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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: ckz on 14 February 2015, 09:56:44
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since this Guy is in Power loads lost of People have lost a lot.
small Businesses shut down making the Living hard, Pensioners, Disabled People lost loads of there Standarts,
old cars being supported to get of the road so everybody should go on a bloody Bus and general late overfilled Trains,
no |Money can be Spend to the People living in this Country because we apparently have none.
now the news: obese people loosing there benefits, or can be forced to, because they cost the govt to much money,
but we can send troops everywhere to help people in other countrys,
we spending loads of foreign aid to help other country's people,
we paying of terrorist groups so they don't attack us,
our NHS helping people in other country's with our medicin and equipment for free
and the govt guys sitting in the parliament and getting a load of money for all that.
i can remember 8 years back you needed money you go and got a job.
now you need a certificate for whatever you do, so spend first before you can earn.
the company bosses being supported by the govt so people loosing more and more rights for the benefits of companys
really getting sick of going to work and see my money is going sonewhere else so people somewhere else having a good livestyle and we suppose being one of the richest country's don't be rich anymore.
me, i don't give a opps what's happened to others so long we have cheap widescreen tv's, big cars, motorbikes, cheap petrol, cheap food, cheap mortgage's and rent, and all the nice standard's we should have.
it should not be up to us supporting the lazy country's to have they same.
they should pull there fingers out there arses and do some.
i have a answer of some of it, as we go on holiday we spend ou money in those countrys, living like a king for less and they bending backwards for us to come, that is loads better,
terrorist group's don't need to be paid of, if one caught and prooven guilty should be hanged, shot, of otherwise official killed, so as they do to others.
sorry, just pissed off with this guy as it seems he has a target of destroying this country and throw us all back in the 70s.
we should never vote a company owner in this job. army leaders are the best. no foreign aid, no interest in what people have in other country's.
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thing being is ckz this is history repeating itself...i remember the last time around i was working for the NHS at that time and we had people dying in corridors of hospitals due to no beds...and it is happening again but this time around it is my mum who is on the hospital bed...but the nurses do the best with the limited resources....i think the term he used was i will ring fence the NHS....yeah right lying self-abuser...thing is people have very short memories :-\
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What you need to remember is ....We Are All In This Together Cos Dave Said So ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sadly, whoever wins, we need to tighten our belts even further. There is not a bottomless pit of money, and the amount we (UK plc) are paying back in interest on our debt is crippling. So we need to repay that debt. Simple, basic economics.
To repay that debt, every man, woman and child, not just those working, need to stump up about £25k each. Remember, that's if we did it now. The government are still massively spending more than they are bringing in to the tune of over £100bn a year (so add another £1700 plus interest to that £25k we all owe every year we delay it). That means closing down the NHS entirely would just about bring us to break even - assuming we all coughed up £25k to pay off the debt. The previous government in particular, were so incredibly reckless and naïve to think a recession could never happen. Idiots.
I hope that explains the size of the problem. Obviously, very few of us could cough up that amount, and tolerate the NHS being shut down, and we need to realise that we have quite simply run out of rich people. So this is a burden we all have to share, and accept.
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This lot are indeed pretty crap. The previous lot were a thousand times worse. If Milliband gets the key to number 10 and Balls the key to number 11 in May, we will be worse off than Greece in five years time.
NHS - it has many serious problems, but despite what the media tell us, the problems aren't related to a shortage of funds.
The fact that it employs over 1.6 million people, over half of whom have no medical qualifications, might point to a good place to start if we want to improve it.
It created 18,000 extra jobs in the 2nd quarter of 2014 alone ! How did it cope previously without these 18,000 people ?
The NHS budget in 2004 was £64 billion. Last year it was £109.7 billion. Even allowing for inflation that is an enormous increase.
This years budget is £113 billion. There is no amount of money which would ever be enough to keep it running in its current form.
It needs massive fundamental change, but there isn't a politician with the backbone to grasp that nettle.
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It needs massive fundamental change, but there isn't a politician with the backbone to grasp that nettle.
