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Title: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 22 December 2014, 12:18:57
As above

Who does one ?
Everybody I ring say the rear pins are all the same but as we know, that's shite  :-X

Anybody bought some lately off t'web ?
Price ?

Tia  :-*
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: biggriffin on 22 December 2014, 12:21:12
Vented disc have longer pins, good motor factors will show both types.
Rear pads all the same.


Best way is go to your lokal factor armed with the reg numbers from a mfl 3.0 and a fl 2.6/3.2 the search should give two separate part numbers, vented and non vented :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 December 2014, 12:30:45
Gm only...  Bear with me as out with the great unwashed but have part numbers at home ;)

About £10 for four pins and two springs iirc
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: biggriffin on 22 December 2014, 12:36:07
Gm only...  Bear with me as out with the great unwashed but have part numbers at home ;)

About £10 for four pins and two springs iirc

Not wanting to start a fight. But our local factor lists both types made by lockead and Apec, that was 12mths past,
 will check later when I go round there :)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 December 2014, 12:51:13
iirc the Apec kit claims to be the same, they might now do it and if so great as Vx generally have to order them in :-\

Be speaking to Jason in a bit so will try to remember to ask him as well... ATE might do both kits too ;)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: amba on 22 December 2014, 12:51:56
I had similar issues when dismantled my rear brakes last year and found pins had all but disintergrated.

Only source was VX Dealers who then needed to order direct from Germany and tok about 5-7 days as no UK stocks at any Stealers.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 22 December 2014, 13:00:38
Cheers Lads
Now i've got 2 tyres on the front WITH TREAD  :-X :-X
I've been trying to pin down this braking / steering twitch which is scary at times.
I already know that one rear disc if ferked to had a look underneath the back end this morning.
One side is hardly worn and the other (without rattle springs) is nearly gone so before I pull the front apart, I better sort the back out  ::)

Edit to say the rear pads / hand brake shoes are only 18 month old
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 22 December 2014, 13:19:21
You've reminded me, I know one pad of mine is very low, I'm getting that same twitch you mention. Must get them changed.

Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 December 2014, 13:23:24
3.2 Tc does give the rear pads a kicking...
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 December 2014, 13:27:36
Gm only...  Bear with me as out with the great unwashed but have part numbers at home ;)

About £10 for four pins and two springs iirc

Fooking hell.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 December 2014, 13:36:56
Jason is on the case,awaiting a call back :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Andy B on 22 December 2014, 14:14:41
Gm only...  Bear with me as out with the great unwashed but have part numbers at home ;)

About £10 for four pins and two springs iirc

Fooking hell.

What kind of price were you thinking of then?  ::)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 22 December 2014, 14:30:15
Right, just popped into Vauxhall
Apparently, they don't do the kit anymore BUT you can get the bits separate.
EACH PIN is nearly 6 quid each
EACH SPRING is nearly 6 quid each
And apparently, the only stock is in sausage land

They can sell me a pad and fitting kit for ..................... wait for it ............................. 68 quid plus VAT  >:( >:(

If the existing pins are loose, I can bodge them with some fishing lead or solder  :y
As only one spring is missing, am I right in saying that the rattle springs are the same across both rear callipers ?
According to Vauxhall, they are different but I can't see how the hell they can be if the pads are the same  ???
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 22 December 2014, 14:45:58
Ahh, if memory serves you're looking at a thicker disc, hence the calipers are 'further apart' (They're not, of course, but you follow my meaning) and this therefore means longer pins. That's as I understand it. Therefore pads can be the same, whether they're going into a caliper for a 1mm thick disc, or a 100mm thick disc. Apologies if I've got it wrong.  :y :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 22 December 2014, 14:47:48
Also chuffing astonished at the cost of them springs. That's discgraceful, and puts pay to my getting brand new springs, I'll be at the breakers after Xmas, then!

PS: 'discgraceful' was a Freudian slip, no pun intended  :y :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Andy B on 22 December 2014, 14:47:55
....
As only one spring is missing, am I right in saying that the rattle springs are the same across both rear callipers ?
According to Vauxhall, they are different but I can't see how the hell they can be if the pads are the same  ???

they're different. The spring spans the edge of the disc ..... vented disc is twice as thick  ;)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 December 2014, 14:48:05
Don't panic...

