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Title: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 13:58:19
. . . . or is it April Fool's Day?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/laurence-fox-sainsburys-black-history-month-twitter-boycott-b800925.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/laurence-fox-sainsburys-black-history-month-twitter-boycott-b800925.html)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 16 December 2020, 14:03:46
He is at war with the liberal left wokies. More power to him for it. It isnt easy to swim against the tide in showbiz. It may well wreck his career.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 14:08:39
He is at war with the liberal left wokies. More power to him for it. It isnt easy to swim against the tide in showbiz. It may well wreck his career.

Reading between the lines it seems that Sainsbury are insisting customers obediently bend a knee to BLM, or shop elsewhere. Insanity. :-\



Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Rangie on 16 December 2020, 14:44:24
Some folk  will do anything to get themselves a bit of attention especially "luvvies".
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 14:48:17
I'll never shop at sainburys again either. Mind you, I've never shopped there before, so I doubt they'll miss my custom.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 15:06:09
Sainsbury are taking on the role of 'moral guardian' to the poor oppressed black people by the evil racist white man

They should stick to selling tins of beans and shove their pious moral opinions up their arse.

I'm not going be lectured on what I may or may not think by a f*ucking grocer. :-\
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 16 December 2020, 15:19:25
You're about two months behind the times with this story M'lud and you've posted it in the wrong section!  :P  ;D

The Bristol Cream must be going down well this afternoon!  :D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 15:23:39
You're about two months behind the times with this story M'lud and you've posted it in the wrong section!  :P  ;D

The Bristol Cream must be going down well this afternoon!  :D

Yes I know......but it is the first I have heard of it.  :)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 15:24:23
You're about two months behind the times with this story M'lud and you've posted it in the wrong section!  :P  ;D

The Bristol Cream must be going down well this afternoon!  :D
Silly old duffer  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 15:26:34
You're about two months behind the times with this story M'lud and you've posted it in the wrong section!  :P  ;D

The Bristol Cream must be going down well this afternoon!  :D
Silly old duffer  ;D

I'm decades younger than you. :)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 16 December 2020, 15:35:51
Sainsbury are taking on the role of 'moral guardian' to the poor oppressed black people by the evil racist white man

They should stick to selling tins of beans and shove their pious moral opinions up their arse.

I'm not going be lectured on what I may or may not think by a f*ucking grocer. :-\


Now you are going too far Opti, and in the wrong section! ::) ::) :P

Sainsbury's are just recognising that we live in a multi-racial and ethnic society and reflects their customer base where ALL (apart from shop lifters!) are more than welcome and you can buy ingredients and dishes that reflect an international flavour.   No one, especially any national retailer like Sainsbury's, is expecting it's customers to obey / follow any particular political message with "taking the knee" because that is not what they are doing.  In retail that is commercially suicidal.

Lawrence over reacted and obviously believes he is more important than he is as just another actor.   ::) ::)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 15:40:40
Lawrence is just saying what most white people think, good on him.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 December 2020, 15:51:35
Lawrence is just saying what most white people think, good on him.
Agreed.

In exercising his right of expression, he has been derided by the woke leftist bandwagon and it has effectively resulted in destroying his career, yet still he stands by what he believes and rightly so. And clearly there are those who agree with him strongly enough to stand by him as he formed a burgeoning political group.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Rangie on 16 December 2020, 15:53:40
All this BLM & black history boll ocks it has put them back 60 + years as for our TV ads I sometimes wonder if I'm living in Africa or Jamaica .
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 16:11:04
The white 'boss men' at the top of Sainsbury's have been told they need to be more 'woke' unless they want to be seen as racist.

So, they fall over themselves in their effort to show how cosmopolitan and inclusive they are. Then, as patronising white liberal saviours of the poor oppressed black people, they  infantilize black people further by giving them a 'safe space' where they can be safe from white people (presumably the same evil white bigots who also work in the shop)

BLM will always attract black people with a victim mentality.......just blame everything on the white man. Fortunately there are many black people who do not feel oppressed or buy into the evil white man with his white privilege narrative. Such black people tend to do very well in life. Good on them :y



     
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 16:15:20
All this BLM & black history boll ocks it has put them back 60 + years as for our TV ads I sometimes wonder if I'm living in Africa or Jamaica .

