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[TheBoy]

I have a hatred of the nanny state which runs at least as deep as it does with you,but, this is nothing to do with that.Your simply jumping to the conclusion that it is.I repeat - if you take the time to study the facts of the case,you just might not make ludicrous,crassly insensitive statements about the horrific deaths of two poor little girls. I think I ought to try to stay away from this thread for a while,as I may well say something which initiates a ban.

Wouldn't be the end of the world Albs.

If I have read the intentions of that remark correctly, I think you could be close to a ban chrisgixer 

(apologies if I have misread the meaning)

...from Albs's point of view. Should we shy away from our opinions to please an Admin. I think not.

Not sure I understand what you are getting at, sorry  .  Remember I'm just the stupid kid from the local comp, just intelligent enough to cross a level crossing

Also, please bear in mind, here I am a member just like anyone else. Moderator hat only goes on when required. You know that better than most. My views are no more important or unimportant than anyone elses.

Alb's viewpoint is absolutely as valid as mine. We just happen to differ on which is the correct viewpoint. But we are both allowed to share our sides of the debate, as long as its not outside expected behaviour here.


Seems I misread your tone, sorry for that. Truely 

we where all fine til you came on     ...

Sorreeeee 

[cem_devecioglu]

there are always 2 sides of coin.. in that case , the officials didnt take the necessary precaution , as understood from the report.. and the girls unfortunately made the deadly mistake.. sadly there is no way to bring them back, but I hope they dont die for nothing and the officials do everything necessary..

Whilst I fully understand, and to some extent agree with what you are saying, I have to, errrrr, disagree . To an extent.


Here is a not dissimilar scenario.

About 5yrs ago, in Oxford, a woman had taken her kids, and some others, to a birthday party. At some point, they had to change venue (can't remember specifics, maybe from McDonalds to the birthday boy's house??), but there were only 2 adults/cars. So one of the women packed about 10 kids in her people carrier, and proceeded along the Oxford ringroad, a fast dual carriageway, with no central barrier, as the verge between carriageways was very wide.

Anyway, as she approached the MINI plant, she was obviously distracted by one of the kids in the back, and she swerved, crossed the reservation, into oncoming traffic. All killed. Sadly. Tradgically.

Because it had to be somebody's fault, and it couldn't possibly be the parent being wholly irresponsible having that many kids in the car (insured for 7, not 11), and not concentrating on driving, the end result is it had to be the fault of the authorities, so now its a 50mph limit (and a central barrier of concrete K rails built).

Ridiculous.

yep.. seen your point of view, but this is rather an extreme case where repeating  occasions can be hardly found though not impossible..however,  in most of those events, personally I prefer the officials take the precautions for people even lower than avg perception.. trust me even you or I could be in the same position when our heads are busy with job, or sad from some problem ..  or anyone..

[albitz]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-16786369

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/9051569/Network-Rail-pleads-guilty-over-girls-deaths.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2094340/Network-Rail-admits-health-safety-breach-Essex-level-crossing-deaths.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/15929209

[Crazycarzowner]

Yep, I know what you mean TB & what you've also got to think is how far exactly do you go with 'safety measures' these days? For example - IF the gates lock automatically it may have stopped the 2 girls from crossing, but who's to say someone else wouldn't have jumped the fence? I've seen it done on many a CCTV video. Car drivers drive through the barriers going down. So how high are the fences / gates built? How many flashing signs & warnings do you put up? If you lock the gates how do you make sure no one gets locked on the wrong side? The list goes on..... Common sense should prevail.

[feeutfo]

So what sort of society doesn't cater for all? Similar could have happened from a blow out or mechanical failure (could, I hate that word in this context) although in your example I take your point.
I agree the idiots seem to be winning. ( sirFred Goodwin)

Edit.
Bah, meant to quote TB's example

[scimmy_man]

locking the gates may lock them on the track between the gates.

[feeutfo]

I have a hatred of the nanny state which runs at least as deep as it does with you,but, this is nothing to do with that.Your simply jumping to the conclusion that it is.I repeat - if you take the time to study the facts of the case,you just might not make ludicrous,crassly insensitive statements about the horrific deaths of two poor little girls. I think I ought to try to stay away from this thread for a while,as I may well say something which initiates a ban.

Wouldn't be the end of the world Albs.

