem, something working backwards, how do we reset the doors? 

 

[RobG]

Nope, this is an electrical problem, something working backwards, how do we reset the doors? 

Unplug the C/L ecu then re-connect :-/

[Vamps]

Nope, this is an electrical problem, something working backwards, how do we reset the doors? 

Unplug the C/L ecu then re-connect :-/

worth a try, where is this...?

[Vamps]

.... there is no solenoid fault, it is something that tells it to deadlock when pushing the button..... .....

I think that it could very well be a solenoid/motor fault. What happens to the lock on that door when you press the fob once ie just lock the car? Is it just locking or is it deadlocking? I suspect it's deadlocking ........  :-/

Forget the fob, when I push the button down it 'deadlocks' you can not pull up the button, only the key will release it, either by pressing the open button or putting it in the door and mechanically unlocking the door.....

I understand what you're saying. But if your door deadlocks on the first press of the fob you might be able to prove that the fault lies in the solenoid/motor itself.

With the key in door are you having to use excessive force to unlock :question

Nope, this is an electrical problem, something working backwards, how do we reset the doors? 

 

eh???

[RobG]

Nope, this is an electrical problem, something working backwards, how do we reset the doors? 

Unplug the C/L ecu then re-connect :-/

worth a try, where is this...?

Behind driver`s kick panel
http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/facelift_bootmod/IMG_2050.jpg

[Kevin Wood]

The driver's side manual locking button is both a switch and a mechanical connection to driver's side locking motor.

The button is directly connected to the lock mechanism itself and thus to the central locking motor.

The central locking motor contains a switch which detects the position of the locking mechanism. If this switch detects the mechanism being manually moved, it will also operate all 4 motors  via the alarm / central locking ECU so the rest of the doors follow the position of the driver's door. The driver's side locking motor will also operate although not strictly necessary.

The only way the doors can be deadlocked is by the central locking motor. This cannot happen mechanically alone.

The central locking motor has 3 positions in contrast to the locking mechanism which has two: Fully upwards, it moves the locking mechanism into the "unlocked" position. In the central position, the mechanism can be manually moved between locked and unlocked. In the bottom position, it moves the mechanism into the locked position. If it remains in this position the door cannot manually be unlocked and is deadlocked.

Normally, the central locking motor moves into the central position after locking or unlocking the car so manual operation is possible, except if the car is deadlocked where it remains in the bottom position.

So, your driver's door lock is operated manually, the switch senses this and operates the central locking motors. In order to lock the door the central locking motor is moved into the deadlocked position, and then back into the central position which allows further manual operation of the lock. Except manual operation of the lock is not possible, which means the motor remained in the deadlocked position.

So yes, you're right in that the problem is electrical because this is the only way the door can deadlock.

Having said that, it's worth sitting in the car and trying locking it with the keyfob. If my theory is right this will also deadlock it on the first press.

I suspect your problem is in the switch that is used to centralise the position of the central locking motor.

Kevin

[Andy B]

......
 If my theory is right this will also deadlock it on the first press.......

Which is what I was trying to get Mike to do ...... but apparently it's an electrical problem & nothing to do with the fob ......  :-?

[Vamps]

The driver's side manual locking button is both a switch and a mechanical connection to driver's side locking motor.

The button is directly connected to the lock mechanism itself and thus to the central locking motor.

The central locking motor contains a switch which detects the position of the locking mechanism. If this switch detects the mechanism being manually moved, it will also operate all 4 motors  via the alarm / central locking ECU so the rest of the doors follow the position of the driver's door. The driver's side locking motor will also operate although not strictly necessary.

The only way the doors can be deadlocked is by the central locking motor. This cannot happen mechanically alone.

The central locking motor has 3 positions in contrast to the locking mechanism which has two: Fully upwards, it moves the locking mechanism into the "unlocked" position. In the central position, the mechanism can be manually moved between locked and unlocked. In the bottom position, it moves the mechanism into the locked position. If it remains in this position the door cannot manually be unlocked and is deadlocked.

Normally, the central locking motor moves into the central position after locking or unlocking the car so manual operation is possible, except if the car is deadlocked where it remains in the bottom position.

So, your driver's door lock is operated manually, the switch senses this and operates the central locking motors. In order to lock the door the central locking motor is moved into the deadlocked position, and then back into the central position which allows further manual operation of the lock. Except manual operation of the lock is not possible, which means the motor remained in the deadlocked position.

So yes, you're right in that the problem is electrical because this is the only way the door can deadlock.

Having said that, it's worth sitting in the car and trying locking it with the keyfob. If my theory is right this will also deadlock it on the first press.
I suspect your problem is in the switch that is used to centralise the position of the central locking motor.

Kevin

Car only locks the car on the first push of the fob button, deadlocking on the second push, you can here it.....

[Vamps]

......
 If my theory is right this will also deadlock it on the first press.......

Which is what I was trying to get Mike to do ...... but apparently it's an electrical problem & nothing to do with the fob ......  :-?

Sorry Andy, but I can not see how it can have anything to do with the fob, need to explore this more I think.....

[Kevin Wood]

Car only locks the car on the first push of the fob button, deadlocking on the second push, you can here it.....

Yes, if it's working properly. But yours has a fault.

I (and Andy B) am trying to establish if yours deadlocks on the first press of the fob with the current fault, as this will prove it's the locking motor.

Kevin

[Digikiller]

Turn the ignition on with the keyfob, hit either the lock button then the unlock button, this resets the central locking. Remove the key and try it out of the car, not sayin it goin to fix it but no harm in trying. hope it works, at least then someone will have luck with an Omega!!! :-/

[Vamps]

Car only locks the car on the first push of the fob button, deadlocking on the second push, you can here it.....

Yes, if it's working properly. But yours has a fault.

I (and Andy B) am trying to establish if yours deadlocks on the first press of the fob with the current fault, as this will prove it's the locking motor.

Kevin

Cheers...

Fob seems to be fine, first push locks the door, second deadlocks it, you can hear the extra movement in the lock...I have not tried this with the key in the lock yet though...... :-/

[Digikiller]

 ::)i meant to say make sure when ur doin the procedure make sure the doors are closed (and ur in it of course) and its lock 1st then unlock.

[Vamps]

::)i meant to say make sure when you are doin the procedure make sure the doors are closed (and you are in it of course) and its lock 1st then unlock.

Cheers, worth a try....