Yep....BLM makes sure that everything in 2020 is seen through the lens of race. White oppressors and their black victims. The exact opposite of MLK who wanted to bring people together rather than create a victim/oppressor divide.. :-\
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 December 2020, 16:17:18
I wonder if this outward display of corporate positive diversity is a manifestation of Sainsbury's becoming a part of Walmart...

My aunt has almost always shopped at Sainsbugs, and usually at the 'diverse' Crawley* store. She tends to wear a St Christopher necklace, nothing new or strange there, and never an issue when shopping. However a month or so ago, the (presumed to be Muslim, by way of her hijab) point blank refused to serve my aunt until she hid her necklace. Unusually for her, she didn't speak her mind, but stormed out of the shop in disgust. Personally I would have had the store manager out and possibly the police.

The sad reality is that anyone who doesn't 'bend the knee' is automatically deemed to be racist, and if you're white and 'bend the knee' you are deemed to have been racist by acknowledging your guilt... Why apologise if you have nothing to apologise for.

*Crawley, being a New Town has always been a pot of genuine diversity, and generally without significant cultural clashes... The shittier parts are generally poor/white, the posher parts generally white and well to do non whites, and the bulk of the town is pretty much a melting pot.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 16:27:19
Argos can eff off, too. Owned by sainsbury.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 16 December 2020, 16:33:22
I try to boycott Sainsburys every week, but I eventually have to get out of the car and go in and try and get swmbo out before she bankrupts me.  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 16:36:13
I try to boycott Sainsburys every week, but I eventually have to get out of the car and go in and try and get swmbo out before she bankrupts me.  ;D
Just tell her you object to doing it on principle, and you'll drop her at Aldi/Lidl or she'll walk.





When you wake up, the nice, black nurse will stitch your face for you  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 16 December 2020, 16:36:52
Youve been to my house.  :o ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 16:41:27
I wonder if this outward display of corporate positive diversity is a manifestation of Sainsbury's becoming a part of Walmart...

My aunt has almost always shopped at Sainsbugs, and usually at the 'diverse' Crawley* store. She tends to wear a St Christopher necklace, nothing new or strange there, and never an issue when shopping. However a month or so ago, the (presumed to be Muslim, by way of her hijab) point blank refused to serve my aunt until she hid her necklace. Unusually for her, she didn't speak her mind, but stormed out of the shop in disgust. Personally I would have had the store manager out and possibly the police.

The sad reality is that anyone who doesn't 'bend the knee' is automatically deemed to be racist, and if you're white and 'bend the knee' you are deemed to have been racist by acknowledging your guilt... Why apologise if you have nothing to apologise for.

*Crawley, being a New Town has always been a pot of genuine diversity, and generally without significant cultural clashes... The shittier parts are generally poor/white, the posher parts generally white and well to do non whites, and the bulk of the town is pretty much a melting pot.

This is where we find ourselves in 2020.

A different view or opinion is simply not allowed. If you have a different viewpoint then you are a racist. No ifs or buts. George Floyd is the new messiah.

Also, Al....you are a white man of a certain vintage therefore your opinions are irrelevant.

 
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 16:43:49
Irrelevant to who? I don't give a toss about BLM and I don't care who knows it. Their views are as irrelevant to me as mine are to them. The only reason this shit rears it's ugly head is because of the media, it doesn't affect anyone's day.......does it?
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 December 2020, 16:45:25
Irrelevant to who? I don't give a toss about BLM and I don't care who knows it. Their views are as irrelevant to me as mine are to them. The only reason this shit rears it's ugly head is because of the media, it doesn't affect anyone's day.......does it?
It never used to... But thanks to a contiued leftist push for CRT, unfortunately it does more and more.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 16:48:57
My wife's main school has 97% Muslim children, both black and Asian. BLM doesn't seem to be very high on the agenda, with either parents or kids. It only exists in the minds of unemployed, white, left wing youths; Gay, middle aged serial protesters and the BBC. Ignore it, you're giving it oxygen.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Nick W on 16 December 2020, 16:52:36

In exercising his right of expression, he has been derided by the woke leftist bandwagon and it has effectively resulted in destroying his career, yet still he stands by what he believes and rightly so. And clearly there are those who agree with him strongly enough to stand by him as he formed a burgeoning political group.