Firstly, I was out on my pricing, I had to order a set for another car and they were nearer £45 from VX :-[

Secondly, Jason at Allgerman has confirmed that they are available as a stock item for about a tenner 8)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 22 December 2014, 14:51:07
Ahhh - I was about to suggest looking at other cars (later Vectras for instance?) which may have a thicker pad, and consequently longer pins. All good. And Allgermanparts the way to go!!  :y :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 December 2014, 14:51:47
....
As only one spring is missing, am I right in saying that the rattle springs are the same across both rear callipers ?
According to Vauxhall, they are different but I can't see how the hell they can be if the pads are the same  ???

they're different. The spring spans the edge of the disc ..... vented disc is twice as thick  ;)
20mm vs. 12mm.

FITTING THE NARROW SPRING TO A VENTED CALIPER WILL MOST LIKELY JAM THE PADS APART... ESSENTIALLY LOCKING THE REAR BRAKES OFF. ALMOST AS STUPID AS FITTING SOLID DISCS TO VENTED CALIPERS.

Apologies for shouting, but the point needed to be clear :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Andy B on 22 December 2014, 14:55:08
..... ALMOST AS STUPID AS FITTING SOLID DISCS TO VENTED CALIPERS.[/b][/size]
 ......

but even the 'experts' in garages have managed to do that  >:(
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 22 December 2014, 14:55:50
....
As only one spring is missing, am I right in saying that the rattle springs are the same across both rear callipers ?
According to Vauxhall, they are different but I can't see how the hell they can be if the pads are the same  ???

they're different. The spring spans the edge of the disc ..... vented disc is twice as thick  ;)
20mm vs. 12mm.

FITTING THE NARROW SPRING TO A VENTED CALIPER WILL MOST LIKELY JAM THE PADS APART... ESSENTIALLY LOCKING THE REAR BRAKES OFF. ALMOST AS STUPID AS FITTING SOLID DISCS TO VENTED CALIPERS.

Apologies for shouting, but the point needed to be clear :y
Don't panic...

Firstly, I was out on my pricing, I had to order a set for another car and they were nearer £45 from VX :-[

Secondly, Jason at Allgerman has confirmed that they are available as a stock item for about a tenner 8)





....
As only one spring is missing, am I right in saying that the rattle springs are the same across both rear callipers ?
According to Vauxhall, they are different but I can't see how the hell they can be if the pads are the same  ???

they're different. The spring spans the edge of the disc ..... vented disc is twice as thick  ;)
20mm vs. 12mm.

FITTING THE NARROW SPRING TO A VENTED CALIPER WILL MOST LIKELY JAM THE PADS APART... ESSENTIALLY LOCKING THE REAR BRAKES OFF. ALMOST AS STUPID AS FITTING SOLID DISCS TO VENTED CALIPERS.

Apologies for shouting, but the point needed to be clear :y




Message received Al, thank you  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 December 2014, 14:56:52
You're welcome ;)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 December 2014, 14:57:46
..... ALMOST AS STUPID AS FITTING SOLID DISCS TO VENTED CALIPERS.[/b][/size]
 ......

but even the 'experts' in garages have managed to do that  >:(
Doesn't mean that they're not stupid...
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: biggriffin on 22 December 2014, 15:16:23
My lokal factor does still list fitting kit for vented and non vented, different part numbers and the computa says vented or solid :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 22 December 2014, 15:21:26
Spoke to Jason
Top Bloke  :y :y

Should be here tomorrow, 16 quid including the carriage so no complaints from me  :y :y

Thanks for the heads up Al  :)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 22 December 2014, 15:24:34
Spoke to Jason
Top Bloke  :y :y

Should be here tomorrow, 16 quid including the carriage so no complaints from me  :y :y

Thanks for the heads up Al  :)


Bladdy hell!!! I was thinking of getting a set, having read posts, but thought 'well, obviously won't bother ordering a set now, they're never getting here before Christmas, might as well leave it until New Year' That's great service!!!!  :y :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 22 December 2014, 15:34:01
Spoke to Jason
Top Bloke  :y :y

