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[TheBoy]

They need us more than we need them or at least thats what i hear 

Where did you hear? Farage?

Trade wouldnt suffer it would be just the same 

Eh? Of course it would be less.  Exports would be more expensive, not just due to customs etc, but also the extra buearocracy. Imports would be more expensive for the same reasons. Hence inflation would go up, then interest rates would soar. Then we're in a downturn, then, well, you get the idea....

[EMD]

They need us more than we need them or at least thats what i hear 

Where did you hear? Farage?

Trade wouldnt suffer it would be just the same 

Eh? Of course it would be less.  Exports would be more expensive, not just due to customs etc, but also the extra buearocracy. Imports would be more expensive for the same reasons. Hence inflation would go up, then interest rates would soar. Then we're in a downturn, then, well, you get the idea....

Yep  Some ones telling porkies  Im not a political enthusiast but i can understand what your saying though but no one has mentioned it like that  Not got a clue to vote for now 

[ckz]

It needs massive fundamental change, but there isn't a politician with the backbone to grasp that nettle.

I've said hundreds of times on this forum, it needs closing down. If the will is there, rebuild it again from the ground up. But the current setup has been looked at by successful business experts, and all have agreed, it cannot be fixed as it is

I would have to agree with you on this one

That may well be true, but the day we have to rely on insurance companies to look after our health will be the day before I emigrate. 

A noble sentiment, but at least if we went down the private/insurance route we ought to get what we pay for rather than paying for something which fundamentally doesn't work

And actually healthcare costs should fall due to competition

did actually anyone ever look into country's which allready doing this so called private rent crap?
you never get out what you pay in.
if you pay today 5 pound in you not getting the value of 5 pound out in 15 years tuime.
so who is loosing out and who is making the big bugs on here?


is allways the insurer which coming up with such brilliant ideas of getting your money.

[ckz]

Well the sooner we have that vote on the EU and vote to get out of it , that will be a few billion a year to pay off the debt 

OUT

brings us only negative laws and regulations and we have to pay for that

[ckz]

They need us more than we need them or at least thats what i hear 

Where did you hear? Farage?

Trade wouldnt suffer it would be just the same 

Eh? Of course it would be less.  Exports would be more expensive, not just due to customs etc, but also the extra buearocracy. Imports would be more expensive for the same reasons. Hence inflation would go up, then interest rates would soar. Then we're in a downturn, then, well, you get the idea....

Yep  Some ones telling porkies  Im not a political enthusiast but i can understand what your saying though but no one has mentioned it like that  Not got a clue to vote for now 

one of us! lol


maybe we should implement a law for PM's?
simple rule, if people not happy with the PM we should make a decition after 1 year what to be happened with the big boss.
hanging, shooting, cutting in pieces while alive, or rewarding it. depending on how good he is to us.
hows that?

[ckz]

right, i better stop here now, i had my rant and i only get angry .
i leave it now and not think anymore of it.
whoever comes on power is only up for his friends anyway.

[Shackeng]

Membership of the EU has its problems, which need sorting out, but if anyone thinks this country would be safer outside the EU given the current problems in Eastern Europe, not to mention our denuded armed forces, they are sadly misinformed.

[tigers_gonads]

Membership of the EU has its problems, which need sorting out, but if anyone thinks this country would be safer outside the EU given the current problems in Eastern Europe, not to mention our denuded armed forces, they are sadly misinformed.

Don't get me started on that one 

One question though .............. IF Putin ever decides he wants a piece of the British Isles, can you ever see any country in Europe shedding blood to help us ?
Personally, I think mainland Europe would turn the other cheek and leave us to rot 

[Varche]

Membership of the EU has its problems, which need sorting out, but if anyone thinks this country would be safer outside the EU given the current problems in Eastern Europe, not to mention our denuded armed forces, they are sadly misinformed.

