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[tigers_gonads]

Dont particularly agree with these strikes or there causes, but on the other hand at least someone has the backbone to stand up against the Government who have had there way whilst ignoring the working man for to long, its about time they started to experience some sort backlash//........

Yes, I think your piece very much describes the motivating factors behind what may well become the Cri de Coeur of people when they take to the streets, in number, in an effort to express their frustration and dissatisfaction.

I'm of the opinion there is ample evidence to suggest that, in the coming years, civil disturbances will become the norm rather than the exception as people organise in a determined fashion as they experience a deteriorating standard of living with little prospect of any improvement in the near future. 

More especially so when those at the top table of this society continue to sup handsomely on the best that the land provides.

So much for - ‘We’re all in this together’.

Here here next this country should consider a national strike about the cost off Diesel and petrol before no-one can afford to take there cars to work there for giving up work and this society we know today will revert back to the days when only the rich can afford to own a car.
As of next year the cost off fuel is going to increase by 8-25p a litre

How about LPG 

Anyway, back to this voteing business 
Personally, I don't think you will ever get a true picture of what people really want until someone makes these ballots compulsery for all members  to vote
Also, keep all union staff / pickets away from voteing station to try and cut the bullying down to a minimum 

At the end of the day, the world has rather changed and they isnt enough money to go around 
People can bleat on about this and that till they are blue in the face but it won't change sweet break all, the money that was to pay for these pensons that they are all blubing about is gone 

If you want to blame someone, blame Bliar and his chums who when this country ( and the world ) had it good, they wasted all the money 

Also it should be made law to vote in local and national elections if your eligble 

[Dishevelled Den]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/11/30/jeremy-clarkson-shoot-striking-public-sector-workers_n_1121500.html?ncid=webmail1

Looks like Clarkson has upset a few people.

I've as little time for Clarkson as I have for the Huffy Puffy - what a waste of oppsing time - is it any wonder that many in this country are wandering around in a state that's removed from reality when such tripe (as uttered and reported) is seized upon by individuals more attracted to coloured pictures or outrageous comments than the real issues facing everyone within these shores.

The voters of this country should realise that while such tosh is being exploited my elements of the MSM, 'periodicals', social networking, oppstwittery, broadcasters, 'service providers and so on, our elected officials continue to opps us from behind - without, as the man said, having the courtesy of offering us a reach-around.


Ooh - that's cleared the custard.

[Dishevelled Den]

How about LPG 

Anyway, back to this voteing business 
Personally, I don't think you will ever get a true picture of what people really want until someone makes these ballots compulsery for all members  to vote
Also, keep all union staff / pickets away from voteing station to try and cut the bullying down to a minimum 

At the end of the day, the world has rather changed and they isnt enough money to go around 
People can bleat on about this and that till they are blue in the face but it won't change sweet break all, the money that was to pay for these pensons that they are all blubing about is gone 

If you want to blame someone, blame Bliar and his chums who when this country ( and the world ) had it good, they wasted all the money 

Also it should be made law to vote in local and national elections if your eligble 

Also it should be made law to vote in local and national elections if your eligble

That would be a start Tiger - but it would need a radical overhaul of the voting system and a decision made as to how much power was to be centred at Westminster and how much at local level.

In tandem, we would also have to have a strong regulatory mechanism in place that would allow the voters to have behaviour, such as we've seen in public over the last few years, dealt with effectively.

[alfie]

Hi,Just a little surprised that a lot of the posts on here and the other threads regarding our country's plight,to me seem like to have come straight from the Daily Mail.
Without the unions to fight and stand up for their members rights,and that includes withdrawing their labour the likes of the pubic school boys who govern us,will soon be reopening the workhouses.
As someone who has been on the picket line during the steel strike,I have had the experience of our wonderful police SERVICE putting the boot in,and not being too careful about who they arrest.
Glad thats of my chest.
                                          Alfie

[jimac]