Should be here tomorrow, 16 quid including the carriage so no complaints from me  :y :y

Thanks for the heads up Al  :)


Bladdy hell!!! I was thinking of getting a set, having read posts, but thought 'well, obviously won't bother ordering a set now, they're never getting here before Christmas, might as well leave it until New Year' That's great service!!!!  :y :y



Yup, a few on here swear by him but today was my first time.
I must say, he was very gentle and never tried to force himself on me   Great service  ;D ;D ;D ;D

If your reading this Jase, you know were all friggin mad at this end of the M62  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: TheBoy on 22 December 2014, 17:27:43
Gm only...  Bear with me as out with the great unwashed but have part numbers at home ;)

About £10 for four pins and two springs iirc
Even trade, I think its more than that without the vat ;)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 December 2014, 17:33:40
The last set I acquired in early November were well over that, about two thirds of what TG was quoted, but so much has happened since then, my mind has gone to mush :-\

But good to know a reliable, sensibly priced option is readily available  8)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: TheBoy on 22 December 2014, 18:13:45
The last set I acquired in early November were well over that, about two thirds of what TG was quoted, but so much has happened since then, my mind has gone to mush :-\

But good to know a reliable, sensibly priced option is readily available  8)
Admittedly before my garage went, I think that trade was about £4 per pin, and a couple of quid per spring, plus the VAT.  This worked out approx. half the GM retail - I remember looking fully at receipt due to cost.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 December 2014, 20:40:28
Gm only...  Bear with me as out with the great unwashed but have part numbers at home ;)

About £10 for four pins and two springs iirc

Fooking hell.

What kind of price were you thinking of then?  ::)

Quid......Quid fifty tops.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 23 December 2014, 10:30:31
 ;D

Don't worry Opti, we're about the same price-wise in North Lincolnshire, too.

That said my local factor normally accepts thruppeny bits and a nice bit of flint arrowhead as payment, so exchange rate into decimal hard to calculate  :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 23 December 2014, 13:45:27
Well true to Jason's word, they have just turned up  :y :y

I would be pulling the car apart now but the missus has hidden the piggin key to the shed so I can't get to my tools  ::)
And just to round it off, we have family coming around so I have to be on my best behaviour

Reminder to ones self to get a spare key cut in the new year  ;D ;D

The kit is a mintex one with the part number of MBA 1266 if anyboby need one  :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 23 December 2014, 13:49:18
Could you post a final price, please, inc shipping, vat, etc? Atmittedly, at a guess, for us poor fellows lumbered with solid rear discs, the price may be a shade cheaper.

Thanks, and glad OOF has triumphed again!  :y


PS pop over the bridge and borrow the drive if you can get away with it  :y :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 23 December 2014, 13:58:59
Could you post a final price, please, inc shipping, vat, etc? Atmittedly, at a guess, for us poor fellows lumbered with solid rear discs, the price may be a shade cheaper.

Thanks, and glad OOF has triumphed again!  :y


PS pop over the bridge and borrow the drive if you can get away with it  :y :y



Jason took 16 quid yesterday off the card
Invoice says 17:40 including everything  :y

If I escape, the locks will get changed guarantied  ::)
We spent every single day last December through to April travelling to see her mother in either hospital or residential homes after a bad fall and the NHS trying to kill her off  >:( >:( >:(
So best I behave myself for a change  :-X :-X ;D

Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 23 December 2014, 14:00:31
Could you post a final price, please, inc shipping, vat, etc? Atmittedly, at a guess, for us poor fellows lumbered with solid rear discs, the price may be a shade cheaper.

Thanks, and glad OOF has triumphed again!  :y


PS pop over the bridge and borrow the drive if you can get away with it  :y :y



Jason took 16 quid yesterday off the card
Invoice says 17:40 including everything  :y

If I escape, the locks will get changed guarantied  ::)
We spent every single day last December through to April travelling to see her mother in either hospital or residential homes after a bad fall and the NHS trying to kill her off  >:( >:( >:(
So best I behave myself for a change  :-X :-X ;D



Well that's not what you'd call unfair!!  :y :y :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 December 2014, 19:17:53
Right, might have hit a snag...

