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[bored bigyin54]

nor for me the git got what he deserved the git

[Sir Tigger KC]

I wonder if NATO will turn it's attention to Syria now they've finished in Libya? 

[Rods2]

He who lives by the sword, dies by it.

Deserved all he's has got IMHO, if your father/ brother/ son has been killed by Gadaffi's internal security service or your friends who have tried to overthrow his repressive, blood regime have died.

"Are you going to say when you meet him, good to meet you, jolly good show over the last 45 years, you killing my brother/ father / son, I can fully understand and forgive what you have done, but unfortunately for a few thoughtless misdemeanors we are going to have to put on a slightly inconvenient trial, which might be a tad inconvenient for you old boy, but I'm sure everything will be alright".

If any of my friends or family had been killed under under his rule and I have met up with him, then my AK-47 would have been a rattling and smoking. Eye for an eye, instant justice done. No chance of him getting away with it, or escaping and forming a resistance movement.

I hope the democratic forces succeed in Libya by time will tell, unfortunately when people gain power, often with good intentions, they are reluctant to relinquish it. And unfortunately "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". I think there will be consider pressure / help from the UK and maybe France and USA for the alliance to fulfill their promises.

Justice has been done IMHO and we should remember all of his victims, including all of the IRA attacks using weapons supplied by him, Pam Am flight 103 and WPC Yvonne Fletcher. A friend of mine at school, Mervin Lunn, mum was killed in the attack by the IRA on the Para's barracks, in Aldershot, in 1972, where she was a civilian cleaner.

I hope he is burning in hell along with Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussain and is shortly joined by Bashar al-Assad and Robert Mugabe and all of the rest of the world's bloody dictators. Democracy may not be perfect by it is by far the best system of government the world has got. We take the freedoms in the western world for granted, but we should IMHO cherish them.

[albitz]

My mum was shot at by the IRA.The bullet missed her by a very small margin indeed.She had her first heart attack shortly afterwards (which may or may not have been connected ?) and never eally enjoyed good health again until her premature death just before her 69th birthday.Maybe that bullet was supplied by Gadaffi,I dont know.
Im not sorry hes gone,but as a civilised human being I cannot feel comfortable watching TV footage of any person being tortured and then executed by a mob behaving like a pack of animals.Nor can I feel happy about our media broadcasting the footage and printing the pics of his body on every front page for the sake of sensationalism.
I fully understand why they acted the way they did,but it was uncivilised behaviour of the worst kind and shouldnt praised or encouraged imo.It was pretty inevitable I suppose,but hopefully they will develop as a country where they have a proper system of justice. Accused people,whoever they may be should have the right to a trial where they face their accusers and when guilty, face the consequences of their actions under a civilised system.
Having said that,I wouldnt wish on them our system,where it has become so "developed,sophisticated and civilised" that criminals are often seen as the victims of society and treated with kid gloves, and the victims of their crimes often seem to be forgotten and ignored.We have very much thrown the baby out with the bath water imo.

[Dishevelled Den]

Let's face it they are living in the middle ages and act like it, it is tribal and just look at all those guns. I rather fear the worst for the country just look at the indiscipled rabble we helped. I personally don't see how bombing a convoy of 4*4's speeding out of Sirte was protecting the public, I suspect that NATO had a good idea it was Gaddafi. If that is the case then they are responsible for the outcome, no great loss and keeps things at closure rather than the circus trials in Iraq. This is how these people behave you can't expect an immediate democracy to suddenly appear, lets face it we have one but aren't allowed a referendum on European membership who's the dictator now.

I'm using my 'mobile device' ;Dto post this and as such must be brief for the sake of sanity so will simply say that that was a fair enough analysis, cleggy

[cem_devecioglu]

He who lives by the sword, dies by it.

Deserved all he's has got IMHO, if your father/ brother/ son has been killed by Gadaffi's internal security service or your friends who have tried to overthrow his repressive, blood regime have died.

"Are you going to say when you meet him, good to meet you, jolly good show over the last 45 years, you killing my brother/ father / son, I can fully understand and forgive what you have done, but unfortunately for a few thoughtless misdemeanors we are going to have to put on a slightly inconvenient trial, which might be a tad inconvenient for you old boy, but I'm sure everything will be alright".

If any of my friends or family had been killed under under his rule and I have met up with him, then my AK-47 would have been a rattling and smoking. 1.Eye for an eye, instant justice done. No chance of him getting away with it, or escaping and forming a resistance movement.

I hope the 2.democratic forces succeed in Libya by time will tell, unfortunately when people gain power, often with good intentions, they are reluctant to relinquish it. And unfortunately "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". I think there will be consider pressure / help from the UK and maybe France and USA for the alliance to fulfill their promises.

Justice has been done IMHO and we should remember all of his victims, including all of the IRA attacks using weapons supplied by him, Pam Am flight 103 and WPC Yvonne Fletcher. A friend of mine at school, Mervin Lunn, mum was killed in the attack by the IRA on the Para's barracks, in Aldershot, in 1972, where she was a civilian cleaner.

I hope he is burning in hell along with Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussain and is shortly joined by Bashar al-Assad and Robert Mugabe and all of the rest of the world's bloody dictators. Democracy may not be perfect by it is by far the best system of government the world has got. We take the freedoms in the western world for granted, but we should IMHO cherish them.

