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[pscocoa]

I take my hat off to the Black's Outdoor Group  - the business development strategist who a long time ago selected Paternoster Square EC4 for the location of a camping shop has had a coup - they must be rewarding him now

[Dishevelled Den]

Do we really think there is a socialist utopia which we are being prevented from reaching by the "capitalist pigs" ?

Yep, North Korea they have to keep their borders closed to keep us westerners out.    Brain washing, starving population, execution of locals trying to cross into China, is all Western propaganda spread by capitalist pigs, just like it was in the days of the USSR   

Socialism is so good, China hasn't thought of adopting capitalism to increase the countries wealth. 

Socialism is so good, China hasn't thought of adopting capitalism to increase the countries wealth

And that, inter alia, will be the rock upon which they perish I would suggest.

Too big, too much, too soon and too much expectation from the formally downtrodden masses.

There may well not be sufficient room in the sun for all those in that vast country who aspire to a suntan.

[LJay]

Setting aside the encampment issues:

I am horrified to learn that the iconic locus of 'our' national-faith (effectively) charges admission fees to visitors/pilgrims.

Sadly......it would appear that, somewhere along the way, 'someone' appears to have taken the christian out of Christianity.

That's the story in majority of our countries cathedrals Debs, sadly.  We paid £18 to visit York Minster recently.  Shocking, but the sheer cost of the upkeep of these buildings is astronomical!  
My Dad was Estate Manager for Chester Cathedral for many years and as a result of the Dean and Chapter refusing to charge visitors watched more and more jobs being cut, his own included, as the struggle for funding became more difficult.
The present Dean has brought in admission fees now.

Chester Cathedral will let you in free if you wish to ''use'' the church as a place of worship but visitors must pay.

Sad state of affairs but there doesn't seem to be much religion in the religious these days.

[TheBoy]

Setting aside the encampment issues:

I am horrified to learn that the iconic locus of 'our' national-faith (effectively) charges admission fees to visitors/pilgrims.

Sadly......it would appear that, somewhere along the way, 'someone' appears to have taken the christian out of Christianity.

That's the story in majority of our countries cathedrals Debs, sadly.  We paid £18 to visit York Minster recently.  Shocking, but the sheer cost of the upkeep of these buildings is astronomical!  
My Dad was Estate Manager for Chester Cathedral for many years and as a result of the Dean and Chapter refusing to charge visitors watched more and more jobs being cut, his own included, as the struggle for funding became more difficult.
The present Dean has brought in admission fees now.

Chester Cathedral will let you in free if you wish to ''use'' the church as a place of worship but visitors must pay.

Sad state of affairs but there doesn't seem to be much religion in the religious these days.

Isn't that discrimination - I would have to pay purely because of my (lack of) beliefs?

Surely, the worshippers' should pay as well, if funding is required, as they are the ones benefitting

[LJay]

Setting aside the encampment issues:

I am horrified to learn that the iconic locus of 'our' national-faith (effectively) charges admission fees to visitors/pilgrims.

Sadly......it would appear that, somewhere along the way, 'someone' appears to have taken the christian out of Christianity.

That's the story in majority of our countries cathedrals Debs, sadly.  We paid £18 to visit York Minster recently.  Shocking, but the sheer cost of the upkeep of these buildings is astronomical!  
My Dad was Estate Manager for Chester Cathedral for many years and as a result of the Dean and Chapter refusing to charge visitors watched more and more jobs being cut, his own included, as the struggle for funding became more difficult.
The present Dean has brought in admission fees now.

Chester Cathedral will let you in free if you wish to ''use'' the church as a place of worship but visitors must pay.

Sad state of affairs but there doesn't seem to be much religion in the religious these days.

Isn't that discrimination - I would have to pay purely because of my (lack of) beliefs?

Surely, the worshippers' should pay as well, if funding is required, as they are the ones benefitting

That's what the collection plate during the services are for.....in theory anyway!

Had to pay a sodding fortune to get wed there, be damned if I'm gonna keep paying to go in!

I actually think a reasonable donation should be asked for and given to visit these places.  Religious or not, the buildings hold precious history and architecture the likes of which we will never see again.  It's everyone's duty to protect our history and culture.

[millwall]

Setting aside the encampment issues:

I am horrified to learn that the iconic locus of 'our' national-faith (effectively) charges admission fees to visitors/pilgrims.