He might be more persuasive if he didn't present himself as a petulant jerk enjoying his self-inflicted victimhood.


Or just stuck at acting.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 16:53:12
My wife's main school has 97% Muslim children, both black and Asian. BLM doesn't seem to be very high on the agenda, with either parents or kids. It only exists in the minds of unemployed, white, left wing youths; Gay, middle aged serial protesters and the BBC. Ignore it, you're giving it oxygen.

......I thought you lived in England. ::)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 16:54:08
My wife's main school has 97% Muslim children, both black and Asian. BLM doesn't seem to be very high on the agenda, with either parents or kids. It only exists in the minds of unemployed, white, left wing youths; Gay, middle aged serial protesters and the BBC. Ignore it, you're giving it oxygen.
Oh.....and the soon-to-be cancelled sky sports channels.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 16:56:07
My wife's main school has 97% Muslim children, both black and Asian. BLM doesn't seem to be very high on the agenda, with either parents or kids. It only exists in the minds of unemployed, white, left wing youths; Gay, middle aged serial protesters and the BBC. Ignore it, you're giving it oxygen.

......I thought you lived in England. ::)
It's a Church of England school, too. Yes...really  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 December 2020, 16:57:11
It cost me a recent job offer because I presumed 'diversity' to mean a general acceptance of different people and their opinions and beliefs.

I wonder if the 3% was reversed whether it would become an issue...

You're right, obviously that it should be a total non issue, but the wokeness is becoming harder and harder to ignore, and stomach.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 16:57:18
Irrelevant to who? I don't give a toss about BLM and I don't care who knows it. Their views are as irrelevant to me as mine are to them. The only reason this shit rears it's ugly head is because of the media, it doesn't affect anyone's day.......does it?

Irrelevant to the powers that be. Politicians and big business.

On the plus side.....all your views may still be relevant to your wife, your son, and your whippet. Every cloud. ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 16:57:48

In exercising his right of expression, he has been derided by the woke leftist bandwagon and it has effectively resulted in destroying his career, yet still he stands by what he believes and rightly so. And clearly there are those who agree with him strongly enough to stand by him as he formed a burgeoning political group.


He might be more persuasive if he didn't present himself as a petulant jerk enjoying his self-inflicted victimhood.


Or just stuck at acting.
I've never heard of him, and I'm not about to go googling. He is as irrelevant to me as BLM.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 December 2020, 16:58:49
Sergeant Hatthaway in Lewis ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 16:59:07
Irrelevant to who? I don't give a toss about BLM and I don't care who knows it. Their views are as irrelevant to me as mine are to them. The only reason this shit rears it's ugly head is because of the media, it doesn't affect anyone's day.......does it?

Irrelevant to the powers that be. Politicians and big business.

On the plus side.....all your views may still be relevant to your wife, your son, and your whippet. Every cloud. ;)
I'm at the 'couldn't give a shit' stage of life. My views are just the way I like them.....entrenched.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 16:59:27
Sergeant Hatthaway in Lewis ;)
Nope  :-\
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 December 2020, 17:01:45
Sergeant Hatthaway in Lewis ;)
Nope  :-\
The posh upstart to counter Lewis's northern, er, simplicity...

Although their boss is that posh indian actress of a certain age ::)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 17:03:28
My lad is a 21 year old student, so should be educating me in things such as this. He only speaks two phrases: "Where's me clean shirt?" and "What's for tea?".
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 17:03:49
My wife's main school has 97% Muslim children, both black and Asian. BLM doesn't seem to be very high on the agenda, with either parents or kids. It only exists in the minds of unemployed, white, left wing youths; Gay, middle aged serial protesters and the BBC. Ignore it, you're giving it oxygen.

......I thought you lived in England. ::)
It's a Church of England school, too. Yes...really  ;D


I attended a C of E primary school in the sixties. Every kid was white......every kid had a mum and a Dad.......Every Tuesday we enjoyed 'a portion of spotted dick'........every Dad drove an Austin or a Morris.

