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brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« on: 17 March 2011, 11:50:02 »

removed and replaced plenum the other day,and now the brake pedal seems stiff compared to what it was when braking...

why?
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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #1 on: 17 March 2011, 11:52:58 »

sounds like you may have an air leak betwwen plenum and servo,check all the connections and that the pipe hasn't rubbed through where it passes the aircon pipe.Is the car running ok,idle speed correct etc?
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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #2 on: 17 March 2011, 11:53:51 »

assuimng you have removed and replaced the main vac pipe from plenum to brake servo.....maybe this wasnt fully sealed before, and now youve restored the vacuum?

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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #3 on: 17 March 2011, 11:58:24 »

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sounds like you may have an air leak betwwen plenum and servo,check all the connections and that the pipe hasn't rubbed through where it passes the aircon pipe.Is the car running ok,idle speed correct etc?

the car running fine,and idling ok...what the four black pipes on top plenum as around there seems loud like it sucking air,and which way round do the two little ones go

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assuimng you have removed and replaced the main vac pipe from plenum to brake servo.....maybe this wasnt fully sealed before, and now youve restored the vacuum?

which ones that the one that screws into side of plenum?
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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #4 on: 17 March 2011, 12:00:24 »

the one that needs (iirc) 19mm and 17mm spanners to do - thickish black pipe from servo by brake resivoir to passenger side of plenum, towards the back, shoulc be clipped to aircon pipe as well to stop it chaffing.

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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #5 on: 17 March 2011, 12:03:17 »

actually, heres a couple of pics...

green outline shows the original pipe, red is a poor copy, but show the connector on the plenum better



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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #6 on: 17 March 2011, 12:29:12 »

will take it off again and have a look around..as far as know put everything back on

need to sell it so best look :) :)
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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #7 on: 17 March 2011, 13:12:22 »

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sounds like you may have an air leak betwwen plenum and servo,check all the connections and that the pipe hasn't rubbed through where it passes the aircon pipe. Is the car running ok,idle speed correct etc?

I'm surprised this has never been a recall, as its happened to others here including me..

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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #8 on: 17 March 2011, 13:15:57 »

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sounds like you may have an air leak betwwen plenum and servo,check all the connections and that the pipe hasn't rubbed through where it passes the aircon pipe. Is the car running ok,idle speed correct etc?

I'm surprised this has never been a recall, as its happened to others here including me..

No need as they are fine on leaving the factory, its only when its been fiddled with and somebody has lost the spacer that it can happen  :y
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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #9 on: 17 March 2011, 13:25:12 »

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sounds like you may have an air leak betwwen plenum and servo,check all the connections and that the pipe hasn't rubbed through where it passes the aircon pipe.Is the car running ok,idle speed correct etc?

the car running fine,and idling ok...what the four black pipes on top plenum as around there seems loud like it sucking air,and which way round do the two little ones go

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assuimng you have removed and replaced the main vac pipe from plenum to brake servo.....maybe this wasnt fully sealed before, and now youve restored the vacuum?

which ones that the one that screws into side of plenum?

This is a concern, there should be some vac noise around the centre of the plenum but, anything excessive at the rear is wrong (and would explain the issue).

Check the 4 pipes at the rear are connected correctly (there is details in the breather guide) and if ok, examine the pipes etc for damage.
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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #10 on: 17 March 2011, 13:35:37 »

thanks,looked at guide,will have a look,as said will strip it down and start again

so looking at a pipe somewhere then..

...if no go,got a big box of matches :)
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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #11 on: 17 March 2011, 14:34:42 »

Its possible the plenum hasnt reseated quite right, maybe one of the o-rings has jammed out of position allowing air to get in...as for the 4 pipes, the left hand of the middle 2 pipes runs to the furthest left of the 2 things they plug into...right to the one on the right...make sense?? I have a decent proper servo hose if you want one??
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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #12 on: 17 March 2011, 16:27:12 »

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Its possible the plenum hasnt reseated quite right, maybe one of the o-rings has jammed out of position allowing air to get in...as for the 4 pipes, the left hand of the middle 2 pipes runs to the furthest left of the 2 things they plug into...right to the one on the right...make sense?? I have a decent proper servo hose if you want one??

yeh makes sense...
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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #13 on: 25 March 2011, 22:05:10 »

finally got down to the garage today and had a look...took the top off and checked pipe work and noticed the pipe from servo to plenum got a hole in it...so got another piece of pipe to go on for now and hopefully will be problem solved....trouble is, car now in bits and someone wants to come look at it....typical...
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Re: brake pedal seems stiff after replacing plenum
« Reply #14 on: 26 March 2011, 17:13:31 »

now have brakes back,hooray,..now to get rid of it....
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