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[V6 CDX-er]

 

AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!

Any tips on how to get these dam things back on?

The pin on one side of the drum went on no problem, whilst on the other it seems like it 'might' be a couple of mm too short.

I've ground down a pair of pliers, narrowing and thinning them to make access easier, rotated the hub so that I have the biggest hole to squeeze through, but everytime I finally do manage to get the dam spring fully compressed, (and it really is fully compressed), and turn it to lock the cap in place, the dam pin rotates as well.

Even pushing hard on the back of the pin with my finger doesn't bring any joy, it still rotates.

I've long since run out of swear words to use on the bloody thing. Threats of severe violence towards the pin haven't helped, and I've been trying to get the dam thing in since lunchtime.

Any tips please chaps, as I am fast running out of patience and enthusiasm 


Yours sincerely, a very frustrated and fed-up V6 CDX-er.

[Jimbob]

presume youve read

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152564750

[neilr]

when ive had problems with these i found if i used a pair of grips or g clamp to hold shoes to backplate it made getting these back on easier.

[V6 CDX-er]

presume youve read

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152564750

Yep. Printed it off and using it for referance in the garage.

[V6 CDX-er]

when ive had problems with these i found if i used a pair of grips or g clamp to hold shoes to backplate it made getting these back on easier.

I'll try that Neil.

Cheers.

[neilr]

best of luck its always worse when its cold outside. I can remember many years ago throwing the springs across the garage and then had to spend ages looking for them. not a good idea.

[mrgreen]

i sympathise with you i had the same problem on an 81 bedford van for such a small job it's certainly frustrating. i used to hold the cup with vice grips and then push like buggery you only need that little start and then your away you'll get it just a ba$$rd of a job.

EDIT: just looked at what you're up against atleast on the bedford you had access! maybe you can still get the vice grips in there sideways using the hub as a lever? worth a crack!

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Yes they are a pain, but with the right tools/expertise theyre actually quite simple (I have neither the right tools/expertise, by the way, so Im not gloating!)

I have found with the shoe clamped you can grip the 'spade' end of the pin, (i go in via the side, not the front) with suitable pliers/wire cutters.
-Open the pliers fractionally, then push against the spring/washer, whilst holding the pin in fully from the rear with your one available hand.
-Dont worry if you dont push the spring/washer back to fully expose the 'spade' end, you can grip it, thus 'locking' the assembly in place, giving you chance to stretch your fingers!
-Keep doing that, until you definitely have the full 'spade' end fully gripped.
-Now you can either use aforesaid available hand to grab another pair of pliers to grip the spring/washer firm and rotate the pin a quarter of a turn, or twist the spring/washer, keeping the pin still.

[Shackeng]

Yes they are a pain, but with the right tools/expertise theyre actually quite simple (I have neither the right tools/expertise, by the way, so Im not gloating!)

I have found with the shoe clamped you can grip the 'spade' end of the pin, (i go in via the side, not the front) with suitable pliers/wire cutters.
-Open the pliers fractionally, then push against the spring/washer, whilst holding the pin in fully from the rear with your one available hand.
-Dont worry if you dont push the spring/washer back to fully expose the 'spade' end, you can grip it, thus 'locking' the assembly in place, giving you chance to stretch your fingers!
-Keep doing that, until you definitely have the full 'spade' end fully gripped.
-Now you can either use aforesaid available hand to grab another pair of pliers to grip the spring/washer firm and rotate the pin a quarter of a turn, or twist the spring/washer, keeping the pin still.

I shall be doing mine soon, with a new set of discs/pads as well, and that is a useful tip. Thanks.

[V6 CDX-er]

i sympathise with you i had the same problem on an 81 bedford van for such a small job it's certainly frustrating. i used to hold the cup with vice grips and then push like buggery you only need that little start and then your away you'll get it just a ba$$rd of a job.

EDIT: just looked at what you're up against atleast on the bedford you had access! maybe you can still get the vice grips in there sideways using the hub as a lever? worth a crack!

After struggling with access I bought a dirt cheap pair of pliers and attacked them with the angle grinder to thin and narrow them down.

Access and room to work isn't the issue that I'm coming up against. The problem is that whenever I turn the cap to the spring, the bloody pin rotates as well. Pushing with all my strength on the head of the pin located in the backplate of the disc housing won't stop the pin turning with the cap, as there simply isn't enough 'grip' to keep the pin still.

The only way that I can see to solve this problem would be to drop a spot of weld over the head of the pin, securing it in place to the backplate. I'd have done this already, except for the fact that I don't have a MIG welder 

I agree that it is dam frustrating. it should be a two minute job to get the cap / spring / pin located and locked in place. So far I've been at it since around 12:40 this lunchtime, but to no avail.

And on that note I've admitted defeat. Got a mechanic mate of mine popping over in the morning to have a look. In his own words, "I've done thousands of these over the years. Sometimes easy, sometimes not." I've told him that there is a case of Becks in it for him if he manages to do it, so we will see.

When I did the N/S handbrake shoes I was at it untill 02:30 in the morning. I simply can't be bothered tonight, so I'm calling it a day early, and am going to have a bath, dinner with the wife, play with my daughter, and then a an hour or so playing on the computer.

Thanks for the tips guys  I'm just glad that this is a job I should only have to do just the once on this Omega.

[djac]

One thing I can't fathom - why is the head of the pin smooth and not made like the head of a crosshead screw?  :-/

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Case of becks!? HAd it been a case if guinness it'd almost pay for me to come all the way to sheffield to do the job for you!

I think we've all been there, it's a simple enough job, which makes it all the more frustrating that you're not getting it, I know.

Hope you have a pleasant evening, and once a nice shiny pin/spring/washer is in place it'll be a hundred times easier next time. Best of luck.

[JasonH]

I've just done my handbrake shoes and that was the worst part of the job.

I found I needed good light to see what was going on, and as suggested above use the pliers to grab the flat bit. Then hold on for dear life while you compress the spring with a spanner and twist the pliers 90 degrees.

[Andy B]

I know they can be a little awkward but I usually just press/push the back of the pin towards the back plate with one hand while I grip the sides of the retaining washer with pliers/molegrips head on & then twist the pliers/molegrips

[amba]

I found 2 pairs of thin nosed pliers were the best option.

Just try and grab hold of the wedged end of the pin and pull and twist.