I've said hundreds of times on this forum, it needs closing down. If the will is there, rebuild it again from the ground up. But the current setup has been looked at by successful business experts, and all have agreed, it cannot be fixed as it is.
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One of the reasons that most people are p****d off with ALL politicians is that there are three issues that should transcend Party Politics.
1. Defence of the realm, which should be the prime responsibility of any Government.
2. NHS.
3. Education.
All these need a Government of National Unity, or, at least, agreement between all parties.
It will never happen. Why? Because politicians are such self-serving bastards that personal power and advancement is far more important to them than the welfare of the UK and its citizens. >:( >:( >:(
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The current governments dismantling of our defences in these potentially dangerous times is a shocking abdication of their responsibilities.
I suspect defence is an easy target for saving money as soldiers etc. cant strike or even march in protest, and the left aren't going to squeal about defence cuts as they would with almost any other type of cuts.
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It needs massive fundamental change, but there isn't a politician with the backbone to grasp that nettle.
I've said hundreds of times on this forum, it needs closing down. If the will is there, rebuild it again from the ground up, with the unions and management gravy train kept out of the whole process. But the current setup has been looked at by successful business experts, and all have agreed, it cannot be fixed as it is.
Agreed. :)
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The list of replacements for Cameron are hardly inspiring in my opinion. ::)
Ed Milliband
Nick Clegg
Nigel Farage
So in these continued troubled times we are better off sticking with the devils we know, who at least in the last 5 years have attempted to grasp a few nettles like welfare, the EU, the NHS, education, the national debt/deficit, public spending etc etc. and have taken some very unpopular but probably necessary decisions. ::)
Despite what the naysayers and Guardianistas would have us believe I think that things are getting better in this country than they were 5 years ago, not much I grant you but it was always going to be a long slow uphill climb out of the hole that we were in. ;) At least the economy is growing which in time will improve all our finances. :y
Sadly no government of any stripes can wave a magic wand and instantly provide people with cheap widescreen TV's. ::) As for socialism we only have to look across the channel to see how France is faring, and I'm watching the new Greek government with interest who were voted in on populist policies that they have already started to implement, without securing the necessary income. I can't see that ending well. :-\
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I don't think the incumbents have grasped any of those nettles at all to be honest. The debt is mounting faster than it ever has, and the other areas are pretty shambolic from incompetent fiddling at the edges to try to please their supporters, without actually changing anything in a serious or meaningful way.
The economy is improving slowly but that's little if anything to do with the govt.
However, if Labour get back in they will finish the job they started in 1997 and destroy whats left of U.K. PLC.
We need to readjust the British mindset away from believing the Govt. / state is responsible for taking care of all our problems and looking after us come what may - the very definition of socialism.
We need a much smaller state which steals (albeit legally) much less of our income and assets from us and then leaves us much better placed to look after ourselves
Greece could be interesting if the new govt. sticks to its election pledges. If they don't,I imagine they might face a public lynching.
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The list of replacements for Cameron are hardly inspiring in my opinion. ::)
Ed Milliband
Nick Clegg
Nigel Farage
So in these continued troubled times we are better off sticking with the devils we know, who at least in the last 5 years have attempted to grasp a few nettles like welfare, the EU, the NHS, education, the national debt/deficit, public spending etc etc. and have taken some very unpopular but probably necessary decisions. ::)
Despite what the naysayers and Guardianistas would have us believe I think that things are getting better in this country than they were 5 years ago, not much I grant you but it was always going to be a long slow uphill climb out of the hole that we were in. ;) At least the economy is growing which in time will improve all our finances. :y
Sadly no government of any stripes can wave a magic wand and instantly provide people with cheap widescreen TV's. ::) As for socialism we only have to look across the channel to see how France is faring, and I'm watching the new Greek government with interest who were voted in on populist policies that they have already started to implement, without securing the necessary income. I can't see that ending well. :-\
Well said :y
Certainly if any of those alternatives make it into Downing Street, it won't be from my vote...
