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[hotel21]

The process from deemed offence to conviction has quite a few options for common sense to be applied.

The individual who may or may not feel agrieved at the actions of another.

The Officer attending, once requested, may or may not report for prosecution.

The Procurator Fiscal (or Director of Public Prosecutions in Englandshire) may or may not forward for prosecution.

The Sheriff (aye, we still have them up here....) or Magistrate, after trial, may or may not impose a punishment/admonishment/dismissal.

At each and every stage, our old, lost and late lamented friend common sense comes into play where each player has the option to kick the case into touch as its a load of rowlocks and should never have been given life on paper.

As we now have too many liberal guru's of human rights, health and safety, ambulance chasing lawyers and cringeworthy social workers for the hard of thinking, we unfortunately now reap what we have sown.

Not for an instant suggestion riot or civil insurrection but....

.... isn't it time for a reality check??

[Vamps]

The process from deemed offence to conviction has quite a few options for common sense to be applied.

The individual who may or may not feel agrieved at the actions of another.

The Officer attending, once requested, may or may not report for prosecution.

The Procurator Fiscal (or Director of Public Prosecutions in Englandshire) may or may not forward for prosecution.

The Sheriff (aye, we still have them up here....) or Magistrate, after trial, may or may not impose a punishment/admonishment/dismissal.

At each and every stage, our old, lost and late lamented friend common sense comes into play where each player has the option to kick the case into touch as its a load of rowlocks and should never have been given life on paper.

As we now have too many liberal guru's of human rights, health and safety, ambulance chasing lawyers and cringeworthy social workers for the hard of thinking, we unfortunately now reap what we have sown.

Not for an instant suggestion riot or civil insurrection but....

.... isn't it time for a reality check??

Let's not generalise shall we.....    I agree with what everyone is saying......until there is a whole change in attitude by those in charge we will continue to decline.......

[cam2502]

disgrace! he should be offered a job as head of security by the train operator.

[Kevin Wood]

About time our trains were patrolled to the same standard as those in Germany. Inspectors working in twos, each carrying a piece. So, you haven't got a ticket? Ask yourself.. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? 

[feeutfo]

Frustrating behavior. Even more frustrating outcome. But does not paying for a ticket justify assault? Depends on our understanding of assault I guess, which would appear somewhat different to the laws understanding...?

I suppose the inspector should have allowed the journey to continue, reported him to the authorities, and if said authorities catch him at a station later before he gets off, gotcha....? If he had done so, we wouldnt be here now. I guess? 

[Kevin Wood]

At the end of the day, it's down to the train operating companies, really.

A guard working alone like that can only ask politely that he pay. If the train companies don't provide a means for timely backup to arrive and deal with the situation, then they have to take the hit when someone with a brass neck won't pay. I suspect they've probably done the sums and decided that's the cheapest solution.

[feeutfo]

Yeah, trains going to run anyway. Even if empty.

[alfie]

Didn't the Big Man do no more than a night club bouncer would have.

[blackviper90210]

It "appears" he used reasonable force. He helped him off the train, but the dodger then resisted and appeared to use force to get back on. In the struggle, the big man just pushed him away. At least he didn't hit the prat!

The fact he was swearing with a very young family next to him, he obviously has no respect, so that in turn rules out any respect due to him!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Didn't the Big Man do no more than a night club bouncer would have.

A lot less I would say. A friend and I had the crap kicked out of us by three huge bouncers back in the late seventies. I still have the bruises.....

[Lazydocker]

Big man asked the conductor if he wanted help, to which he replied "Yes Please" so surely he was acting on behalf of the conductor?

As has been said, it seemed reasonable force IMO, and the only reason the lad hit the deck was because he used unreasonable force trying to get back on!

You can bet your last penny that the conversation between the yoof and the conductor had been going on for a lot longer than we saw in the clip

[Lazydocker]

What I meant by the first paragraph above is that the rail company should be coming forward to help this man in his defence.

[Kevin Wood]

What I meant by the first paragraph above is that the rail company should be coming forward to help this man in his defence.

Indeed. The conductor should have told him to stay out of it, IMHO. Had the conductor been under threat of violence it may have been appropriate for him to step in and, had he been acting in the conductor's defence in the face of a physical assault, he wouldn't be up before the beak, IMHO.

Unfortunately, the youth was far too clever to put a mark on the conductor, and knew that if he stood his ground there was sweet F.A. that anyone could do, other than let him continue his free journey.

A ridiculous situation we find ourselves in but, sadly, any other outcome would violate his yumin right to do exactly as he pleases, and break everyone else.

[bertie1.8vectra]

mobile phones are sometimes our saviours but in bigmans case its gonna be his downfall.... the student should be prosecuted for not having a ticket and bigman will i think anyways not be prosecuted.... but in the 1st instance the guard should not of allowed a member of the public intervene in a matter that did not directly involve him.... its very noble to get up and think thats it i`ve had enough i`ll deal with this scrote... but people soon fade away when things go pear shaped... anyways i`ll shut up cause i dont want an arguement with you guys and i`ll leave this matter to those who are more experianced than me... happy x-mas

[wakeyomega]

Do you know what I think is really sad. The fact that the fare dodoger, on reflection the next day, and seeing what a pratt he had been, didn't have the gonads to say "I deserved all I got". The big change in society these days is people not accepting responsibilty for their own actions. A real man would have accepted and moved on, all he has done is confirmed what an ar*e he is to the whole world. I can't believe he has any friends, or self respect come to that.