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Re: Welfare Cap
« Reply #15 on: 21 January 2012, 23:50:38 »

And one more thing cos this really pi**es me off. All the families claiming for many kids, pets and god knows what. Someone needs to tell them to take responsibility for their own lives. Their choice to have many kids, their choice to .... well, everything really. People (adults) just don't grasp that their life is their responsibility, nobody elses. They made their choices, now deal with it.
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Re: Welfare Cap
« Reply #16 on: 21 January 2012, 23:59:49 »

I can't see any end to it though, the attitude of labour and lib dems is inconceivable, and the tories aren't a real tory party. No-one will dare chmake the drastic changes needed for fear of losing votes as the 'benefits' culture is so widespread. People who earn just shy of 30k get chid benefit for flip sake! Surely if you earn that much you don't need it, and it's your responsibility to pay for your offspring not the state.

Not living in UK. maybe I am out of touch, but I gotta say that 30k doesn't sound like a huge salary, especially in the South. Not that I am advocating giving tens of thousands out to one family each year, whilst the potential earner does sweet F.A.

Tell that to the many people on alot less.

£30,000 is way above the national average wage, and alot of people work very hard for very little thanks from anyone, and get alot less than that without complaint from them.

It's a bloody ridiculous state of affairs that an honest decent person can struggle on working full time paying taxes, not being entitled to other stuff such as free prescriptions etc, yet they're worse off than one of the many scroungers who play the system, and get the money without sacrificing the time.

One problem I'm aware of through dealing with many, many of the 'social underclass' who live their lives on benefits, is that they have a sense of entitlement and think society owes them a bloody living. The fact that the authorities bend over backwards to take money off the honest and tell the welfarers what they are 'entitled to' doesn't bloody help either.
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« Reply #17 on: 22 January 2012, 00:08:50 »

And one more thing cos this really pi**es me off. All the families claiming for many kids, pets and god knows what. Someone needs to tell them to take responsibility for their own lives. Their choice to have many kids, their choice to .... well, everything really. People (adults) just don't grasp that their life is their responsibility, nobody elses. They made their choices, now deal with it.

This is a result of years of socialist government.Its their standard method of operating to have people believe its the governments responsibilty to provide for them, rather than their own responsibility. ;)
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« Reply #18 on: 22 January 2012, 08:49:34 »

I can't see any end to it though, the attitude of labour and lib dems is inconceivable, and the tories aren't a real tory party. No-one will dare chmake the drastic changes needed for fear of losing votes as the 'benefits' culture is so widespread. People who earn just shy of 30k get chid benefit for flip sake! Surely if you earn that much you don't need it, and it's your responsibility to pay for your offspring not the state.

Not living in UK. maybe I am out of touch, but I gotta say that 30k doesn't sound like a huge salary, especially in the South. Not that I am advocating giving tens of thousands out to one family each year, whilst the potential earner does sweet F.A.

Tell that to the many people on alot less.

£30,000 is way above the national average wage, and alot of people work very hard for very little thanks from anyone, and get alot less than that without complaint from them.

It's a bloody ridiculous state of affairs that an honest decent person can struggle on working full time paying taxes, not being entitled to other stuff such as free prescriptions etc, yet they're worse off than one of the many scroungers who play the system, and get the money without sacrificing the time.

One problem I'm aware of through dealing with many, many of the 'social underclass' who live their lives on benefits, is that they have a sense of entitlement and think society owes them a bloody living. The fact that the authorities bend over backwards to take money off the honest and tell the welfarers what they are 'entitled to' doesn't bloody help either.


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One problem I'm aware of through dealing with many, many of the 'social underclass' who live their lives on benefits, is that they have a sense of entitlement and think society owes them a bloody living.


Yes, I came to that conclusion during my first week as a probationer constable 35 (odd) years ago and, sadly, that sense of entitlement seems to have even greater resonance today thanks to a fundamental disconnect between those at Westminster and any form of practical reality.
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« Reply #19 on: 22 January 2012, 09:14:42 »

The Government is currently passing a new bill on welfare through Parliament at the moment, part of this is to limit all welfare payments to a maximum of £26,000pa.  :y

Ian Duncan-Smith admins there are a number of benefit claimants with large families, especially in London, who get more than £100,000pa. He say the new measures will be liberating for them as they can now get an average wage job, without a big decrease in benefits, which is trapping them from doing this.

This I think is a reasonable comment and it shows how far our benefits system is devoid from the realities of the average hard working family.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

But then you get that left wing Limpdem tw*t Simon Hughes, who's comment "We cannot allow families to be unjustifiably and retrospectively penalised and left with not enough money to stay in their homes and be literally forced onto the street".