Christ it was tough. ::)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 17:04:43
Sergeant Hatthaway in Lewis ;)
Nope  :-\
The posh upstart to counter Lewis's northern, er, simplicity...

Although their boss is that posh indian actress of a certain age ::)
Lewis, Morse, Village with a different murder every farts end.......never watched any of them.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 17:05:25
My wife's main school has 97% Muslim children, both black and Asian. BLM doesn't seem to be very high on the agenda, with either parents or kids. It only exists in the minds of unemployed, white, left wing youths; Gay, middle aged serial protesters and the BBC. Ignore it, you're giving it oxygen.

......I thought you lived in England. ::)
It's a Church of England school, too. Yes...really  ;D


I attended a C of E primary school in the sixties. Every kid was white......every kid had a mum and a Dad.......Every Tuesday we enjoyed 'a portion of spotted dick'........every Dad drove an Austin or a Morris.

Christ it was tough. ::)
Was it the RE teacher who gave you the spotted dick?
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 17:07:12
My wife's main school has 97% Muslim children, both black and Asian. BLM doesn't seem to be very high on the agenda, with either parents or kids. It only exists in the minds of unemployed, white, left wing youths; Gay, middle aged serial protesters and the BBC. Ignore it, you're giving it oxygen.

......I thought you lived in England. ::)
It's a Church of England school, too. Yes...really  ;D


I attended a C of E primary school in the sixties. Every kid was white......every kid had a mum and a Dad.......Every Tuesday we enjoyed 'a portion of spotted dick'........every Dad drove an Austin or a Morris.

Christ it was tough. ::)
Was it the RE teacher who gave you the spotted dick?

.....and all the teachers had really weird names by the standard of 2020. Names like Ms Smith......Mrs Harper and Mr Evans.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 17:07:58
Sergeant Hatthaway in Lewis ;)
Nope  :-\
The posh upstart to counter Lewis's northern, er, simplicity...

Although their boss is that posh indian actress of a certain age ::)
Lewis, Morse, Village with a different murder every farts end.......never watched any of them.
Also, never watched a game of American handball or rounders, though it seems to be pushing to the fore on sky sports.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 17:10:12
My wife's main school has 97% Muslim children, both black and Asian. BLM doesn't seem to be very high on the agenda, with either parents or kids. It only exists in the minds of unemployed, white, left wing youths; Gay, middle aged serial protesters and the BBC. Ignore it, you're giving it oxygen.

......I thought you lived in England. ::)
It's a Church of England school, too. Yes...really  ;D


I attended a C of E primary school in the sixties. Every kid was white......every kid had a mum and a Dad.......Every Tuesday we enjoyed 'a portion of spotted dick'........every Dad drove an Austin or a Morris.

Christ it was tough. ::)
Was it the RE teacher who gave you the spotted dick?

.....and all the teachers had really weird names by the standard of 2020. Names like Ms Smith......Mrs Harper and Mr Evans.
I went to The Liverpool Institute High School for Boys. The 'masters' wore gowns and mortar boards and were mostly homosexual, I think. I didn't know what a girl was until I was 27  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 17:11:28
Nowadays it's called LIPA and is owned by Paul McCartney, an old boy.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 17:12:13
My lad is a 21 year old student, so should be educating me in things such as this. He only speaks two phrases: "Where's me clean shirt?" and "What's for tea?".

Is he still balls deep inside some posh uni totty at every opportunity?
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 17:13:18
My lad is a 21 year old student, so should be educating me in things such as this. He only speaks two phrases: "Where's me clean shirt?" and "What's for tea?".

Is he still balls deep inside some posh uni totty at every opportunity?
If a Romanian lass can be considered posh totty, yes.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 17:16:23
Good thread this....for general car chat  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 17:17:37
My wife's main school has 97% Muslim children, both black and Asian. BLM doesn't seem to be very high on the agenda, with either parents or kids. It only exists in the minds of unemployed, white, left wing youths; Gay, middle aged serial protesters and the BBC. Ignore it, you're giving it oxygen.

......I thought you lived in England. ::)
It's a Church of England school, too. Yes...really  ;D


I attended a C of E primary school in the sixties. Every kid was white......every kid had a mum and a Dad.......Every Tuesday we enjoyed 'a portion of spotted dick'........every Dad drove an Austin or a Morris.