These are the vented item...
Mintex MBA1271
(http://static.camskill.co.uk/smsimg/2449/81247-86276-full--2449.jpg)

And these are the non vented...
Mintex MBA1266
(http://static.camskill.co.uk/smsimg/2449/81227-86256-full--2449.jpg)

Double check the length TG... pins should be 86ish mm long and the clips about 55mm across  :-\
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 23 December 2014, 21:36:44
Thanks for the heads up Al  :)

Just got the ruler out

The spring measures 55mm with a bit of pressure on by 43 mm
The pins are about 62mm in length.

I also found this on the Mintex site

http://www.brakebook.com/bb/mintex/en_DE/PKW/84/359_Series/15809/applicationSearch.xhtml

Getting confused now  :-\
 
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 December 2014, 21:45:07
Thanks for the heads up Al  :)

Just got the ruler out

The spring measures 55mm with a bit of pressure on by 43 mm
The pins are about 62mm in length.

I also found this on the Mintex site

http://www.brakebook.com/bb/mintex/en_DE/PKW/84/359_Series/15809/applicationSearch.xhtml

Getting confused now  :-\
Bear with me a minute...
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 23 December 2014, 21:48:19
Best pour myself another Guinness then  :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 December 2014, 22:03:27
Here do...
Used, but vented ;)
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y486/05omegav6/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141223_215629_zpsm4ngm6wi.jpg)

Spot the difference:

Non Vented...

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m33b2449s3431p81227/Mintex_Brake_Pad_and_Shoe_Fitting_Kits_-_Fitting_Kit_-_MBA1266_Opel_Omega

Vented...

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m33b2449s3431p81247/Mintex_Brake_Pad_and_Shoe_Fitting_Kits_-_Fitting_Kit_-_MBA1271_Opel_Omega

Your reference is arse backwards (insert smiley of choice here ).

Btw, these links are where I got the pics further up from...

MBA 1271 only lists for the Omega whereas MBA 1266 Lists for any Vauxhall fitted with rear discs since Maggie became PM ::)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 23 December 2014, 22:07:39
Mmmmm 6 quid delivered less then All German too  :(

Best have a word with Jason tomorrow

Cheers Al  :)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 December 2014, 22:17:36
Mmmmm 6 quid delivered less then All German too  :(

Best have a word with Jason tomorrow

Cheers Al  :)
I'm sure he'll see you right  ;)

Must admit, I didn't want to publicly announce the price before you had had a chance to double check, but I suspect Camskills postage is Royal Mail, and no guarantee of it being in stock either :-\

Personally, I reckon to have ordered summat two working days from Christmas and have it arrive within 24hrs is impressive in anyones book. 8)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 24 December 2014, 07:45:35
Mmmmm 6 quid delivered less then All German too  :(

Best have a word with Jason tomorrow

Cheers Al  :)
I'm sure he'll see you right  ;)

Must admit, I didn't want to publicly announce the price before you had had a chance to double check, but I suspect Camskills postage is Royal Mail, and no guarantee of it being in stock either :-\

Personally, I reckon to have ordered summat two working days from Christmas and have it arrive within 24hrs is impressive in anyones book. 8)


Fair points there
That's why I don't normally come on here nowdays when i've had a few beers  ;D

It's first light and i've just been snogged by a big German Sheppard so I take it its time for my walk  :D :D

I'll give Jason a bell when I get back and sort things out.

Thanks for all your help Al, that's another pint I owe you  :)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 24 December 2014, 12:11:56
No bother :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Ralph on 07 January 2015, 16:43:26
I take it from above then the kit for vented discs is MBA1271.
I've just received one from Camskill & they ain't going to fit, they look like they might fit none vented though.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 07 January 2015, 16:49:12
I take it from above then the kit for vented discs is MBA1271.
I've just received one from Camskill & they ain't going to fit, they look like they might fit none vented though.
Exactly :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Ralph on 07 January 2015, 17:05:34
Well the MBA1271 kit I've received has pins 73mm overall length & the a/r Springs are only 47mm ?
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 07 January 2015, 19:20:24
In that case, either someone at the Mintex factory is a complete retard or they have no quality controls in place :-X
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 January 2015, 10:30:21
The kit for my vented rear discs didn't fit as the pins were too short. TB now has these.

