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Re: Senario
« Reply #15 on: 24 January 2008, 19:59:37 »

iam sorry your being put through this (she proberbly needs a deposit for a house or similar) Did your insurance bod say they are going to fight the claim or bottle out and settle out of court , has a court date been set .
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Re: Senario
« Reply #16 on: 24 January 2008, 20:01:20 »

Do you have legal cover? If so, there will be an advice line you should contact and I'm guessing they'll pay for legal representation.

As said, no win, no fee batsrads >:(

I would press the Police for something, too, because they're the best card you could play. Surely there's a record of who attended the scene?

What is the world coming to?

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Re: Senario
« Reply #17 on: 24 January 2008, 20:04:17 »

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iam sorry your being put through this (she proberbly needs a deposit for a house or similar) Did your insurance bod say they are going to fight the claim or bottle out and settle out of court , has a court date been set .

Thats what i was thinking, will they just settle out of court to save money,
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« Reply #18 on: 24 January 2008, 20:05:07 »

Thanks for all your responses, I am going to take some advice you all gave and see someone independantly.

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« Reply #19 on: 24 January 2008, 20:06:54 »

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iam sorry your being put through this (she proberbly needs a deposit for a house or similar) Did your insurance bod say they are going to fight the claim or bottle out and settle out of court , has a court date been set .

Thats what i was thinking, will they just settle out of court to save money,

What would be unfair about that, as i asked the solicitor that question, he said that from his experiance i would still lose the no claims.


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« Reply #20 on: 24 January 2008, 20:09:01 »

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iam sorry your being put through this (she proberbly needs a deposit for a house or similar) Did your insurance bod say they are going to fight the claim or bottle out and settle out of court , has a court date been set .

Thats what i was thinking, will they just settle out of court to save money,

What would be unfair about that, as i asked the solicitor that question, he said that from his experiance i would still lose the no claims.



Don't let them settle out of court >:(, fight the b****y case :y
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« Reply #21 on: 24 January 2008, 20:12:15 »

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iam sorry your being put through this (she proberbly needs a deposit for a house or similar) Did your insurance bod say they are going to fight the claim or bottle out and settle out of court , has a court date been set .

Thats what i was thinking, will they just settle out of court to save money,

What would be unfair about that, as i asked the solicitor that question, he said that from his experiance i would still lose the no claims.



Don't let them settle out of court >:(, fight the b****y case :y

He said they would
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Re: Senario
« Reply #22 on: 24 January 2008, 20:15:50 »

Pete, you are right to seek independant legal representation.

There are two separate and distinctly different issues here.

1. The civil action
2. The criminal liability

The girl can claim that you were negligent and that your actions caused her such damage that she is financially out of pocket. This action would take place in the County Court and is a purely civil case. There is no possibility that this court could put points on your license or give you any form of driving conviction, it is totally outside of it's jurisdiction.

The police have already said that they don't intend to take any action against you so I wouldn't worry about that unless new evidence comes to light which may make the prospect of a conviction more likely than it was over a year ago.

If you were to lose a civil action then you are covered for the damages to the girl but, as you say, you would lose your 'no claims discount' unless you have this covered.

When all is said and done, a solicitor will tell you all you need to know and will be acting on your behalf.  :)
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Re: Senario
« Reply #23 on: 24 January 2008, 20:22:10 »

i dont know if helps but this place was used by a i cabbie i know who had similar problem http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/motoringadvice.htm
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« Reply #24 on: 24 January 2008, 21:37:56 »

First off, get proper independant legal advice.  We can all pontificate to a greater or lesser degree but circumstances like these need a real solicitor, not one who gained their qualifications via a few pints in the bar and friend of a friend heresay.

Having said that, will offer my tuppenceworth as have been requested....  I can only relate to the systems that operates north of the border but no doubt there will be distinct similarities between Scots and English systems which both have Criminal law and Civil law.  

This reads like the Criminal case - the Police Involvement - started and finished at the time of the incident and fault was found to be that of the girl, nothing to the driver.  The level of proof required at this time would be 'beyond all reasonable doubt'.  A fine and/or points can only be determined within a Criminal Court.

The Civil case is now being progressed by the girl.  I have been summonsed to the Court of Session (highest civil court in Scotland) on numerous occassions, sometimes upto 6 or 7 years after the date of incident.  The level of proof required now, at this stage, is defined by 'the balance of probabilities'.  Note the distinct difference.  A civil case cannot determine a fine or points on a defendants licence so, unless there is a glaring difference between our two systems, the fine/points thing is at an end.

There will have been a police report of some form made at the time.  It should include the names of all who had a bearing on the incident including the Officers concerned, which should also including Trafpol but not always.  Force policies vary.  If not, those attending should be able to ascertain same from notebooks, call centre logs, shift rotas or simple memory.  These people are all witnesses to the case and, by the reading of your scenario, would be classed as on your side as it were....  That report is available to the Insurance company on payment of a small fee.