Did anyone realistically expect a coalition to fix in five years everything that the previous shower of shit took 12 years to destroy, especially given the state of the global economy since 2008 ::)
Don't forget, it took Maggie five years to drag the UK kicking and screaming out of the seventies, and her foundations lasted well into Tony 'Treason' Blairs second term...
Constantly kicking someone because of where they went to school/university, simply suggests narrow minded jealousy... give it a rest >:(
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Interesting- the point about people being fed up with politics. Apart from Britain ought to follow suit of other countries and ban all electioneering until two weeks before voting. Spain does that for eample. My question is while all these tours are going on who is governing the country? Who is actually in parliament debating the thousands of bills that should be being debated to improve the lot of GBltd.
Back to people being fed up of politics. I think that there is a real under current of that at the moment.
Greece. Syriza, voted in because people were fed up of the previous regimes and austerity. They haven't a hope of making a go of it.
Spain. Podemos (brand new political party only created 13 months ago.) Current polls put it 27%,23% 22%. i.e. in lead against the "Conservative and Labour".
France National Front doing well.
UK. UKIP? Are people saying they are going to vote UKIP as a protest vote or for their policies?
NHS It needs a complete overhaul to make it fit for the modern age. I would start with charging for consultations £10 for doctor and £100 surgeon etc. Straight away that would reduce dramatically reduce missed appointments and speed up resolutions.
7 day working all days being same
Cost of quality excercise. Why was Mrs V's aunt referred to another hospital minus her previous but one hospital notes of her actual accident. Why was she discharged on only two of the previous six medicines? I could go on.. Yet they all claim to be working really hard and probably are doing failure work.
As to the UK, you are stuck in an endless cycle of fixed term parliaments oscillating from Conservative to Labour with their associated policies( make the rich richer OR spend money that isn't there for the poorer). Occasionally something will pop up to relieve the tedium like Lib Dems coalition, SNP coalition.
None of them will reduce the deficit - it isn't in their interests to wallop the country, one of the worlds top ten richest by the way, they would never get back in. That wouldn't do!
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It needs massive fundamental change, but there isn't a politician with the backbone to grasp that nettle.
I've said hundreds of times on this forum, it needs closing down. If the will is there, rebuild it again from the ground up. But the current setup has been looked at by successful business experts, and all have agreed, it cannot be fixed as it is
I would have to agree with you on this one
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It needs massive fundamental change, but there isn't a politician with the backbone to grasp that nettle.
I've said hundreds of times on this forum, it needs closing down. If the will is there, rebuild it again from the ground up. But the current setup has been looked at by successful business experts, and all have agreed, it cannot be fixed as it is
I would have to agree with you on this one
That may well be true, but the day we have to rely on insurance companies to look after our health will be the day I emigrate. >:(
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It needs massive fundamental change, but there isn't a politician with the backbone to grasp that nettle.
I've said hundreds of times on this forum, it needs closing down. If the will is there, rebuild it again from the ground up. But the current setup has been looked at by successful business experts, and all have agreed, it cannot be fixed as it is
I would have to agree with you on this one
That may well be true, but the day we have to rely on insurance companies to look after our health will be the day before I emigrate. >:(
A noble sentiment, but at least if we went down the private/insurance route we ought to get what we pay for rather than paying for something which fundamentally doesn't work :-\
And actually healthcare costs should fall due to competition :y
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A noble sentiment, but at least if we went down the private/insurance route we ought to get what we pay for rather than paying for something which fundamentally doesn't work :-\
And actually healthcare costs should fall due to competition :y
Just like they do in the US? ::)
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I said should...
What is the per capita tax burden of the NHS? Will that same amount buy reasonable health insurance?
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Quote from: Taxi Al on Today at 18:07:10
A noble sentiment, but at least if we went down the private/insurance route we ought to get what we pay for rather than paying for something which fundamentally doesn't work :-\
And actually healthcare costs should fall due to competition :y
Just like they do in the US? ::)
Where 75% of bankruptcies are caused by medical bills not being able to be paid. My son in law has just been told he has to pay $11000 dollars for a minor operation on his knee of which he has to contribute $6000 despite having health insurance >:( On the other hand SWMBO has to undergo exactly the same procedure in this country under the NHS completely free!!
