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3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« on: 19 November 2011, 16:47:11 »

Hi Guys,

For those who don't know, I had an issue a few days ago with my Auto box on the MV6, constantly going into limp mode after gear changes, and on a couple occasions, causing a shaking from the autobox.

The code logged was P0748 - Automatic Gearbox Pressure Control Solenoid open circuit.

Having checked the security of all the electrical connections, next step was to take the sumps off for a look (praying there were no remains of thrust washers inside them!!)

I first removed the front gearbox sump, this afternoon. Apart from the (expected) brown-ness of the oil (130,000 miles), it was remarkably clean inside with no bits present. So the Thrust washer is intact!!

I then removed the pressure control soleniod, which is the component the fault code related to. Not too tricky, just held in with a little bracket that slots into the groove.  If any of us are doing just an ATF change, it's well worth noting that upon removal of this solenoid, a LOT more ATF came out of the apeture than was just in the sump. I know we like to get as much out as possible!)

Anyway, here is the old, original one, which I removed.



I didn't re-fit it, as I had a new replacement, from JPAT (£40, if ever anyone needs one).

So - replacement solenoid in, wires connected to it, and front sump back on.

Ususal drill then followed for removing ATF, and gearbox re-filled using some nice new Red stuff :)

The result?

Well, before, I couldn't get to the end of my road without it dropping into limp mode. This afternoon, (after a short trip to settle/recheck ATF level) - and a shower to get the ATF out of my hair -  I did a very enthusiastic drive of about 20 miles on some A roads, lots of sport mode/kickdown - using the gears lots and really having a good time! No limp mode, no ill effects :)

So - as it stands, I'm pretty confident the issue is fixed, and that the problem was the pressure control solenoid in the autobox.

Some will also remember I have mentioned in the past that I had a high-pitched whine from the gearbox, when listening to it stood outside the car, with the engine idling? This has now also completely gone, so I can only attribute it all to that solenoid.

Also - I'm not sure if this is just placebo effect, or if it's a result of the new solenoid/ATF, but, for some time I've felt the car is a bit flat. Well, after doing this job, it does seem a lot more responsive to apply the drive, gearchanges are better, it generally feels a lot better to drive.

Codes cleared - none returned.

Figers crossed  :y - and thanks to everyone for the various suggestions/opinions :)

Am only posting this in it's own thread because I don't think I've seen this issue crop up much / be related to the solenoid, so hope it might be some use in future, when people with the same problem run a search.

I'll update in due course as to whether it's still behaving. :y


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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #1 on: 19 November 2011, 17:35:21 »

Good result...any chance of a gearbox data live snapshot?

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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #2 on: 19 November 2011, 17:53:48 »

Glad you've hopefully sorted it.  :y
Interesting that you got a lot more ATF out with the solenoid removed. Is it a straightforward part to undo, i.e. Is it worth removing the solenoid to drain more ATF out during a routine ATF change or do you risk breaking something. :-\

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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #3 on: 19 November 2011, 18:28:23 »

Good result James, glad to hear that it wasn't any worse than that!!  :y
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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #4 on: 19 November 2011, 18:31:19 »

Good result  :y
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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #5 on: 19 November 2011, 20:35:43 »

Tidy, your cars always bring up some 'interesting' problems - wonder what the next saga will be?  ;D
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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #6 on: 19 November 2011, 20:39:56 »

Tidy, your cars always bring up some 'interesting' problems - wonder what the next saga will be?  ;D

Is never a saga, just a small hitch ;D
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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #7 on: 19 November 2011, 20:42:00 »

Tidy, your cars always bring up some 'interesting' problems - wonder what the next saga will be?  ;D

Is never a saga, just a small hitch ;D

You got a towbar now??  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #8 on: 19 November 2011, 20:49:01 »

Although it's all good again..... I still am so torn as to whether or not to put a manual box in there, in the summer....

I do like my auto.... it's smooth, and means I can be lazy.... but, the more I 'enjoy' driving the car, I miss the control of a manual  :-\
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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #9 on: 19 November 2011, 20:50:52 »

Although it's all good again..... I still am so torn as to whether or not to put a manual box in there, in the summer....

I do like my auto.... it's smooth, and means I can be lazy.... but, the more I 'enjoy' driving the car, I miss the control of a manual  :-\

I've thinking the same, Auto good for stop-start traffic, when I can't be bothered, but I do miss having a manual  :(
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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #10 on: 19 November 2011, 20:58:55 »

Trouble is, I wouldn't say any manual box fitted to an Omega is exactly 'tight' and engaging. Perhaps if there was a way to shorten the throw / make the gate smaller it would be a bit better. That said, it does the job.....
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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #11 on: 19 November 2011, 21:04:46 »

well done glad you got it fixed james now you wont throw sophie about
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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #12 on: 19 November 2011, 21:09:34 »

well done glad you got it fixed james now you wont throw sophie about

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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #13 on: 19 November 2011, 21:10:21 »

This 3.0 M reg Manual Omega was the most fun I've ever had in a car!!


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Re: 3.2 MV6 Autobox / Limp Mode Problem - The Culprit
« Reply #14 on: 19 November 2011, 21:15:23 »

This 3.0 M reg Manual Omega was the most fun I've ever had in a car!!




Yes i've had some good fun in an estate.... mind you it was in the evening, I can't remember the girls name and we weren't sitting in the front  ;D
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