Sadly......it would appear that, somewhere along the way, 'someone' appears to have taken the christian out of Christianity.

That's the story in majority of our countries cathedrals Debs, sadly.  We paid £18 to visit York Minster recently.  Shocking, but the sheer cost of the upkeep of these buildings is astronomical!  
My Dad was Estate Manager for Chester Cathedral for many years and as a result of the Dean and Chapter refusing to charge visitors watched more and more jobs being cut, his own included, as the struggle for funding became more difficult.
The present Dean has brought in admission fees now.

Chester Cathedral will let you in free if you wish to ''use'' the church as a place of worship but visitors must pay.

Sad state of affairs but there doesn't seem to be much religion in the religious these days.

Isn't that discrimination - I would have to pay purely because of my (lack of) beliefs?

Surely, the worshippers' should pay as well, if funding is required, as they are the ones benefitting

That's what the collection plate during the services are for.....in theory anyway!

Had to pay a sodding fortune to get wed there, be damned if I'm gonna keep paying to go in!

I actually think a reasonable donation should be asked for and given to visit these places.  Religious or not, the buildings hold precious history and architecture the likes of which we will never see again. It's everyone's duty to protect our history and culture.

well said

[TheBoy]

Setting aside the encampment issues:

I am horrified to learn that the iconic locus of 'our' national-faith (effectively) charges admission fees to visitors/pilgrims.

Sadly......it would appear that, somewhere along the way, 'someone' appears to have taken the christian out of Christianity.

That's the story in majority of our countries cathedrals Debs, sadly.  We paid £18 to visit York Minster recently.  Shocking, but the sheer cost of the upkeep of these buildings is astronomical!  
My Dad was Estate Manager for Chester Cathedral for many years and as a result of the Dean and Chapter refusing to charge visitors watched more and more jobs being cut, his own included, as the struggle for funding became more difficult.
The present Dean has brought in admission fees now.

Chester Cathedral will let you in free if you wish to ''use'' the church as a place of worship but visitors must pay.

Sad state of affairs but there doesn't seem to be much religion in the religious these days.

Isn't that discrimination - I would have to pay purely because of my (lack of) beliefs?

Surely, the worshippers' should pay as well, if funding is required, as they are the ones benefitting

That's what the collection plate during the services are for.....in theory anyway!

Had to pay a sodding fortune to get wed there, be damned if I'm gonna keep paying to go in!

I actually think a reasonable donation should be asked for and given to visit these places.  Religious or not, the buildings hold precious history and architecture the likes of which we will never see again.  It's everyone's duty to protect our history and culture.

I agree, everyone should contribute *IF* they use it (or want to look around it).  I do feel, however, the commercialism of the churches will be their downfall.

[LJay]

Setting aside the encampment issues:

I am horrified to learn that the iconic locus of 'our' national-faith (effectively) charges admission fees to visitors/pilgrims.

Sadly......it would appear that, somewhere along the way, 'someone' appears to have taken the christian out of Christianity.

That's the story in majority of our countries cathedrals Debs, sadly.  We paid £18 to visit York Minster recently.  Shocking, but the sheer cost of the upkeep of these buildings is astronomical!  
My Dad was Estate Manager for Chester Cathedral for many years and as a result of the Dean and Chapter refusing to charge visitors watched more and more jobs being cut, his own included, as the struggle for funding became more difficult.
The present Dean has brought in admission fees now.

Chester Cathedral will let you in free if you wish to ''use'' the church as a place of worship but visitors must pay.

Sad state of affairs but there doesn't seem to be much religion in the religious these days.

Isn't that discrimination - I would have to pay purely because of my (lack of) beliefs?

Surely, the worshippers' should pay as well, if funding is required, as they are the ones benefitting

That's what the collection plate during the services are for.....in theory anyway!

Had to pay a sodding fortune to get wed there, be damned if I'm gonna keep paying to go in!

I actually think a reasonable donation should be asked for and given to visit these places.  Religious or not, the buildings hold precious history and architecture the likes of which we will never see again.  It's everyone's duty to protect our history and culture.

I agree, everyone should contribute *IF* they use it (or want to look around it).  I do feel, however, the commercialism of the churches will be their downfall.

Certainly will be!  That said, they can't rely on their religion!