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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Toledodude1973 on 24 September 2013, 19:50:23
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When considering changing the cambelt what parts will i need ,do i need a new water pump, think doing it myself is too risky so would i be best getting genuine bits or pattern, then approach garage with parts and get a quote. One last thing what are the costs involved, would hate to ruin my car after finally getting it back on the road by neglecting cambelt ,thanks for help
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Not essential to do waterpump. See how much play there is in it first.
As not many garages can live up to their claims when doing GM V6 cambelts, I'd see if you can get an OOFer to do it - even if it means a nice day out somewhere.
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Thanks Tb so should i get the necessary parts and then put out a help message if so what parts do i actually ned to get?
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Timing belt kit - Contitech kits are fine for V6s - http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/buy/VAUXHALL/OMEGA/2.6/2002/__/48/service-parts/major-service/timing-belts/ (http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/buy/VAUXHALL/OMEGA/2.6/2002/__/48/service-parts/major-service/timing-belts/)
HTH :y
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.......... and a locking kit to put it on with :y :y :y
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If the front end is stipped down isnt it best to replace the water pump for a relatively low cost as long as you dont use a GM one. I must admit however that when my cam belt was done recently the pump taken off, a GM, did not appear to have any movement on the bearing. The other problem is which pump to purchase now that QH has gone ( I wonder who manufactured the QH pump)
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Previous thinking was that it was worth changing the water pumps with timing belts due to the time and effort to get to it. This was ok until recently. The quality of water pumps, pattern and GM has dropped significantly, I have seen one go spectacularly after a couple of years. Now the thinking is that unless it has play in it then best leave the pump in their alone.
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too late changed with what was said to be a Conti pump from buy parts by. Are we saying that a reliable pump cant be purchased? :-X
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too late changed with what was said to be a Conti pump from buy parts by. Are we saying that a reliable pump cant be purchased? :-X
Was it not a conti we fitted to yours? I've never had an issue with these, though I would change it every belt change just as " belt and braces "
The only pattern ones I've seen fail are the ones with the extra thin pulley on the outside requiring shorter bolts
I'm sure yours will be fine, so sure, if it fails inside of 40k, I will change it FOC :y
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sent PM James
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Will reply in detail tomorrow :y
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too late changed with what was said to be a Conti pump from buy parts by. Are we saying that a reliable pump cant be purchased? :-X
Was it not a conti we fitted to yours? I've never had an issue with these, though I would change it every belt change just as " belt and braces "
The only pattern ones I've seen fail are the ones with the extra thin pulley on the outside requiring shorter bolts
I'm sure yours will be fine, so sure, if it fails inside of40k, I will change it FOC :y
just to make clear
you give 40k warranty on parts ??
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Hello James yes I was told by Buy Parts Buy that it was a Conti so hope it lasts 4 years. You cant be expected to replace a pump free of charge when I purchased it and you just fitted it that is customer service gone too far.Thanks again for the cam belt job the car runs better now than it ever has. Just a note for other OOFS When James did my cam belt he found that the previous belt was one tooth out the old belt was fitted by a garage. Thank god for our experts.
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Hello James yes I was told by Buy Parts Buy that it was a Conti so hope it lasts 4 years. You cant be expected to replace a pump free of charge when I purchased it and you just fitted it that is customer service gone too far.Thanks again for the cam belt job the car runs better now than it ever has. Just a note for other OOFS When James did my cam belt he found that the previous belt was one tooth out the old belt was fitted by a garage. Thank god for our experts.
I had a run of finding belts which weren't properly set up. I wonder if its just a sign of general garages not having the kit to do the GM v6!
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I wonder if its just a sign of general garages not having the kit to do the GM v6!
Could very well be
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How desperate is this? If James can't help out then I can probably supervise you doing it in the new year
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Thanks for offer of help LD, its actually 6 months overdue now, after all the grief the beast caused me earlier in the year(really appreciated your help)i didn't want something as obvious as the belt killing the car! James has agreed to help so i'll get it sorted sooner than later. Hope your still availiable for other problems which might occur in the future cheers Paul
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Yep, no problem. If James is coming over, let me know when and I might pop around :y
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Yes he's going to contact me soon, i'll let you know when , kind of a mini meet!