I re-used the old pins.

When I contacted the seller he apologised profusely and gave me the rear pads for free (£15) in order to avoid negative feedback. :y

I'm happy with that. :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 15:31:03
Right, the friggin nightmare continues .................

Back brakes in many pieces and I can now confirm that the MBA 1271 pins are only 73mm long
The ones fitted are 85mm long  >:( >:(

Can I use the old pins and the new springs which seem slightly longer from the 1271 kit ?
Need to get mobile as i've just got another job (mobile stocktaker) and need to be ........ eh mobile.

Also I think i've got to the bottom of the dodgy handling ............ one spring was missing and one of the pads had separated from the pad plate  >:(
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Ralph on 08 January 2015, 15:39:52
I've re-used the old pins several times but they are really past their best & the a/r springs have disintegrated.
I've re-ordered the other kit MBA1266 from Camskill I'll see what comes in that one.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 15:47:11
I've re-used the old pins several times but they are really past their best & the a/r springs have disintegrated.
I've re-ordered the other kit MBA1266 from Camskill I'll see what comes in that one.


The pins in the 1266 kit are only 62 mm long Ralf  :(

I've just been on the phone with camskill and they have given me a couple of part numbers from Budweig which may do the trick  :-\
I'm ringing a local supplier now so don't run away ................ 
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 16:01:49
Right,  Camskill's have come up with these part numbers by a company called Budweg

They are BSF 0667 and BSF0711

Anybody know of them ??
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 January 2015, 16:12:56
What a palava :-\

If Mintex kits are that wrong that only leaves genuine...
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 16:23:11
Waiting for a call back from Budweg's office in Rochdale now  :y

I'll put my findings on here later if they get back to me  :)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 16:46:46
The kind lady has emailed somebody in Denmark who hopefully should be able to sort us a kit out that fits.
The nearest pins upto now is 91mm x 6mm
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 January 2015, 17:06:00
As a thought, MK2 Granada pins might be suitable... 2.8s had vented fronts, pins push through and are held by spring clips outside the caliper... Not sure of length/diameter but will investigate further :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 January 2015, 17:12:12
Tg, how does the spring in MBA1271 compare to my used one? Clearly if that is also wrong then the Mintex kit is less than useless :-\
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 17:25:14
Tg, how does the spring in MBA1271 compare to my used one? Clearly if that is also wrong then the Mintex kit is less than useless :-\

I'd say that the 1271 spring is a good 8mm shorter on the pad side  :(
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Nick W on 08 January 2015, 17:39:05
It would only be a couple of minutes work to make new ones of whatever length I needed. Far less time than you've each spent on the phone.
What diameter are the pins? Hopefully it will be an off the shelf size. When I fitted new ones -to my solid discs- I binned the old ones, so have no way of checking
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 17:51:22
It would only be a couple of minutes work to make new ones of whatever length I needed. Far less time than you've each spent on the phone.
What diameter are the pins? Hopefully it will be an off the shelf size. When I fitted new ones -to my solid discs- I binned the old ones, so have no way of checking


86mm long x 6mm wide   The last 5mm is tapered off to fit inside the calliper.

Tbh, the pins can be cleaned up and made to hold in position with a blob of lead / solder on the head before fitting.
Imo, the biggest problem is the springs (or lack of one in my case)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 January 2015, 17:59:24
Ok... Long and short is that currently noone apart from Vauxhall are able to supply the components  for vented rear discs... :-\
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Shackeng on 08 January 2015, 18:07:38
So yet another item to be bought against future requirements! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 18:18:49
Ok... Long and short is that currently noone apart from Vauxhall are able to supply the components  for vented rear discs... :-\

I'll know more if they get back to me tomorrow
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 January 2015, 20:10:19
Ok... Long and short is that currently noone apart from Vauxhall are able to supply the components  for vented rear discs... :-\

I'll know more if they get back to me tomorrow
Might have a complete, albeit used set here if you get stuck :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 20:23:27
Ok... Long and short is that currently noone apart from Vauxhall are able to supply the components  for vented rear discs... :-\

I'll know more if they get back to me tomorrow
Might have a complete, albeit used set here if you get stuck :y