So who wants a US system of insurance based healthcare now? >:(
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Where 75% of bankruptcies are caused by medical bills not being able to be paid. My son in law has just been told he has to pay $11000 dollars for a minor operation on his knee of which he has to contribute $6000 despite having health insurance >:( On the other hand SWMBO has to undergo exactly the same procedure in this country under the NHS completely free!!
So who wants a US system of insurance based healthcare now? >:(
Not at all, it would be a nightmare! >:(
My mate's neighbours in Houston, who are in their late 50's and are fit, non smoking, with no previous bad health conditions pay $3500 a month for both of them!! :o :o :o
That's an all singing and dancing policy mind, but I bet there's still an excess to pay! :-\ ::)
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There is a myth perpetuated by the left in this country that we only have two possible options for healthcare.
The NHS as it currently is (with a lot of additional funding), or the U.S. system.
Most people seem to accept this without question.
The fact is that there are many other options in between the two, as used by numerous countries all around the world.
The NHS is broken, much more broken than anyone in politics or the media will admit to, and it simply is not sustainable, or even particularily useful in its current form.
If it doesn't radically change in the near future, it will surely die.
My family have had the misfortune to have had numerous serious health issues and had to use the NHS a great deal in the last 10 years, and most of the treatment has varied between mediocre and absolutely appalling.
A while back we relented and went private (after yet another near death experience due to sheer incompetence) and the difference was nothing short of staggering.
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There is a myth perpetuated by the left in this country that we only have two possible options for healthcare.
The NHS as it currently is (with a lot of additional funding), or the U.S. system.
Most people seem to accept this without question.
The fact is that there are many other options in between the two, as used by numerous countries all around the world.
The NHS is broken, much more broken than anyone in politics or the media will admit to, and it simply is not sustainable, or even particularily useful in its current form.
If it doesn't radically change in the near future, it will surely die.
My family have had the misfortune to have had numerous serious health issues and had to use the NHS a great deal in the last 10 years, and most of the treatment has varied between mediocre and absolutely appalling.
A while back we relented and went private (after yet another near death experience due to sheer incompetence) and the difference was nothing short of staggering.
I have two family member experiences of private. First my dad who when faced with a second hernia op on the other side opted for private. It was only a slightly better experience. The other was a brother in law. Acute Appendicitus. Went private with his all singing dancing policy . Two days later he was doubled up on the floor in the bathroom in agony. Went to A and E and the same specialist now on NHS time opened him up and cleaned out the now septic mess he had left in there
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Quote from: Taxi Al on Today at 18:07:10
A noble sentiment, but at least if we went down the private/insurance route we ought to get what we pay for rather than paying for something which fundamentally doesn't work :-\
And actually healthcare costs should fall due to competition :y
Just like they do in the US? ::)
Where 75% of bankruptcies are caused by medical bills not being able to be paid. My son in law has just been told he has to pay $11000 dollars for a minor operation on his knee of which he has to contribute $6000 despite having health insurance >:( On the other hand SWMBO has to undergo exactly the same procedure in this country under the NHS completely free!!
So who wants a US system of insurance based healthcare now? >:(
That suggests simply that he doesn't have the correct level of cover...
A bit like having a £500 excess on a £600 car ::)
Comparing the US with the UK doesn't really work due to the way the States are arranged.
The NHS is in a state, has been for years, decades probably, private is an alternative that's all. It certainly wouldn't fix the NHS...
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To answer my earlier question...
http://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/key-statistics-on-the-nhs
£1913 per capita in 2012-2013...
A fully comprehensive Bupa policy with 0 excess would cost me about £140 per month as it stands. Sure prescription costs would be above that, but I have to pay for them anyway...
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Quote from: Taxi Al on Today at 18:07:10
A noble sentiment, but at least if we went down the private/insurance route we ought to get what we pay for rather than paying for something which fundamentally doesn't work :-\
And actually healthcare costs should fall due to competition :y
Just like they do in the US? ::)
Where 75% of bankruptcies are caused by medical bills not being able to be paid. My son in law has just been told he has to pay $11000 dollars for a minor operation on his knee of which he has to contribute $6000 despite having health insurance >:( On the other hand SWMBO has to undergo exactly the same procedure in this country under the NHS completely free!!