If I have read the intentions of that remark correctly, I think you could be close to a ban chrisgixer 

(apologies if I have misread the meaning)

...from Albs's point of view. Should we shy away from our opinions to please an Admin. I think not.

Not sure I understand what you are getting at, sorry  .  Remember I'm just the stupid kid from the local comp, just intelligent enough to cross a level crossing

Also, please bear in mind, here I am a member just like anyone else. Moderator hat only goes on when required. You know that better than most. My views are no more important or unimportant than anyone elses.

Alb's viewpoint is absolutely as valid as mine. We just happen to differ on which is the correct viewpoint. But we are both allowed to share our sides of the debate, as long as its not outside expected behaviour here.


Seems I misread your tone, sorry for that. Truely 

we where all fine til you came on     ...

Sorreeeee 

That's ok, now take a days ban and behave in future.     

[cem_devecioglu]

now you will laugh, but when in London the signs "Look right" saved my arse many times

[feeutfo]

now you will laugh, but when in London the signs "Look right" saved my arse many times

There ya go see. Don't get that in Europe for us pondy Brits do we...?

[TheBoy]

yep.. seen your point of view, but this is rather an extreme case where repeating  occasions can be hardly found though not impossible..however,  in most of those events, personally I prefer the officials take the precautions for people even lower than avg perception.. trust me even you or I could be in the same position when our heads are busy with job, or sad from some problem ..  or anyone..

Not sure, in this case, it could. There were enough clues - flashing lights, sirens, barriers down on road.  Surely anyone would look before crossing no matter what the lights/sirens etc doing anyway? Moreso with all the warnings going off.

I accept that many youngsters are too occupied with their electronic gadgets, and have no awareness of there surroundings.  This happens on roads in the UK now, as well.  Kids just walk straight out. Only that rarely hits the national headlines. Rarely hits the local news TBH.

IMHO, its not difficult to bring back our long lost friend, common sense. It just needs a change of culture, away from blame/compensation, and towards personal responsibility.

[cem_devecioglu]

now you will laugh, but when in London the signs "Look right" saved my arse many times

There ya go see. Don't get that in Europe for us pondy Brits do we...?

here we dont have.. and you will be really in danger.. habits not that easy to change

[TheBoy]

now you will laugh, but when in London the signs "Look right" saved my arse many times

There ya go see. Don't get that in Europe for us pondy Brits do we...?

I've never got knocked down in Europe either (probably will now ).  My brother's youngest nearly did 6 or 7yrs ago - was too busy playing on a handheld gayStation, was just about to walk out into a busy road without looking, fortunately we saw what was happening with about a yard to go.  Absolutely no common sense (then).

[cem_devecioglu]

yep.. seen your point of view, but this is rather an extreme case where repeating  occasions can be hardly found though not impossible..however,  in most of those events, personally I prefer the officials take the precautions for people even lower than avg perception.. trust me even you or I could be in the same position when our heads are busy with job, or sad from some problem ..  or anyone..

Not sure, in this case, it could. There were enough clues - flashing lights, sirens, barriers down on road.  Surely anyone would look before crossing no matter what the lights/sirens etc doing anyway? Moreso with all the warnings going off.

I accept that many youngsters are too occupied with their electronic gadgets, and have no awareness of there surroundings.  This happens on roads in the UK now, as well.  Kids just walk straight out. Only that rarely hits the national headlines. Rarely hits the local news TBH.

IMHO, its not difficult to bring back our long lost friend, common sense. It just needs a change of culture, away from blame/compensation, and towards personal responsibility.

must say I cant be objective on these subjects.. I have lost my 18 year old cousin (she was about to marry) on a similiar traffic accident when she was passing the road ..   she was coming back from another city searching for job..

[tidla]

Don't know about others, but as a kid, i did some pretty stupid things. At the time it was a laugh. You got away with it and no one (or yourself) got hurt. When you get older, you realize how stupid your actions were and are grateful to have the privilege of life experience.
Sometimes, regardless of what your 17 year old tells you, they don't know everything.

[TheBoy]

must say I cant be objective on these subjects.. I have lost my 18 year old cousin (she was about to marry) on a similiar traffic accident when she was passing the road ..   she was coming back from another city searching for job..

Its a skill & curse I have learnt, being able to step back and try to see things from everyone's viewpoint.

Whilst it can be extremely useful in some scenarios, esp in my working life, it can also make one appear heartless and cold.