It is easy to confuse EU, Europe, NATO and EEA. Norway and Switzerland are in the EEA and trade perfectly happily with other countries in the EU. Some countries in NATO aren't in the EU.  So Britain could be out of the EU, in NATO and in the EEA trading with other European countries (they sell us more than we sell them). The NATO constitution is quite clear -  Article 5 — an attack on any member is an attack on all. What might help is for member countries to actually spend their agreed 2% of GDP on armed forces and kit. ONLY four do out of the 28 members- including Britain and Greece. Germany (a rich country is woefully behind) So whilst we might consider our contribution denuded at least we are meeting our commitment

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I think TG is absolutely right. It would be pretty naïve to believe anything else. 
Putin aint our problem, but he could be in the future. If that time comes it will be between him, the U.S. and possibly China.
We will then rely on the U.S. (as leader of the NATO allies)to protect us as usual,and being in or out of the E.U wont have anything to do with it.
Lets not forget that this whole mess was caused by the EU expansionist empire building attitude. They tried to lure Ukraine away from Russias "sphere of influence" and into theirs.
They did it in their usual amateurish,hamfisted manner, which is the way that political pygmies tend to operate.
It was long understood that Ukraine was a neutral zone between EU and Russia. They sponsored the overthrowing of Ukraines elected govt. and opened a huge can of worms.

The U.K. is a huge market for the rest of the E.U. If we left they would be crazy to try any silly games regarding trade etc. they couldn't afford to.
I wouldn't want to the man to tell the CEO,s of MB, VAG,BMW, Fiat, Renault, Citreon, etc. etc. etc. that politics is going to interfere with trading with the U.K. economy, which is soon going to overtake Germany as Europes biggest economy.
We would however become free to trade directly with the rest of the world.
The trade we do with the EU is shrinking fast and theres no sign of that trend ever being reversed, due to the fact that the EU economy is fatally flawed and cant work in the real world.
The Commonwealth (just to take one example) is growing fast, and I believe is now actually a larger economy than than the EU.
We are shackled to a sinking ship.
None of these issues are the real point though. The real issue is that the EU has changed from a mutually beneficial trading club to a union of states, just like the U.S.
This has resulted in the member states relinquishing their status as independent sovereign nations. In the case of the U.K this has been done by stealth and without the consent of the electorate, and for that reason alone we should leave.
If we are to cease to be a nation and change to being a member state of another political entity then our politicians should have asked for our consent beforehand. The fact that they didn't do this shows they have no interest in Britain, democracy, or even have any real confidence in their own project.
The opening of the EU parliament last year had a large banner hanging above proceedings. It read, 28 member states (not countries) 500 million citizens, ONE (yes ONE) parliament !
Westminster (supposedly the mother of all parliaments) is in reality, now no more than a council chamber, which can only make laws which comply with laws already made by committees in Brussells
There was also a group of soldiers almost goose stepping a huge EU flag under the banner. All a bit sinister in my view.
In 20 years time the EU will either have collapsed completely, or we will be in a full political union. One leader, one treasury, one taxation system, one currency,one pension system, one defence force, etc. etc.
That is the plan, and the direction we are headed in, the powers that be know this but they don't like to admit it to us plebs. We might get upset, get the idea that we should have some say in the matter. It has to happen, as the EU cannot possibly work any other way.

[Varche]

Well said that man MigV6.

The problem all along is that ,with the exception of UKIP, the rest of the parties drivers are to be in. Cameron is only offering a referendum as a vote catcher. Neither he, nor more importantly his backers, believe that the UK would vote for out.

It may well be the collapse of the euro in the southern states that acts as a trigger for change with Germany, Belgium and France becoming a super state with a strong euro going back to the original EEA trading group concept. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Cameron intends to pull exactly the same con trick on the British people that Wilson pulled in the 70,s.
Wilson actually gave a cast iron guarantee that there would be no further integration ! 
Cameron, like his hero Blair before him, doesn't actually believe in anything at all apart from his own career.

[aaronjb]

Cameron, like his hero Blair before him, doesn't actually believe in anything at all apart from his own career.

Like every other politician..

[tigers_gonads]

Cameron, like his hero Blair before him, doesn't actually believe in anything at all apart from his own career.

Like every other politician..

Sad but true that 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I would say most of them, but not quite all of them. There are still a few (very few) in all the parties who do what they do because they believe in it.