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[feeutfo]

Bye-bye check control, and a screen that low is pointless IMO. If there was a head unit to combine all the current functions, tmc, plus all the modern ones such blu tooth streaming, aux in and out, tv, blah blah, and do it all via CID, as well as integrate with the interior, then you'd be on to something.

Yeah right. 

CD70

DVD90?

[Dave DND]

so this dire head unit, is this the one you said you'd look into replacing? As apparently any "decent" modern head unit can replace all the 2015 functions with CID... Hmm?

If you are going to quote me, then please get it right.

Yes, any decent modern aftermarket head unit will sound better than anything ever offered by the OEM manufacturer. I never said anything about the CID display, nor about replacing any functions.

If you want my truthfull opinion, change the car, remember I don`t like the Omega`s   

[Dave DND]

Bye-bye check control, and a screen that low is pointless IMO. If there was a head unit to combine all the current functions, tmc, plus all the modern ones such blu tooth streaming, aux in and out, tv, blah blah, and do it all via CID, as well as integrate with the interior, then you'd be on to something.

Yeah right. 

CD70

DVD90?

Still complex to get working with emulated CAN signals, but theoretically possible - not sure about display features, not worked that one out, but to be honest, I think that the CD70 is a far superior head unit to the DVD90. I now have a CD70 FULLY working on my test bench compete with speed pulse and ignition controls, all via a programmable CANBUS chip - just need to find a way to implement this into a car now.

 

[Dave DND]

and don't forget to keep the far superior Bose sound.

BOSE ? Nope, never gonna happen until my hearing goes and I can no longer tell the difference

[feeutfo]

Safe to say then, as Dave has just confirmed in so many words, there is nothing on the Market today to replace the omega head units without major compromise in some area or another .

Including this one. Sadly. Quite like the look of it actually. But there we are!

[TheBoy]

Bye-bye check control, and a screen that low is pointless IMO. If there was a head unit to combine all the current functions, tmc, plus all the modern ones such blu tooth streaming, aux in and out, tv, blah blah, and do it all via CID, as well as integrate with the interior, then you'd be on to something.

Yeah right. 

CD70

DVD90?

I haven't got one of those sat in the dining room

[TheBoy]

Safe to say then, as Dave has just confirmed in so many words, there is nothing on the Market today to replace the omega head units without major compromise in some area or another .

Including this one. Sadly. Quite like the look of it actually. But there we are!

Depends on your priorities.

I've stuck with standard (even though a bugger to retrofit in the MV6) because I want the OEM look and full functionality from the onboard systems. And Bose

[Dave DND]

OK, lets approach this from a different angle -

TB - what is needed to run the computer / trip functions on the screen without a head unit being fitted at all ?

Must be possible ?

 

[TheBoy]

OK, lets approach this from a different angle -

TB - what is needed to run the computer / trip functions on the screen without a head unit being fitted at all ?

Must be possible ?

 

A GID/CID?  A CAN connection from NCDx

MID, diddly squat from the radio, other than the old style Philips 3 wire protocol for display (radio station etc) if required.

[Andy H]

OK, lets approach this from a different angle -

TB - what is needed to run the computer / trip functions on the screen without a head unit being fitted at all ?

Must be possible ?

 

Dave. Are you thinking of ways of driving the graphics input AND controlling the computer/trip functions?

If the graphics are not a priority then the simplest approach is to fit a text only MID and a new wiper stalk.

If the aim is to keep the CID then my interpretation is that there is a bit of CANbus (with a paired security code) between the HU and the CID. I believe the LCD screen is an odd beast with both VGA and digital inputs so I assume that the VGA comes direct from the HU and commands over CANbus tell the trip computer what to display on the digital input to the LCD

[feeutfo]

Safe to say then, as Dave has just confirmed in so many words, there is nothing on the Market today to replace the omega head units without major compromise in some area or another .

Including this one. Sadly. Quite like the look of it actually. But there we are!

Depends on your priorities.

I've stuck with standard (even though a bugger to retrofit in the MV6) because I want the OEM look and full functionality from the onboard systems. And Bose

Priorities are... Everything. Everything must be better. As if vx had developed the system to currant day. Bc,tomtom nav, double tuner for tmc, check control, 4 stack cd changer will do, phone with blu tooth that can stream music, iPod connectivity, tv, video playback.all through CID and Bose, because anything else will be a step down. Although lower volumes need work with Bose fair enough. But crack up the volume it's bloody good IMO. Certainly don't see/hear ANY need to spend money there.

Or add some of those newer function to the current set up. An aux in would be a start. I do love the way external audio mutes your current selection with a modulator. Gives an "as designed feel", shame there's that little bit of hiss, although road noise and higher volumes drown it.

Or, what's the next step up? Cd70? Dvd90? Dave already said BC functions will be lost.

I suppose logic suggests develop the current set up, as it is bespoke. CID,2015,Telematics,steering wheel controls, check control. Nothing can replace that. Therefor, it is the best System available for the omega. Regardless of weather Dave likes or not.

I mean why would anybody develop a system for dieing car like the omega? No money there, it's a hard to beat system with no way of clawing back development costs.

[Dave DND]

You are dead right, no one is going to spend any R&D budget to produce anything more for an ageing car, but thats not to say any solution may not be around the corner

As far as I can see (and not having an Omega, I have to summise a little) the signals from trip computer etc go to the head unit and are then transmitted from out from the head unit via CAN to the display. Do they go into the head unit via CAN ? Presumably so ?

Theoritically, I am wondering if it is possible to pump them straight into the display by changing the CAN protocol ID to look for the display instead of the head unit ? That way head unit could be removed with full functionality of the CID retained. This would then open up a few more choices of head unit at least. Sending external graphics and pictures is not really an issue on that screen, (several mods already around to do that), its the body functions we need to retain.

Coded / paired head units are not necessarily a problem, as I`m sure with a bit of work they can be bypassed - I`m playing with a CD70 and a CAN analyser on the bench at the moment which is whats giving me the ideas, as neither are coded to each other, nor the car, and they are functioning perfectly well -

By the way, I have a modified Porsche / BOSE adaptor here, that I reckon may well work on an Omega with an aftermarket head unit, just need to find a guinea pig to try it out

[feeutfo]

I believe the only can communication on the vehicle is between CID and HU.

Or at least that's my understanding of it.

[VXL V6]

I believe the only can communication on the vehicle is between CID and HU.

Or at least that's my understanding of it.

Thats my understanding too. Sure Mr DTM mentioned something on this very subject at The Lakes meet this year.

[Lazydocker]

I believe the only can communication on the vehicle is between CID and HU.

Or at least that's my understanding of it.

Thats my understanding too. Sure Mr DTM mentioned something on this very subject at The Lakes meet this year.

Yep, that's what I recall too. Although he did say that there are other signals present IIRC