So who wants a US system of insurance based healthcare now? >:(
That suggests simply that he doesn't have the correct level of cover...
A bit like having a £500 excess on a £600 car ::)
Comparing the US with the UK doesn't really work due to the way the States are arranged.
The NHS is in a state, has been for years, decades probably, private is an alternative that's all. It certainly wouldn't fix the NHS...
Sorry Al but the reason he doesn't have the level of cover you are suggesting he should have is that he (and many others like him in the US) just cannot afford the premiums that insurance companies charge. I should add that he is in normally good health and in a job as a chef which pays an average wage. Thus he and my daughter have the choice of paying exorbitant health insurance premiums, defaulting on a mortgage, starving or sending their two school age kids out on the streets.
I have also been in hospital recently and happened to be treated under the NHS in a private hospital which is adjacent to our NHS one. This was because the NHS had to cancel routine ops because of the current underfunding and A&E problems (see press today - 19,471 ops cancelled for non clinical reasons during Oct, Nov and Dec, s 23% increase since last year). This private hospital has about 30 rooms of which only 7 were occupied, 5 by NHS patients and only two presumably private patients. The reason - the outrageously high premiums charged by medical insurers which people can just not afford any more. This private establishment would speedily go bust were it not for the fact that the NHS has had to use it because of bed shortages etc.
God help us all if we lose our NHS system which despite all the protestation from Cameron and his cronies is exactly what they want.
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God help us all if we lose our NHS system which despite all the protestation from Cameron and his cronies is exactly what they want.
Its what they all want in honesty. They are (all) hopefully intelligent enough to realise the maths do not work.
I'm all for a NHS style system. But the one we have is too inefficient, and for the last 20yrs has been declared by every troubleshooter brought in as irreparably broken.
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And as commented earlier, charging for quack visits and A&E visits will reduce the burdens, stopping the stupid tarts taking little Johnny to the quacks because he has a minor cold.
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Well the sooner we have that vote on the EU and vote to get out of it , that will be a few billion a year to pay off the debt :y
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Well the sooner we have that vote on the EU and vote to get out of it , that will be a few billion a year to pay off the debt :y
How much, Mr EMD? How much do you think our average worker pays for the EU? How much do you think being in the EU brings into the UK economy?
For the economy to flourish in our global world, you have to export more than you import. Exporting is bloody hard if you build up borders.
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Well the sooner we have that vote on the EU and vote to get out of it , that will be a few billion a year to pay off the debt :y
How much, Mr EMD? How much do you think our average worker pays for the EU? How much do you think being in the EU brings into the UK economy?
For the economy to flourish in our global world, you have to export more than you import. Exporting is bloody hard if you build up borders.
They need us more than we need them or at least thats what i hear :-\ Trade wouldnt suffer it would be just the same :-\
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They need us more than we need them or at least thats what i hear :-\
Where did you hear? Farage? ;)
Trade wouldnt suffer it would be just the same :-\
Eh? Of course it would be less. Exports would be more expensive, not just due to customs etc, but also the extra buearocracy. Imports would be more expensive for the same reasons. Hence inflation would go up, then interest rates would soar. Then we're in a downturn, then, well, you get the idea....
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They need us more than we need them or at least thats what i hear :-\
Where did you hear? Farage? ;)
Trade wouldnt suffer it would be just the same :-\
Eh? Of course it would be less. Exports would be more expensive, not just due to customs etc, but also the extra buearocracy. Imports would be more expensive for the same reasons. Hence inflation would go up, then interest rates would soar. Then we're in a downturn, then, well, you get the idea....
Yep ;D Some ones telling porkies ::) Im not a political enthusiast but i can understand what your saying though but no one has mentioned it like that :( Not got a clue to vote for now :-\
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It needs massive fundamental change, but there isn't a politician with the backbone to grasp that nettle.