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Wish i lived closer :y
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I wouldn't worry about the belt mine is a 2000 v6 maintained and moted by a Vauxhall dealer from new all same garage done 61,000 miles and never had a belt can covers leak so some smoke out the bonnet but clears after about 30 miles when towing car was one owner from new and only 2 bits of rust on it and goes like a dream apart from slight hunt when first starting and dash illumination dips with it
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I wouldn't worry about the belt mine is a 2000 v6 maintained and moted by a Vauxhall dealer from new all same garage done 61,000 miles and never had a belt can covers leak so some smoke out the bonnet but clears after about 30 miles when towing car was one owner from new and only 2 bits of rust on it and goes like a dream apart from slight hunt when first starting and dash illumination dips with it
So smoke out of the bonnet? ???
Might want to check those cam covers ::)
Cambelts must be done every 4 years, or 40k which ever is first. However as many have stated, water pump is not critical on V6, but main drive belt is ;)
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I wouldn't worry about the belt mine is a 2000 v6 maintained and moted by a Vauxhall dealer from new all same garage done 61,000 miles and never had a belt can covers leak so some smoke out the bonnet but clears after about 30 miles when towing car was one owner from new and only 2 bits of rust on it and goes like a dream apart from slight hunt when first starting and dash illumination dips with it
As said belt kit at 40K or 4 years - your luck is holding at the moment!! Says a lot for the level of service of your Vx dealer for cam belt leakage and smoking as well!! Bet they've never done the breathers either!! Not impressed generally with Vx garages level of knowledge or level of service.
As an example the Vx main dealer in Corby fitted new front discs and pads to our Estate prior to us buying it (discs/pads were MOT failure) - and instead of fittind new brake wear sensor, chopped and shorted out old one!! Pillocks.
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I know the cam covers seep but seals when engine gets hot dealer changed water pump but never did the belt glad it's not my local dealer just not got the knowledge to do belt or covers and can't justify £350 to have the work done might sell it or scrap it if belt breaks
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I know the cam covers seep but seals when engine gets hot dealer changed water pump but never did the belt glad it's not my local dealer just not got the knowledge to do belt or covers and can't justify £350 to have the work done might sell it or scrap it if belt breaks
Hard work to read that, might want to think of some punctuation in there ;)
Leaking cam covers when cold is not a good sign, you are saying it takes 30 miles to clear :o
I'd advise you change the belt, as if that goes it end of the road really. Why take the risk over quite a small charge?
Speak to some of the OOF mechanics here, they can do it for a lot less than £350 :y :y
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Not sure if this is a wind up TBH :-\ :-\ :-\
Even at £350, what can you buy that's known and reliable for £350? ::) ::)
ach to their own I s'pose... I'm quite happy with the £000's I'm spending on mine as it's a known entity, not starting from scratch with an unknown. Once all the niggly bits are done on mine it will be almost new (mechanically) at 100k :y
Let's make this clear... It has been known for tensioners to fail at a shade over 40k (in fact, one failed at about 4 miles but that's another story!) so the advice is 40k or 4 years. Any other comments by Fred's neighbour's son's mate down the pub that they can be left is utter 'dangle berries'! Not abiding by the service interval is like playing Russian Roulette with your engine ::)
EDIT: Not the bit from Toledodude, the comments by Simon.
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Yep.. ::) And no matter how cheap the car is, you've got to pay for routine maintenance and consumables or you're going nowhere. £350 is peanuts for 40k miles motoring. Work out what you spend on tyres and fuel in that distance. ;)
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On that basis my car isn't worth the price of an oil filter ::)
Hell I probably shouldn't wash it either...
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On that basis my car isn't worth the price of an oil filter ::)
Hell I probably shouldn't wash it either...
I'm wondering if it's worth spending so much time driving mine. ;D
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On that basis my car isn't worth the price of an oil filter ::)
Hell I probably shouldn't wash it either...
I'm wondering if it's worth spending so much time driving mine. ;D
Well with winter on the way why would anyone want a car with a heater, heated seats or even a roof for that matter ::)
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On that basis my car isn't worth the price of an oil filter ::)
Hell I probably shouldn't wash it either...