Thanks Al, i'll give you a shout tomorrow mate  :-*

I've just spent the last hour cleaning the pins up with a wire wheel and they seem to have come up pretty well.
In morning, i'm going to remove the callipers providing I can prove the bleed nipple works and do the same then rebuild without the springs.
Need to be on the road asap now.
Not had a permanent job in over 4 years but today, i've just been offered one  :D  It may be friggin zero hours and minimum wage but they are expanding so it looks like i'll be busy and most of all, i'll be able to make grand plans and actually do something about them for a change :y :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Andy B on 08 January 2015, 20:31:56
.....
Not had a permanent job in over 4 years but today, i've just been offered one  :D  It may be friggin zero hours and minimum wage but they are expanding so it looks like i'll be busy and most of all, i'll be able to make grand plans and actually do something about them for a change :y :y

Good luck with it!  :y :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 20:55:21
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Not had a permanent job in over 4 years but today, i've just been offered one  :D  It may be friggin zero hours and minimum wage but they are expanding so it looks like i'll be busy and most of all, i'll be able to make grand plans and actually do something about them for a change :y :y

Good luck with it!  :y :y


Thanks Andy  :)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: biggriffin on 08 January 2015, 21:12:07
Could drill caliper holes,were wasted part of pin goes into caliper body and use a roll pin.
 Mercedes use a pin with a small R clip, w123/124 chassis.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Nick W on 08 January 2015, 21:28:23
So, it's an appropriate length of 6mm rod, cross-drilled in a couple of places for r clips, or even a loop of lockwire. If you peen one end over, you'd only need one hole which would look more original if that matters to you.

That would take a couple of minutes, and a few pence worth of material. And you could have it done before you go to bed.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Andy B on 08 January 2015, 21:38:26
So, it's an appropriate length of 6mm rod, cross-drilled in a couple of places for r clips, or even a loop of lockwire. If you peen one end over, you'd only need one hole which would look more original if that matters to you.

That would take a couple of minutes, and a few pence worth of material. And you could have it done before you go to bed.

For the cost of them I'd buy new ...... not that I ever needed to replace them in my Omega or Senator or Senator or Carlton or  Manta or Cavaliar coupe .......  ;)

I did replace the anti-rattle cross shaped clips though ....... they rotted through  ;)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 January 2015, 21:43:57
Could drill caliper holes,were wasted part of pin goes into caliper body and use a roll pin.
 Mercedes use a pin with a small R clip, w123/124 chassis.
Same as Mk2 Granada... wonder if Nick has any knocking around for comparison purposes :-\
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Nick W on 08 January 2015, 22:01:46
I've just remembered that one of the ways around this problem when you space Ford M16 calipers to go over vented discs is to use a long split pin. This is because the longer pins required are even harder to find than the VX ones we're talking about, and split pins are quick, cheap and easy.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 January 2015, 22:08:26
I've just remembered that one of the ways around this problem when you space Ford M16 calipers to go over vented discs is to use a long split pin. This is because the longer pins required are even harder to find than the VX ones we're talking about, and split pins are quick, cheap and easy.
Howsybout...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-GRANADA-MK2-1977-1985-FRONT-BRAKE-PAD-PIN-KIT-FOR-VENTED-DISCS-BPF0983A-/331327611586?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d24aa22c2

87mm long...
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 January 2015, 22:52:31
Will these rear callipers be okay to use WITHOUT the springs ??
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 January 2015, 23:09:19
Will these rear callipers be okay to use WITHOUT the springs ??
Briefly will be ok, if illadvised, provided you order them from VX tomorrow for fitting early next week...