I've said hundreds of times on this forum, it needs closing down. If the will is there, rebuild it again from the ground up. But the current setup has been looked at by successful business experts, and all have agreed, it cannot be fixed as it is
I would have to agree with you on this one
That may well be true, but the day we have to rely on insurance companies to look after our health will be the day before I emigrate. >:(
A noble sentiment, but at least if we went down the private/insurance route we ought to get what we pay for rather than paying for something which fundamentally doesn't work :-\
And actually healthcare costs should fall due to competition :y
did actually anyone ever look into country's which allready doing this so called private rent crap?
you never get out what you pay in.
if you pay today 5 pound in you not getting the value of 5 pound out in 15 years tuime.
so who is loosing out and who is making the big bugs on here?
is allways the insurer which coming up with such brilliant ideas of getting your money.
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Well the sooner we have that vote on the EU and vote to get out of it , that will be a few billion a year to pay off the debt :y
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brings us only negative laws and regulations and we have to pay for that
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They need us more than we need them or at least thats what i hear :-\
Where did you hear? Farage? ;)
Trade wouldnt suffer it would be just the same :-\
Eh? Of course it would be less. Exports would be more expensive, not just due to customs etc, but also the extra buearocracy. Imports would be more expensive for the same reasons. Hence inflation would go up, then interest rates would soar. Then we're in a downturn, then, well, you get the idea....
Yep ;D Some ones telling porkies ::) Im not a political enthusiast but i can understand what your saying though but no one has mentioned it like that :( Not got a clue to vote for now :-\
one of us! lol
maybe we should implement a law for PM's?
simple rule, if people not happy with the PM we should make a decition after 1 year what to be happened with the big boss.
hanging, shooting, cutting in pieces while alive, or rewarding it. depending on how good he is to us.
hows that?
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right, i better stop here now, i had my rant and i only get angry .
i leave it now and not think anymore of it.
whoever comes on power is only up for his friends anyway.
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Membership of the EU has its problems, which need sorting out, but if anyone thinks this country would be safer outside the EU given the current problems in Eastern Europe, not to mention our denuded armed forces, they are sadly misinformed. :-X :y
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Membership of the EU has its problems, which need sorting out, but if anyone thinks this country would be safer outside the EU given the current problems in Eastern Europe, not to mention our denuded armed forces, they are sadly misinformed. :-X :y
Don't get me started on that one >:( ;D ;D
One question though .............. IF Putin ever decides he wants a piece of the British Isles, can you ever see any country in Europe shedding blood to help us ?
Personally, I think mainland Europe would turn the other cheek and leave us to rot >:( >:(
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Membership of the EU has its problems, which need sorting out, but if anyone thinks this country would be safer outside the EU given the current problems in Eastern Europe, not to mention our denuded armed forces, they are sadly misinformed. :-X :y
It is easy to confuse EU, Europe, NATO and EEA. Norway and Switzerland are in the EEA and trade perfectly happily with other countries in the EU. Some countries in NATO aren't in the EU. So Britain could be out of the EU, in NATO and in the EEA trading with other European countries (they sell us more than we sell them). The NATO constitution is quite clear - Article 5 — an attack on any member is an attack on all. What might help is for member countries to actually spend their agreed 2% of GDP on armed forces and kit. ONLY four do out of the 28 members- including Britain and Greece. Germany (a rich country is woefully behind) So whilst we might consider our contribution denuded at least we are meeting our commitment :y
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I think TG is absolutely right. It would be pretty naïve to believe anything else. :y
Putin aint our problem, but he could be in the future. If that time comes it will be between him, the U.S. and possibly China.
We will then rely on the U.S. (as leader of the NATO allies)to protect us as usual,and being in or out of the E.U wont have anything to do with it.
Lets not forget that this whole mess was caused by the EU expansionist empire building attitude. They tried to lure Ukraine away from Russias "sphere of influence" and into theirs.
They did it in their usual amateurish,hamfisted manner, which is the way that political pygmies tend to operate.
