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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #390 on: 30 March 2010, 21:47:46 »

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Deal done on a set of known good lifters.

Oil should be fine....it will only take 3 hours or so to fit them and jobs a good un
:D :D :D

Not sure I understand why letting it roast would/could quieten down more than running for a few mins (surely after a few mins, the oil should have pumped up lifters (as I assume that lifters aren't clogged with old oil, given the oil service strategy))?

But, give it a ragging and the oil pressure runs higher until the pressure relief opens
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #391 on: 30 March 2010, 21:49:00 »

now the saying

"the patience suddenly recovers when at the doctor" ;D :y
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #392 on: 30 March 2010, 21:51:15 »

Ow, those plug leads are chuffing huge, what yah gonna do, relocate the dis pack under the passenger seat.
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« Reply #393 on: 30 March 2010, 21:51:46 »

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Deal done on a set of known good lifters.

Oil should be fine....it will only take 3 hours or so to fit them and jobs a good un
TFFT. :)
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #394 on: 30 March 2010, 21:52:29 »

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Deal done on a set of known good lifters.

Oil should be fine....it will only take 3 hours or so to fit them and jobs a good un
:D :D :D

Not sure I understand why letting it roast would/could quieten down more than running for a few mins (surely after a few mins, the oil should have pumped up lifters (as I assume that lifters aren't clogged with old oil, given the oil service strategy))?

But, give it a ragging and the oil pressure runs higher until the pressure relief opens
Its had a few of them in its time...
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #395 on: 30 March 2010, 21:52:37 »

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Deal done on a set of known good lifters.

Oil should be fine....it will only take 3 hours or so to fit them and jobs a good un
:D :D :D

Not sure I understand why letting it roast would/could quieten down more than running for a few mins (surely after a few mins, the oil should have pumped up lifters (as I assume that lifters aren't clogged with old oil, given the oil service strategy))?

But, give it a ragging and the oil pressure runs higher until the pressure relief opens
Can I quote that next time the passenger seat moans "Slow Down!"


"Mr DTM says I have to drive aggressively to protect the engine" ::)
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #396 on: 30 March 2010, 21:53:35 »

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Ow, those plug leads are chuffing huge, what yah gonna do, relocate the dis pack under the passenger seat.
If you've gotta take plenum off, can you slap originals back on (they were in boot iirc), then I can return those leads to 2woody
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #397 on: 30 March 2010, 21:54:59 »

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Ow, those plug leads are chuffing huge, what yah gonna do, relocate the dis pack under the passenger seat.
If you've gotta take plenum off, can you slap originals back on (they were in boot iirc), then I can return those leads to 2woody

Sure, no problem
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« Reply #398 on: 30 March 2010, 22:10:05 »

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Its back together and running.

No fault codes

No exhaust tick

A light tap noise can be heard, I have heard worse though

Injector cutoff test done......all cylinders firing, tap noise does not change in volume.....this effectively rules out the bottom end as the lack of firing on a cylinder would reduce the load on little and big end bearings hence the noice generaly stops or at least significantly quietens down under this test.
Now, I did notice a slightyly weak follower on No 1 cylinder inlet valve no 2.....

So.....2 choices.....get it stinking hot and see if it quietens down or (and the prefered choice), swap the followers on No1 bank.


I re-read the last pages.. I find this quite interesting.. :y :y
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #399 on: 30 March 2010, 22:15:21 »

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Its back together and running.

No fault codes

No exhaust tick

A light tap noise can be heard, I have heard worse though

Injector cutoff test done......all cylinders firing, tap noise does not change in volume.....this effectively rules out the bottom end as the lack of firing on a cylinder would reduce the load on little and big end bearings hence the noise generaly stops or at least significantly quietens down under this test.
Now, I did notice a slightyly weak follower on No 1 cylinder inlet valve no 2.....

So.....2 choices.....get it stinking hot and see if it quietens down or (and the prefered choice), swap the followers on No1 bank.


I re-read the last pages.. I find this quite interesting.. :y :y

If you know how to use a diagnostic tool well.....you can do loads of tests even on mechanical bits   :y
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #400 on: 30 March 2010, 23:01:35 »

I do hope this car hasn't been towed all the way to Nottingham for a new lifter. :-[ (Well, I do, of course...)  :-/

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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #401 on: 30 March 2010, 23:09:11 »

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Deal done on a set of known good lifters.

Oil should be fine....it will only take 3 hours or so to fit them and jobs a good un
:D :D :D

Not sure I understand why letting it roast would/could quieten down more than running for a few mins (surely after a few mins, the oil should have pumped up lifters (as I assume that lifters aren't clogged with old oil, given the oil service strategy))?

But, give it a ragging and the oil pressure runs higher until the pressure relief opens

When does it not have a good ragging in TB's ownership?  ;D
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #402 on: 31 March 2010, 08:56:26 »

Fantastic news... Sounds like the silver bullet will be back on the road soon :y :y
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #403 on: 31 March 2010, 09:02:17 »

Are we saying that the majority of the noise was from EGR, with a helping hand from a lazy follower?
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Re: Engine noise, terminal?
« Reply #404 on: 31 March 2010, 09:17:00 »

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Its back together and running.

No fault codes

No exhaust tick

A light tap noise can be heard, I have heard worse though

Injector cutoff test done......all cylinders firing, tap noise does not change in volume.....this effectively rules out the bottom end as the lack of firing on a cylinder would reduce the load on little and big end bearings hence the noice generaly stops or at least significantly quietens down under this test.
Now, I did notice a slightyly weak follower on No 1 cylinder inlet valve no 2.....

So.....2 choices.....get it stinking hot and see if it quietens down or (and the prefered choice), swap the followers on No1 bank.


I re-read the last pages.. I find this quite interesting.. :y :y

so do I. In fact I'd say that's wrong. At idle, probably 80% of the load a big end sees is rotational and not firing-load induced. at maximum speed, the inertial load will be 99+% of the total load.
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