You pay an insurance premium.  That buys a number of things including the potential payout to the girl but not least of which are the services of the insurance companies legal team for cases such as this in order to fight the case and reduce the insurance companies potential payout.  

Sadly, a number of insurance companies will pay an out of court settlement rather than involve a team of folks to fight the matter at incredulous daily rates.

I suggest that you get the 'legal team' of the insurance company very much on your side and cause them to get a case prepared.  That specifically includes precognosing all those who attended the scene who intimate she ran into the side of your car.  

As it reads, your no claims bonus is already on a shaky nail by the very presence of this claim so, in the nicest possible way, you have nothing further to loose by pressing the matter.





    

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« Reply #25 on: 24 January 2008, 21:45:07 »

Don't get time to post much but this one struck a chord with me. Almost identical situation happened to one of my staff (in company car) 12 months back and police agreed pedestrian at fault at time. 6 months later claim from pedestrian arrived via my insurance company detailing back/neck etc etc loss earnings etc. Insurance company only interested in settlement until we pushed to get statements from police who attended and other witnesses around at time. Best bit was when we had name of claimant we got googling and found relevant facebook/myspace pages and found dated pictures of her out on town/ cycling/generally out enjoying herself when injuries were supposedly at their worst. Also statements in her blog indicated ours was one of many similar attempts. Unsurprisingly claim withdrawn but still absorbed lot of management and staff time. :(

Best of luck
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« Reply #26 on: 24 January 2008, 21:46:45 »

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First off, get proper independant legal advice.  We can all pontificate to a greater or lesser degree but circumstances like these need a real solicitor, not one who gained their qualifications via a few pints in the bar and friend of a friend heresay.

Having said that, will offer my tuppenceworth as have been requested....  I can only relate to the systems that operates north of the border but no doubt there will be distinct similarities between Scots and English systems which both have Criminal law and Civil law.  

This reads like the Criminal case - the Police Involvement - started and finished at the time of the incident and fault was found to be that of the girl, nothing to the driver.  The level of proof required at this time would be 'beyond all reasonable doubt'. A fine and/or points can only be determined within a Criminal Court.

The Civil case is now being progressed by the girl.  I have been summonsed to the Court of Session (highest civil court in Scotland) on numerous occassions, sometimes upto 6 or 7 years after the date of incident.  The level of proof required now, at this stage, is defined by 'the balance of probabilities'.  Note the distinct difference.  A civil case cannot determine a fine or points on a defendants licence so, unless there is a glaring difference between our two systems, the fine/points thing is at an end.
There will have been a police report of some form made at the time.  It should include the names of all who had a bearing on the incident including the Officers concerned, which should also including Trafpol but not always.  Force policies vary.  If not, those attending should be able to ascertain same from notebooks, call centre logs, shift rotas or simple memory.  These people are all witnesses to the case and, by the reading of your scenario, would be classed as on your side as it were....  That report is available to the Insurance company on payment of a small fee.

You pay an insurance premium.  That buys a number of things including the potential payout to the girl but not least of which are the services of the insurance companies legal team for cases such as this in order to fight the case and reduce the insurance companies potential payout.  

Sadly, a number of insurance companies will pay an out of court settlement rather than involve a team of folks to fight the matter at incredulous daily rates.

I suggest that you get the 'legal team' of the insurance company very much on your side and cause them to get a case prepared.  That specifically includes all those who attended the scene who intimate she ran into the side of your car.  

As it reads, your no claims bonus is already on a shaky nail by the very presence of this claim so, in the nicest possible way, you have nothing further to loose by pressing the matter.





    


Well thats good to know, thank you for your very informative response.

 :y :y :y
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Re: Senario
« Reply #27 on: 24 January 2008, 22:09:06 »

 :(

Bad chance!

Did the police breathelise her ?

Did the police make brake trace length measurement and schema of

accident area..

and do you have any damage pictures from your car where she hit the

door or the mirror ..

Also go through the sayings of witnesses ..

As father and mother are both lawyers from my experience I know

you need to prove your story also in the court :(
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« Reply #28 on: 24 January 2008, 23:45:36 »

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Picture this

The above is what happend to me, and the solicitor came to my home today.

If what was said to me happens i will lose ALL faith in the system and i dont think its right that i should be punished for something that clearly states, she ran into me, and if it was not for my quick response she could have gone over the bonnet, sustaining more injuries.

Wheres the justice in that.

Sorry for the length of the post but what are your thoughts.

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Call the Police and also sue him for harrasment >:(

If the Police were happy ask them to send the self abuser a statement

The solicitor was from my insurance company

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Whoops :(

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