I'm wondering if it's worth spending so much time driving mine. ;D
Well with winter on the way why would anyone want a car with a heater, heated seats or even a roof for that matter ::)
Well, you might if you're a girl, I suppose. ;) One that exhibits a modicum of traction when faced with an icy road surface, on the other hand... :-X
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Which is where the 1200kg weight difference actually works in the Omegas favour for once ;D
Seriously considering replacing the heater matrix and thermostat before the end of October... ::)
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James you seem to have disappeared on me, ??? i have a new cunning plan which doesn't involve you travelling , pm me please if you're still available
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Hmm did you get my emails earlier? You are the chap from Peterborough wanting it done on the 12th, right? :)
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No James i've had no replies from yourself , i'm in Ipswich
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I am ever so sorry, I have confused you with someone else, I thought I had emailed you. Yes I'm more than happy to help, are weekdays ok? :)
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Yes James ,i'm off 17,18 october ,any good? shall i PM yourself
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No it's not a wind up but if you want to lend me the money to do it and how much do you put towards a car my last one cost me £2,500 and I spent £2,500 on it in repairs should I of spent another £500 on it I got rid and brought the omega as a stop gap but finances and time mean I can't pay garage prices and I work away all week so stuck between a rock and a hard place
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No it's not a wind up but if you want to lend me the money to do it and how much do you put towards a car my last one cost me £2,500 and I spent £2,500 on it in repairs should I of spent another £500 on it I got rid and brought the omega as a stop gap but finances and time mean I can't pay garage prices and I work away all week so stuck between a rock and a hard place
That's fine, it's your car and your money ;) But don't give bad advice to people who are willing to maintain their cars properly ::)
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Had you bought an Omega instead of your last car, you would probably be £2k better off... either way, not servicing a car is a guaranteed way to have to spend alot more money on it, as it will definitely break more often than a well maintained one :-\
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I wasn't giving bad advice I've always maintained my cars and regularly serviced them but at the min times are hard and I know I'm living on borrowed time and there not many on here who near me that can do the covers and belts or they haven't come forward there was one but we could never seem to find a time when both available and local garage wants £500 for the jobs
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Have just seen James and emailed him and I'll go from there
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I know the cam covers seep but seals when engine gets hot dealer changed water pump but never did the belt glad it's not my local dealer just not got the knowledge to do belt or covers and can't justify £350 to have the work done might sell it or scrap it if belt breaks
I seem to recall an OOFer was offering to do this for £100 inc. parts, and it would be done properly!
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I wasn't giving bad advice I've always maintained my cars and regularly serviced them but at the min times are hard and I know I'm living on borrowed time and there not many on here who near me that can do the covers and belts or they haven't come forward there was one but we could never seem to find a time when both available and local garage wants £500 for the jobs
Sorry mate, but just because you say you can't afford to have your cam belt kit done, don't give the impression to others that its ok to ignore a fundementally important servicing issue - that's not helpful! >:(
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Well after being slated on here and I wasn't giving advice just stating how long my belt had been on I got I touch with James and he came yesterday in the pouring rain and changed my belt it wasn't in bad condition but needed doing had started to get lose and the timing was slightly out he also did my cam covers only prob he found was a leak from the water pump that had been changed by Vauxhall couple years ago but it wasn't the pump it was the mounting bolts being hand tight once he tightened them it stopped the leak I do not or have ever condoned leaving the belt over the manufactured limits but as my car had been serviced and moted by the same dealer from new with full history I wrongly assumed it had been done as the car had only done 61,000 miles so buyer beware and don't assume it's been done the car is now running a lot better and I'll be keeping it for a few years yet
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Well after being slated on here and I wasn't giving advice just stating how long my belt had been on I got I touch with James and he came yesterday in the pouring rain and changed my belt it wasn't in bad condition but needed doing had started to get lose and the timing was slightly out he also did my cam covers only prob he found was a leak from the water pump that had been changed by Vauxhall couple years ago but it wasn't the pump it was the mounting bolts being hand tight once he tightened them it stopped the leak I do not or have ever condoned leaving the belt over the manufactured limits but as my car had been serviced and moted by the same dealer from new with full history I wrongly assumed it had been done as the car had only done 61,000 miles so buyer beware and don't assume it's been done the car is now running a lot better and I'll be keeping it for a few years yet
Belt condition is irrelevant, they don't snap. It's the tensioners that fail, causing slippage. A belt at 40k will look almost identical to a brand spankers, so going on it's visual condition is not important.
Just a helpful pointer here, try to use some punctuation. Reading an entire block of text like that, without a single full stop or comma, is very hard work! ;)
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Sorry tunnie on my phone lol and my belt was 13yrs old lol I've had a tensioner go on a vec v6 and I was lucky the belt still didn't snap half melted