It was long understood that Ukraine was a neutral zone between EU and Russia. They sponsored the overthrowing of Ukraines elected govt. and opened a huge can of worms.
The U.K. is a huge market for the rest of the E.U. If we left they would be crazy to try any silly games regarding trade etc. they couldn't afford to.
I wouldn't want to the man to tell the CEO,s of MB, VAG,BMW, Fiat, Renault, Citreon, etc. etc. etc. that politics is going to interfere with trading with the U.K. economy, which is soon going to overtake Germany as Europes biggest economy.
We would however become free to trade directly with the rest of the world.
The trade we do with the EU is shrinking fast and theres no sign of that trend ever being reversed, due to the fact that the EU economy is fatally flawed and cant work in the real world.
The Commonwealth (just to take one example) is growing fast, and I believe is now actually a larger economy than than the EU.
We are shackled to a sinking ship.
None of these issues are the real point though. The real issue is that the EU has changed from a mutually beneficial trading club to a union of states, just like the U.S.
This has resulted in the member states relinquishing their status as independent sovereign nations. In the case of the U.K this has been done by stealth and without the consent of the electorate, and for that reason alone we should leave.
If we are to cease to be a nation and change to being a member state of another political entity then our politicians should have asked for our consent beforehand. The fact that they didn't do this shows they have no interest in Britain, democracy, or even have any real confidence in their own project.
The opening of the EU parliament last year had a large banner hanging above proceedings. It read, 28 member states (not countries) 500 million citizens, ONE (yes ONE) parliament !
Westminster (supposedly the mother of all parliaments) is in reality, now no more than a council chamber, which can only make laws which comply with laws already made by committees in Brussells
There was also a group of soldiers almost goose stepping a huge EU flag under the banner. All a bit sinister in my view.
In 20 years time the EU will either have collapsed completely, or we will be in a full political union. One leader, one treasury, one taxation system, one currency,one pension system, one defence force, etc. etc.
That is the plan, and the direction we are headed in, the powers that be know this but they don't like to admit it to us plebs. We might get upset, get the idea that we should have some say in the matter. It has to happen, as the EU cannot possibly work any other way.
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Well said that man MigV6. :y :y :y :y
The problem all along is that ,with the exception of UKIP, the rest of the parties drivers are to be in. Cameron is only offering a referendum as a vote catcher. Neither he, nor more importantly his backers, believe that the UK would vote for out.
It may well be the collapse of the euro in the southern states that acts as a trigger for change with Germany, Belgium and France becoming a super state with a strong euro going back to the original EEA trading group concept.
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Cameron intends to pull exactly the same con trick on the British people that Wilson pulled in the 70,s.
Wilson actually gave a cast iron guarantee that there would be no further integration !
Cameron, like his hero Blair before him, doesn't actually believe in anything at all apart from his own career.
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Cameron, like his hero Blair before him, doesn't actually believe in anything at all apart from his own career.
Like every other politician..
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Cameron, like his hero Blair before him, doesn't actually believe in anything at all apart from his own career.
Like every other politician..
Sad but true that >:(
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I would say most of them, but not quite all of them. There are still a few (very few) in all the parties who do what they do because they believe in it. :y
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I would say most of them, but not quite all of them. There are still a few (very few) in all the parties who do what they do because they believe in it. :y
Fair point
I have done work for Alan Johnson a few times over the years and if i'm honest, he is one of the most genuine blokes i've ever met ............... shame he talks 'dangle berries' when it comes to politics ;D
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Whoever gets in they will have promised everything and they'll give you nothing,then vote themselves another pay rise to make up for their expenses shortfall.The Tories get in they'll blame Labour still for the mess we're still in.labour get in they'll blame the Tories for leaving such a mess behind!I've only named the two parties as let's face it it's either of those or another coalition,don't see any other party forming a stand alone government.
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right, i better stop here now, i had my rant and i only get angry .
i leave it now and not think anymore of it.
whoever comes on power is only up for his friends anyway.
FFS 13 years of Labour damn near bankrupted the place >:( fixing that takes time...
