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[Doctor Gollum]

I'm with Gav on this one

With my PFl / 3ltr engine, you seemed to have a bit of spin which in some cases got you off the line quicker

With this manual box / 3.2 engine, the TC is very hard to manipulate on the throttle

You can turn it off incidentally,  I wonder if the software has slightly different thresholds for each box Clutch slip vs slushbox slip... never did that many miles in the auto 3.2 to get a proper feel, and the lsd in the plod worked a treat with TC only really being apparent in snow...

[tigers_gonads]

I'm with Gav on this one

With my PFl / 3ltr engine, you seemed to have a bit of spin which in some cases got you off the line quicker

With this manual box / 3.2 engine, the TC is very hard to manipulate on the throttle

You can turn it off incidentally,  I wonder if the software has slightly different thresholds for each box Clutch slip vs slushbox slip... never did that many miles in the auto 3.2 to get a proper feel, and the lsd in the plod worked a treat with TC only really being apparent in snow...

Iirc, I had a conversation with Kev Wood a few years back about this so that's a distinct possibility Al ......

I've only ever had one slushbox and that went last year thank opps 

[Mr Gav]

I'm with Gav on this one

With my PFl / 3ltr engine, you seemed to have a bit of spin which in some cases got you off the line quicker

With this manual box / 3.2 engine, the TC is very hard to manipulate on the throttle

I found it easier to feather the throttle, I wasn`t fond of headbutting the steering wheel when the TC kicked in

I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit 

Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot 

Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible.

I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse 

Never had a problem with TC on either 3.2

Do they use the same software?

I found the 3.0l just felt like it had cut the fuel, then after what felt like seconds chimed back in again

[Mr Gav]

You can turn it off incidentally,  I wonder if the software has slightly different thresholds for each box Clutch slip vs slushbox slip... never did that many miles in the auto 3.2 to get a proper feel, and the lsd in the plod worked a treat with TC only really being apparent in snow...

I did 

[anV6]

I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit 

Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot 

Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible.

I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse 

That bad uh.

But that is speaking from a going around corners and moving fast point of view right. What about for example to get some traction on ice, snow etc? Is it at least useful for that? Regardless of PFL, MFL or FL.

[anV6]

And I know that if I want the safest Omega I should buy a 2003 or better yet, just a newer car. But I have settled on an Omega for now and I haven't found a 2003 that fit.

This was the point I was addressing. I merely reiterated what I told you in your first thread.

If you like the earlier car, buy it.

If you want a safer car, buy that.

You can have both, but it takes imagination, cash and time, and I get the distinct impression that you're at least one short

Sure Gollum. I already understood that. 

But I'm obviously interested in the ins and outs of having "both" like you say. 

[Mr Gav]

I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit 

Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot 

Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible.

I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse 

That bad uh.

But that is speaking from a going around corners and moving fast point of view right. What about for example to get some traction on ice, snow etc? Is it at least useful for that? Regardless of PFL, MFL or FL.

More from pulling out of awkward junctions, as for snow and ice...it stayed at home 

[Doctor Gollum]

I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit 

Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot 

Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible.

I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse 

That bad uh.

But that is speaking from a going around corners and moving fast point of view right. What about for example to get some traction on ice, snow etc? Is it at least useful for that? Regardless of PFL, MFL or FL.

More from pulling out of awkward junctions, as for snow and ice...it stayed at home 

Adding lock provides a lot of leverage

[VXL V6]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws-_syszg84

[Andy B]

.....
Because differently from the hecklers who I no longer acknowledge,  ....

Do you think he means me? 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Funny thing.... I used to think OOF was a place where people came to talk about Omegas.  Now it seems that it's a place where people come to get abuse for wanting to talk about Omegas. 

[Mr Gav]

Funny thing.... I used to think OOF was a place where people came to talk about Omegas.  Now it seems that it's a place where people come to get abuse for wanting to talk about Omegas. 

I agree with you there Sir Tigger, while he might rattle on a bit he's not doing any harm 

[STEMO]

The point of a forum is to discuss. If someone is obsessed with a particular subject and is starting to get repetitive, you have a choice. Join in or leave it alone. Unfortunately, some people seem incapable of exercising this choice.

[TheBoy]

MFL safety features are not retrofittable back to a PFL.  Obviously, whilst nothing is impossible, it would be too impractical to try.

As to the TC functionality, PFL just cuts engine, MFL/FL try to brake the spinning wheel, and if unsuccessful, cuts engine power.  The difference is quite useful if you have any ability and feeling of the chassis, but if you are lazy/slow/stupid, both feel like somebody has chained it to the road.  Modern systems are less intrusive at the point of having to adjust engine power (but all too often too intrusive as when the system begins to activate). The PFL system is far more reliable, as the MFL/FL V6 ABS unit has a known reliability issue with its ECU.

[TheBoy]

Funny thing.... I used to think OOF was a place where people came to talk about Omegas.  Now it seems that it's a place where people come to get abuse for wanting to talk about Omegas. 

Well said Sir Tigger.  I agree wholeheartedly.