First and foremost my comments were aimed at the union members who care so little for anyone else. 'Scummy Public Sector worker'  Why are working for it them if you can describe it as that?
Self pity will get you no respect at all. Are you the only one who has seen the same circumstances affect their lives? No you are not! We are all suffering and no-one made you choose your occupation, it was your choice. Your choice means that you cannot complain because it has turned out not to be the bed of roses you expected. If you are as you state, 'burnt out' then why are you remaining in the job you feel is harming your health?
I cant see many 67yr old men wanting to be dealing with violent druggies,pixxed people,climbing into waterfilled ditches on a rainy pitch black early morning to pull someone from an overturned car etc etc can you
I have done pretty much the same work as you and also seen death and the results of a hard death at close hand, then had to 'mop' up the aftermath. I am now retired, not an early retirement either,  after working far longer hours than you for many years of my employment, an employment history during which I lost very few days through sickness or other reasons. Who cares what you think, I speak personally from many years experience of watching my taxes pay for the overgenerous pensions of those parasites who call themselves PUBLIC service workers. It is high time that they were made to subsidise and pay for their own pensions themselves and not have to constantly demand that we, the ones who they are supposed to work for, pay for them through the nose via our taxes!
What makes them so special that they should receive a better pension than anyone else in the private sector. The private sector should not have to subsidise the public sector at all.
Would the public sector agree to fund the pensions of the private sector? A big fat no to that one I bet!
Fair is fair and the public sector pension fiasco is not fair at all.
 

Well, we could eliminate a huge number of your "parasites" by tearing down the NHS and going to a completely privately-provided health care system.  If that's what you want, start lobbying your MP now and make sure you have enough savings put by to pay for any treatment you might need in the future.

Public sector workers pay tax too, you know.  And they pay money into their pension funds just as the private sector worker does.  Along with everybody else, they "subsidise" your state pension and all other state-funded benefits that everyone gets when needed (like Job Seekers Allowance, Child Benefit, Sickness Benefit etc.).  They are also the people who deliver the services that your (and their) taxes pay for, like teaching our children, caring for the sick, emptying the bins, building the roads, arresting criminals, cleaning the schools and hospitals etc.  Nothing makes them so special that they should receive a "better pension" than anyone working in the private sector, but that's not what they are claiming.  They are protesting that something which they were promised (and paid for) is under threat of being taken away from them, largely to help finance repaying debts that were not of their making.  I know that this has happened in the private sector too, but the private sector workers had exactly the same means available to them to protest rather than just roll over and take it.

By the way, I have worked all my life in the private sector and have not been a member of a union for over 30 years.  However, I can still see the unjustice in the way the public sector has been treated - and now they have to settle for a paltry 1% pay increase and the likelihood of over 700,000 job losses while we all still clamour and complain that the services we enjoy must still remain.

[aaronjb]

As of next year the cost off fuel is going to increase by 8-25p a litre

Gotta find the tax to pay for all those pensions somehow..

[STMO123]

First and foremost my comments were aimed at the union members who care so little for anyone else. 'Scummy Public Sector worker'  Why are working for it them if you can describe it as that?
Self pity will get you no respect at all. Are you the only one who has seen the same circumstances affect their lives? No you are not! We are all suffering and no-one made you choose your occupation, it was your choice. Your choice means that you cannot complain because it has turned out not to be the bed of roses you expected. If you are as you state, 'burnt out' then why are you remaining in the job you feel is harming your health?
I cant see many 67yr old men wanting to be dealing with violent druggies,pixxed people,climbing into waterfilled ditches on a rainy pitch black early morning to pull someone from an overturned car etc etc can you
I have done pretty much the same work as you and also seen death and the results of a hard death at close hand, then had to 'mop' up the aftermath. I am now retired, not an early retirement either,  after working far longer hours than you for many years of my employment, an employment history during which I lost very few days through sickness or other reasons. Who cares what you think, I speak personally from many years experience of watching my taxes pay for the overgenerous pensions of those parasites who call themselves PUBLIC service workers. It is high time that they were made to subsidise and pay for their own pensions themselves and not have to constantly demand that we, the ones who they are supposed to work for, pay for them through the nose via our taxes!
What makes them so special that they should receive a better pension than anyone else in the private sector. The private sector should not have to subsidise the public sector at all.
Would the public sector agree to fund the pensions of the private sector? A big fat no to that one I bet!
Fair is fair and the public sector pension fiasco is not fair at all.
 

Do you call yourself  'Bionic' because they took your brain out and transplanted a bollock?

[alfie]

Out of interest what do kind of pension are our MPs getting for themselves.

[Vamps]

Whatever your thoughts are the Metro Centre, a huge indoor shopping mall, would welcome another strike, they had a 'Bumper Day' yesterday with shoppers, along with Middlesbrough also saying similar, was on the news tonight......

[Bionic]

STMO123
Do you call yourself  'Bionic' because they took your brain out and transplanted a bollock?   

I fail to see how the laughing faces excuse your insults.
Obviously by your comments you can apply the age old phrase of 'it takes one to know one'.