As for jobs for mates... 'dangle berries'... the reason that they all think the same is that they were educated in a handfull of places for the most part...
Eton and Harrow etc have been, successfully, producing industrial and political leaders for centuries, and as long as that continues, the same sorts of people will remain in charge ::)
If you really don't like it, can string a coherent sentence together and can rustle up the application fee, the quit bitching, grow a pair and run for your local constituency as an independent candidate. Give the disillusioned something to vote for instead of UKIP.
If you don't have the balls, sit down and shut up!
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A message just flashed on top of my screen which said something about playing nicely as no-one wants keyboard warriors.
Im guessing it doesn't come up on your screen ? :-\ ::) :)
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I am playing nicely :y
Moaning is a British condition... how ever shitty your world is, you ALWAYS have a choice... somethings you can't physically change, losing a limb for example, but even then you can change your outlook.
Politics is one area where individuals can genuinely make a difference. But only if you step up. All I am saying is that if you aren't prepared to step up, then don't come moaning to me if you don't like the outcome :y
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Private healthcare is great idea provided you are young fit and healthy.....and oh yes....wealthy. :)
When you are old and f*cked it doesn't hold the same appeal.
Pet insurance is a prime example. If you own a fit young hound they will welcome you with open arms. Even then there will be an excess that makes your eyes water should you need to claim.
Then try insuring your shagged out fourteen year mongrel with a long list of ailments.
The NHS for all it's faults does a pretty good job in my view. :y
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Private healthcare is great idea provided you are young fit and healthy.....and oh yes....wealthy. :)
.. all the time your insurers can take your premiums and not have to pay out a penny, oddly enough.
Then you get a condition, and they start debating which eye they'll save the sight in, because they won't pay out to save both and so on. Arguing the toss with insurers over material things that don't really matter that much is bad enough...
... or, as in my case, one of your hobbies is something quite safe that their aviation "expert" knows the square root of naff all about, so they won't even contemplate covering you. ::)
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What about the green party :-\
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What about the green party :-\
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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What about the green party :-\
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
yes, ask someone who lives in Brighton how that story ends. ;D
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What about the green party :-\
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
yes, ask someone who lives in Brighton how that story ends. ;D
With rainbows? ;D
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What about the green party :-\
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
yes, ask someone who lives in Brighton how that story ends. ;D
With rainbows? ;D
Caroline Lucas seems easy on the eye. :-* :-*
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Caroline Lucas seems easy on the eye. :-* :-*
I'd have to remove her to a place where the council actually empty the bins first. ::)
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What about the green party :-\
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Couldn't have phrased that better ;D
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::)
I always vote and will be this year , it wont be for any of the 3 at the top of the list ::)
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I always vote and will be this year , it wont be for any of the 3 at the top of the list ::)
And therein lies the problem. Many people feel that way and will vote for minority parties as the big parties have lost the trust of the population. So we will end up with another coalition, but this time it will be made up of more than 2 parties and the horse trading will take weeks before a government can be formed. :(
The resulting government will be weak and thanks to Camoron and his fixed term parliaments we will be stuck with it for the next 5 years, during which Britain will stagnate as nothing will get done. ::) :(
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right, i better stop here now, i had my rant and i only get angry .
i leave it now and not think anymore of it.
whoever comes on power is only up for his friends anyway.
FFS 13 years of Labour damn near bankrupted the place >:( fixing that takes time...
As for jobs for mates... 'dangle berries'... the reason that they all think the same is that they were educated in a handfull of places for the most part...
Eton and Harrow etc have been, successfully, producing industrial and political leaders for centuries, and as long as that continues, the same sorts of people will remain in charge ::)
If you really don't like it, can string a coherent sentence together and can rustle up the application fee, the quit bitching, grow a pair and run for your local constituency as an independent candidate. Give the disillusioned something to vote for instead of UKIP.
If you don't have the balls, sit down and shut up!
To be fair, it's not just in Government where this can happen, I am intending to retire soon, and already have the feelers out for something to top up the pension, although it is my intention to have a few months off, however, if something comes my way............... ;) ;)