1. Eye for an eye: even from the ancient times so called "modern civilisations" in its time, tried to prevent this method of justice(if its justice).. instead tried to prepare some laws , justice system and state power in between citizens in order to avoid anarchy.. and besides death sentence, now, is not used/supported in most of the developed world countries..to give you an example in my country even a famous terrorist organization leader is not hanged.. he is been in proison for many years although 80 % of citizens will prefer to see him torn in pieces..and in Gaddafis case I'm afraid most news and information supplied by the media can be easily questioned for level of truth..Although I do think he  has a balooned ego and living some kind of madness he is no more guily than arabic countries despots which are still sitting in their chairs because they have agreement with western world..
 
2.  democratic forces in Libya: if you have watched those moments I have no doubt that you will think similiar like me.. my final decision about those countries is that : they are nothing more than  a bunch of hungry , ignorant barbarian tribes.. and there will be no chance of real democracy until they develop some real civilisation culture .. and of course if west permits that..which I dont have hope for.. but when the oil will finish things may change..
 
also as we opened this democracy subject, I also never think that none of the world countries at the moment have real democracies.. most of those developed countries go ad vote and parties come into play depending on the countries momentary pererefences but the leading classes never change.. and I never did/do believe this theatral act will change..so democracy is the name of game but not reality..

[cem_devecioglu]

My mum was shot at by the IRA.The bullet missed her by a very small margin indeed.She had her first heart attack shortly afterwards (which may or may not have been connected ?) and never eally enjoyed good health again until her premature death just before her 69th birthday.Maybe that bullet was supplied by Gadaffi,I dont know.
Im not sorry hes gone,but as a civilised human being I cannot feel comfortable watching TV footage of any person being tortured and then executed by a mob behaving like a pack of animals.Nor can I feel happy about our media broadcasting the footage and printing the pics of his body on every front page for the sake of sensationalism.
I fully understand why they acted the way they did,but it was uncivilised behaviour of the worst kind and shouldnt praised or encouraged imo.It was pretty inevitable I suppose,but hopefully they will develop as a country where they have a proper system of justice. Accused people,whoever they may be should have the right to a trial where they face their accusers and when guilty, face the consequences of their actions under a civilised system.
Having said that,I wouldnt wish on them our system,where it has become so "developed,sophisticated and civilised" that criminals are often seen as the victims of society and treated with kid gloves, and the victims of their crimes often seem to be forgotten and ignored.We have very much thrown the baby out with the bath water imo.

 

[cem_devecioglu]

Let's face it they are living in the middle ages and act like it, it is tribal and just look at all those guns. I rather fear the worst for the country just look at the indiscipled rabble we helped. I personally don't see how bombing a convoy of 4*4's speeding out of Sirte was protecting the public, I suspect that NATO had a good idea it was Gaddafi. If that is the case then they are responsible for the outcome, no great loss and keeps things at closure rather than the circus trials in Iraq. This is how these people behave you can't expect an immediate democracy to suddenly appear, lets face it we have one but aren't allowed a referendum on European membership who's the dictator now.

I'm using my 'mobile device' ;Dto post this and as such must be brief for the sake of sanity so will simply say that that was a fair enough analysis, cleggy

agreed

[aaronjb]

To distract us a little from the EU warblings coming from Westminster at the moment:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15428360

And I won't post here the video stills I saw the other day which showed Gadaffi being sodomised with a knife..

Truly that country has a long way to go if it's inhabitants want to be considered civilised after this, IMHO. A very long way.

[Dishevelled Den]

To distract us a little from the EU warblings coming from Westminster at the moment:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15428360

And I won't post here the video stills I saw the other day which showed Gadaffi being sodomised with a knife..

Truly that country has a long way to go if it's inhabitants want to be considered civilised after this, IMHO. A very long way.

Truly that country has a long way to go if it's inhabitants want to be considered civilised after this, IMHO. A very long way

Aside from the obvious disgust at such actions - you've hit that one squarely on the head.

[cem_devecioglu]

now.. the latest news..
 
they announced (democracy fighters) that constituon  will be formed by sheria laws..
 
no surprise,  anyway it was obvious that they lost the compass long long ago..
 
and bye bye democracy 

[sticka_v8_init]

now.. the latest news..
 
they announced (democracy fighters) that constituon  will be formed by sheria laws..
 
no surprise,  anyway it was obvious that they lost the compass long long ago..
 
and bye bye democracy 

Back to square one then 

[cem_devecioglu]

now.. the latest news..
 
they announced (democracy fighters) that constituon  will be formed by sheria laws..
 
no surprise,  anyway it was obvious that they lost the compass long long ago..
 
and bye bye democracy 

Back to square one then 

well said

[aaronjb]

Indeed! Of course the cynical among us know that the west's intervention in this was nothing to do with bringing democracy to the region; they couldn't care less how it's ruled as long as we get the oil and the ruler doesn't do anything too bad that we can't cover it up and cosy up to him..

[cem_devecioglu]

Indeed! Of course the cynical among us know that the west's intervention in this was nothing to do with bringing democracy to the region; they couldn't care less how it's ruled as long as we get the oil and the ruler doesn't do anything too bad that we can't cover it up and cosy up to him..

yep.. 
 
and additionally those countries after a period start to born and export .................