My comments, if you even read the post fully is based on personal experience over many years and my title 'bionic' reflects the many personal injuries and their 'repairs' that I have suffered in my working very long, hardly missing a days work, life. I stand by what I wrote initially.
Even if you could match my work history it would not excuse you making personal attacks which are so insulting.
 
Tigers-Gonads has it right on the button....both cause and effect

[hoofing it]

Dont particularly agree with these strikes or there causes, but on the other hand at least someone has the backbone to stand up against the Government who have had there way whilst ignoring the working man for to long, its about time they started to experience some sort backlash//........

Yes, I think your piece very much describes the motivating factors behind what may well become the Cri de Coeur of people when they take to the streets, in number, in an effort to express their frustration and dissatisfaction.

I'm of the opinion there is ample evidence to suggest that, in the coming years, civil disturbances will become the norm rather than the exception as people organise in a determined fashion as they experience a deteriorating standard of living with little prospect of any improvement in the near future. 

More especially so when those at the top table of this society continue to sup handsomely on the best that the land provides.

So much for - ‘We’re all in this together’.

Here here next this country should consider a national strike about the cost off Diesel and petrol before no-one can afford to take there cars to work there for giving up work and this society we know today will revert back to the days when only the rich can afford to own a car.
As of next year the cost off fuel is going to increase by 8-25p a litre

How about LPG 

Anyway, back to this voteing business 
Personally, I don't think you will ever get a true picture of what people really want until someone makes these ballots compulsery for all members  to vote
Also, keep all union staff / pickets away from voteing station to try and cut the bullying down to a minimum 

At the end of the day, the world has rather changed and they isnt enough money to go around 
People can bleat on about this and that till they are blue in the face but it won't change sweet break all, the money that was to pay for these pensons that they are all blubing about is gone 

If you want to blame someone, blame Bliar and his chums who when this country ( and the world ) had it good, they wasted all the money 

Also it should be made law to vote in local and national elections if your eligble 

Won't be long before thats dearer than diesel
I voted no to ballot on the strikes as there are other ways to protest but ive got to much respect for the guys that im in charge of to cross the picket line.
As for that w**k blair he's got a lot to answer to also I see the forum hemroid  is anoying people again(no guesses who that is)

[Webby the Bear]

I'm not going to get involved in whether striking was right or not as, to be honest, I don't understand the full implications.

However, sticking with the generic topic of pensions..... I work for a big building society  and I pay in to my pension and have done for 10 years. I just missed out on grabbing a final salary pension and am on something I don't really understand. I pay no AVC's so am paying the basic amount.

I'm seriously thinking about cashing this in if possible (although I think I read somewhere I can only do that when I get to 55) and not paying any further in. The reasons:

My best mate's dad died a few years back. He was aged 62 and didn't see any of the pension money he'd paid in the poor bastard. Now, in his case that dosh automatically went to his family which, although he didn't see it, at least it went to help look after his wife and kids 

HOWEVER, I haven't got kids and am most definitely not having them... so when and if I get to retirement and I pop my clogs on the day I retire (as I am a chronic Sod'slawitus sufferer) that money presumably will go to the state and I will have paid my whole life in to this pension and not benefitted.

So, what do you guys think to stopping this?

[Kevin Wood]

So, what do you guys think to stopping this?

Well, that's the trick. Equally, you could go on to get a telegram from the Queen (or King as it'll probably be by then), discover that, by then, the state pension is next to useless and be glad of the extra income. Pensions are a gamble, as is any saving, for that matter, because you can't take it with you when you go.

If your company is paying into the scheme there may not be any cash alternative that you could take at any rate, so you might as well have the pension?

[Webby the Bear]

So, what do you guys think to stopping this?

Well, that's the trick. Equally, you could go on to get a telegram from the Queen (or King as it'll probably be by then), discover that, by then, the state pension is next to useless and be glad of the extra income. Pensions are a gamble, as is any saving, for that matter, because you can't take it with you when you go.

If your company is paying into the scheme there may not be any cash alternative that you could take at any rate, so you might as well have the pension?

Cheers mate 

TBH though if I made it to a hundred I'd have already been thrown in jail for not paying my council tax so food and heating would be taken care of anyway 

[aaronjb]

I'm not going to stop my pension, but on the other hand I've also given up on the idea it will give any kind of meaningful return when I retire; I think at the moment it's set to be the 'equivalent' of about £10k p/a.. [edit] I'm putting in 5% of my salary, work top up another 5%, but I've only been doing that since about 27..

Hopefully, over the next 20 years or so I'll be able to build some kind of alternative portfolio in property or .. something. I don't really know what, yet, to be fair!