Without, the pads could potentially rock on the pins, causing them to twist and jam. Hence the caveat ;)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 09 January 2015, 13:44:51
Right, they tracked down some 86 x 6mm pins with a 5mm taper (from a Merc)
I'm going to send them a scaled picture of the spring via email and they are going to see if they can make a kit up for OOF members  :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 09 January 2015, 13:49:23
Good work :y
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: henryd on 09 January 2015, 16:22:08
Has this number been mentioned ???
http://www.doctorcarparts.co.uk/rear-brake-pads-fitting-kit-vauxhall-omega-180099-prd1.htm
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 09 January 2015, 16:25:14
Has this number been mentioned ???
http://www.doctorcarparts.co.uk/rear-brake-pads-fitting-kit-vauxhall-omega-180099-prd1.htm


No but if you want to get one and measure the pin / spring length for us  :D
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: henryd on 09 January 2015, 16:27:02
Has this number been mentioned ???
http://www.doctorcarparts.co.uk/rear-brake-pads-fitting-kit-vauxhall-omega-180099-prd1.htm


No but if you want to get one and measure the pin / spring length for us  :D

Aw bugger,will I need to buy another Omega too ??? :-[
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 09 January 2015, 16:28:58
Just ordered a couple of springs from the stealers
£5:45 each  >:(
86mm pins are £7:14 each  >:( >:(

Needs must and all that but I really hate getting my arse wallet abused  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 09 January 2015, 16:29:36
Has this number been mentioned ???
http://www.doctorcarparts.co.uk/rear-brake-pads-fitting-kit-vauxhall-omega-180099-prd1.htm


No but if you want to get one and measure the pin / spring length for us  :D

Aw bugger,will I need to buy another Omega too ??? :-[


I'm sure you can afford it  :y ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: henryd on 09 January 2015, 16:31:12
Has this number been mentioned ???
http://www.doctorcarparts.co.uk/rear-brake-pads-fitting-kit-vauxhall-omega-180099-prd1.htm


No but if you want to get one and measure the pin / spring length for us  :D

Aw bugger,will I need to buy another Omega too ??? :-[


I'm sure you can afford it  :y ;D ;D ;D

My name isn't Opti you know :D ;)
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 12 January 2015, 09:12:15
Just ordered a couple of springs from the stealers
£5:45 each  >:(
86mm pins are £7:14 each  >:( >:(

Needs must and all that but I really hate getting my arse wallet abused  >:( >:(


Hate them sort of prices, especially for something as simple as a bleedin' pin, and a bit of bent metal. At least you can think, 'well the old ones lasted 10-15 years, these, with a coat of copperslip/similar from new, should be the same or more.'

Had to buy a nut for the manifold/exhaust cat section flange - about £7 iirc, because I dropped and lost one on redoing the exhaust. Only to then find the original about 5 mins before I refitted the exhaust a week later.  :D
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Nick W on 12 January 2015, 11:40:50
That's an M10 nut that costs a few pence. Why would you buy an ordinary nut from a dealer????

When I changed my headgaskets last year, I replaced all of the manifold studs, flanged nuts and downpipe nuts for £5.

I keep a stock of nuts, nyloc nuts, washers and bolts in common M6 and M8 sizes so I don't get caught out like that. I buy them from Versatile Fasteners in Gravesend who are industrial suppliers. But, they have a trade counter and will sell any quantity you want, the last 100 M8 nuts I bought cost £2. You shouldn't have any problem finding somewhere similar on a large industrial estate; either have a pattern, or learn the correct terminology and pay cash.


And one more thing, small bought in parts like nuts etc are priced at £7 because it has a noticeable effect on the parts department's profit percentage.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 12 January 2015, 11:57:38
Ah, because, as I think Marks DTM pointed out (when I asked on here 'what size is the nut, please, as I've lost it - and will any old nut do?) that it is actually copper, with a stainless helicoil inside, and a bit specialist. With mental images of the wrong nut/metal fusing to the already-barely accessible manifold in time, I decided as it was a one-off extortionate price I'd pay up and look happy. Also tried as asking for a used on on here for beer money/price of postage, but no V6s being broken that week.  :y

Trust me, I'm the last person to go blindly walking into the dealer and saying 'give me this part, no idea what it is or does, but here is my wallet, good vendor of Automotive Parts. Oh, £7 for a nut... is that a lot?' but as mentioned, was advised on here that it's a bit specialist, so best go genuine Vx. Whether I've done the right or wrong thing, no idea. As I say, by sheer chance I ended up finding the chuffin nut the day of refitting, so all academic.  :D
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Nick W on 12 January 2015, 12:24:21
Was the new one the massively over-engineered part you paid for? My original ones can't have been, as they were flanged steel nuts with an undersized hexhead - 15mm rather than the 17 for a normal M10. They looked so grotty, and had made such a racket undoing that I filed them in the bin. The replacements are standard nuts with washers, like millions of other manifolds. I did treat them to a smear of coppergrease as is good practice for such things.

Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Mr Gav on 12 January 2015, 12:34:13
The last manifold nuts I got were flanged copper with a slightly oval shape for locking, about 70p each from GSF IIRC.
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 12 January 2015, 13:23:13
Right, fine. I apologise for paying a lot for a nut!  :D I'm being as careful as I can with the pennies. In fairness, the car cost me £170, including 65 litres of petrol in the tank. The exhaust (that's the lot, excluding cat sections) cost £20, brand new Bosch HT leads for under £40, replaced every thin vac hose and cured an erratic idle for £3, a GM coil pack, bonnet and boot lifters, steering idler, HBV, barely used brake discs and pads - all for £20. I think the budget will stand (just checked on my service history part no 90570845) £3.88, not £7 as previously stated by myself (It was the half dozen exhaust clips I bought that day that were just under £7) I know now to fit standard nuts and washers.
We live and learn.  :y


Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 January 2015, 13:57:34
For the manifolds I would always advise using the Vx nuts, the copper items with the steel inserts always come off, those that are replaced with steel have on two occasions resulted in a painful exercise of having to remove snapped studs in a very gynaecological fashion.....had they of sheared off flush with the manifold it would have been a manifold off exercise.

Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 12 January 2015, 14:06:25
Well, I think it was you that advised me of this course, using genuine Vx nut, and for the reasons you have stated. As mentioned the other day, I've never gone wrong following your counsel. Where possible, I'm trying to use the best / original GM parts I can, all on a budget - as mentioned in my list. Trying to get prices down to the bare minimum when I can - but on certain items, I'm happy to pay up, because it's vital.  :) Again, Ta Mark
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: tigers_gonads on 13 January 2015, 11:58:33
Right, email sent with all the details and pictures.

Fingers crossed they can build us a kit up that fit for purpose  :y

I'll get back to you all when I get a reply  ;)

Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Jan Suhr on 18 February 2015, 16:32:58
I went to the local Opel dealer today to order the pins for my vented rear brakes.

The guy had to do some special trick with his computer to find them as individual parts. From the start they were only sold as a replacement package with pads, pins and springs.

Anyway I could order them and they had them at the central warehouse for GM parts here in Sweden.

Partnumbers:

Pins 919 50 55
Springs 919 50 56

And they weren't cheap £50 is what they cost here for 4 pins and 2 springs.


Jan
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 February 2015, 18:48:03
I went to the local Opel dealer today to order the pins for my vented rear brakes.

The guy had to do some special trick with his computer to find them as individual parts. From the start they were only sold as a replacement package with pads, pins and springs.

Anyway I could order them and they had them at the central warehouse for GM parts here in Sweden.

Partnumbers:

Pins 919 50 55
Springs 919 50 56

And they weren't cheap £50 is what they cost here for 4 pins and 2 springs.


Jan

Can this be legal? >:(

Could you not re-use the old pins?
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Jan Suhr on 18 February 2015, 18:56:16
I went to the local Opel dealer today to order the pins for my vented rear brakes.

The guy had to do some special trick with his computer to find them as individual parts. From the start they were only sold as a replacement package with pads, pins and springs.

Anyway I could order them and they had them at the central warehouse for GM parts here in Sweden.

Partnumbers:

Pins 919 50 55
Springs 919 50 56

And they weren't cheap £50 is what they cost here for 4 pins and 2 springs.


Jan

Can this be legal? >:(

Could you not re-use the old pins?

Well since there isn't any competition on just these parts they can charge what they want.

My old pins are rusty and the springs are broken  :'(

I'm about to to a complete brake overhaul on my Omega and will change everything, got all the parts from http://www.sparepartstore24.co.uk/ at a fair price and with a discount because it was a large order. Unfortunately the pins and springs can only be found at the GM-dealer.


Jan
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: 05omegav6 on 18 February 2015, 19:41:32
Same as here and broadly the same price, not that that's any consolation  :-\
Title: Re: Rear vented disc fitting kit
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 February 2015, 20:02:06
Parts are worth about 20p. >:(