So it's alright then that families that have been pushed over the financial edge, due to NIC, VAT and council tax rises and had their houses repossessed and are out on the street, as long as they should continue to be good tax payers and fund the £100,000+ benefit claimants.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

With tw*ts like him and all the other do gooders in Parliament, you can see why welfare is where it is, and is by far the Governments biggest bill. That's why for the average earning taxpayer in this country are typically paying 45-50% of what their economic activity earns in taxes and suffering as a consequence.  >:( >:( >:(

I cannot disagree with this as, up to the moment at least, many in government and associated agencies seem to have accepted this as being the only (easier) way to address the (now increasing) problem of people choosing how to live, without necessarily accepting the consequences of their actions, while believing society will provide for them whatever the cost.

I’m not particularly party political but I’ve found that, more than most, any group professing themselves to be of liberal or democratic orientation are about as much use as the full of an arse of roasted snow.

The political system and the standards held by many of its incumbents in this country simply beggars belief.
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Re: Welfare Cap
« Reply #20 on: 22 January 2012, 17:16:54 »

I, for one, would love to have an average wage of 26k+ a year.  I'm barely getting by on £8320 a year!  The most I've been lucky to earn was 21k :(
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« Reply #21 on: 22 January 2012, 17:54:39 »

I, for one, would love to have an average wage of 26k+ a year.  I'm barely getting by on £8320 a year!  The most I've been lucky to earn was 21k :(
Exactly, and as I think Albs has said, you'd have to be earning £40K to take that much home. No wonder you get people content to sit on their arses and rake in the money  >:(

Can't see anyone being 'brave' enough to risk votes though
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Re: Welfare Cap
« Reply #22 on: 22 January 2012, 18:03:07 »

I, for one, would love to have an average wage of 26k+ a year.  I'm barely getting by on £8320 a year!  The most I've been lucky to earn was 21k :(
Exactly, and as I think Albs has said, you'd have to be earning £40K to take that much home. No wonder you get people content to sit on their arses and rake in the money  >:(

Can't see anyone being 'brave' enough to risk votes though

I would be, but then again I wouldn't be in power as it's only a certain sort of person that ends up in power, an arrogant prk who says 'do as i say not as i do'. And they wouldn't vote in anyone who rocked the boat or who had different ideas, preferring just to be safe.

Britain's lost its way, we could do with a 'return to old values' type approach. I'm all for a bit of cleansing, we need to find a new Australia and pack a few (million) people off there.  :)

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« Reply #23 on: 22 January 2012, 18:05:28 »

I, for one, would love to have an average wage of 26k+ a year.  I'm barely getting by on £8320 a year!  The most I've been lucky to earn was 21k :(
Exactly, and as I think Albs has said, you'd have to be earning £40K to take that much home. No wonder you get people content to sit on their arses and rake in the money  >:(

Can't see anyone being 'brave' enough to risk votes though

I would be, but then again I wouldn't be in power as it's only a certain sort of person that ends up in power, an arrogant prk who says 'do as i say not as i do'. And they wouldn't vote in anyone who rocked the boat or who had different ideas, preferring just to be safe.

Britain's lost its way, we could do with a 'return to old values' type approach. I'm all for a bit of cleansing, we need to find a new Australia and pack a few (million) people off there.  :)

Antarctica's free  :)
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« Reply #24 on: 22 January 2012, 18:12:04 »

I, for one, would love to have an average wage of 26k+ a year.  I'm barely getting by on £8320 a year!  The most I've been lucky to earn was 21k :(
Exactly, and as I think Albs has said, you'd have to be earning £40K to take that much home. No wonder you get people content to sit on their arses and rake in the money  >:(

Can't see anyone being 'brave' enough to risk votes though

I would be, but then again I wouldn't be in power as it's only a certain sort of person that ends up in power, an arrogant prk who says 'do as i say not as i do'. And they wouldn't vote in anyone who rocked the boat or who had different ideas, preferring just to be safe.

Britain's lost its way, we could do with a 'return to old values' type approach. I'm all for a bit of cleansing, we need to find a new Australia and pack a few (million) people off there.  :)

Antarctica's free  :)

Good idea! Then they'd have to work to stay warm or die! And the weaker ones would be picked off by polar bears. it'd be a win win situation!
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« Reply #25 on: 22 January 2012, 19:37:26 »

 ;) so i would be sacrificed trough no fault of my own
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« Reply #26 on: 22 January 2012, 23:09:53 »

;) so i would be sacrificed trough no fault of my own

You and me both, but I understand the point..... :y  I am lucky in so much as I am able to continue working, at the moment.... :y
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« Reply #27 on: 22 January 2012, 23:57:53 »

I'm not surprised that people manage to claim huge amounts. When I was off sick my entitlement to SSP ran out and I was advised to claim the contributions based element of Employment and Support Allowance. When ringing up to claim this they kept trying to get me to claim for other things, which I kept telling them I was neither entitled to or wanted to claim >:(

I haven't had a wage since August, not had ESA since the end of September when my employment ended. I don't want or intend to try claiming anything as I have set up my business and it is on the verge of delivering me a wage :y

Unfortunately, as has already been stated, too many people are of the "Me, me, me" netality and think that the world owes them a living >:( >:( >:(
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