Christ it was tough. ::)
Was it the RE teacher who gave you the spotted dick?

.....and all the teachers had really weird names by the standard of 2020. Names like Ms Smith......Mrs Harper and Mr Evans.
I went to The Liverpool Institute High School for Boys. The 'masters' wore gowns and mortar boards and were mostly homosexual, I think. I didn't know what a girl was until I was 27  ;D

Homosexual?.....no no no. I think they were known as 'bachelors' back in the day. Generally they would live with a male companion who was also a bachelor. Gentle innocent times. :)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Nick W on 16 December 2020, 17:19:35
Although their boss is that posh indian actress of a certain age ::)


Rebecca Front is Indian?? ???


Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 17:23:38
My lad is a 21 year old student, so should be educating me in things such as this. He only speaks two phrases: "Where's me clean shirt?" and "What's for tea?".

Is he still balls deep inside some posh uni totty at every opportunity?
If a Romanian lass can be considered posh totty, yes.

Hmmm.....Eastern European. Almost certainly hirsute then. A Huge beard muff and sprouting dark  hair from her armpits. Like going back to the seventies. :y The lad won't know what hit him.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 17:33:51
Although their boss is that posh indian actress of a certain age ::)


Rebecca Front is Indian?? ???
I think she might have been in Dances With Wolves.

Oh dear...is that un PC?
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Rangie on 16 December 2020, 17:42:33
My wife's main school has 97% Muslim children, both black and Asian. BLM doesn't seem to be very high on the agenda, with either parents or kids. It only exists in the minds of unemployed, white, left wing youths; Gay, middle aged serial protesters and the BBC. Ignore it, you're giving it oxygen.

......I thought you lived in England. ::)
It's a Church of England school, too. Yes...really  ;D


I attended a C of E primary school in the sixties. Every kid was white......every kid had a mum and a Dad.......Every Tuesday we enjoyed 'a portion of spotted dick'........every Dad drove an Austin or a Morris.

Christ it was tough. ::)
Was it the RE teacher who gave you the spotted dick?

.....and all the teachers had really weird names by the standard of 2020. Names like Ms Smith......Mrs Harper and Mr Evans.
I went to The Liverpool Institute High School for Boys. The 'masters' wore gowns and mortar boards and were mostly homosexual, I think. I didn't know what a girl was until I was 27  ;D

Homosexual?.....no no no. I think they were known as 'bachelors' back in the day. Generally they would live with a male companion who was also a bachelor. Gentle innocent times. :)
.   


Down south they were referred to as queers or bummers, how things have changed.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 17:48:22
Yes, probably for the better, but I refuse to join in. I take solace in the fact that my grandad thought the Beatles were evil, cavorting, sex driven louts, who couldn't carry a tune to save their lives (He was probably right), so I put it down to an age thing.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2020, 18:03:41
Actually...BLM is a lot like the governments Christmas coronavirus advice. It's on the telly constantly, but no one takes any notice of it  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 December 2020, 18:05:40
Actually...BLM is a lot like the governments Christmas coronavirus advice. It's on the telly constantly, but no one takes any notice of it  ;D

You need to 'woke up'
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 December 2020, 18:07:02
Although their boss is that posh indian actress of a certain age ::)


Rebecca Front is Indian?? ???
I stand well and truly corrected :-[
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Rangie on 16 December 2020, 18:25:48
Actually...BLM is a lot like the governments Christmas coronavirus advice. It's on the telly constantly, but no one takes any notice of it  ;D
.   


Nice quiet Christmas for us Steve only the two of us & the dog and nothing from Sainsbury's gracing our table..🎄🎄🎄
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: ronnyd on 16 December 2020, 20:45:00
Sainsbury is my local supermarket, unfortunately. They haven't fared very well over the pandemic. When all the others had plenty of stock, (after the initial panic) Sainsbury still had loads of stock issues. My grandson works nights there and he says the quality of their produce is rubbish.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Raeturbo on 16 December 2020, 22:10:13
Sainsbury is my local supermarket, unfortunately. They haven't fared very well over the pandemic. When all the others had plenty of stock, (after the initial panic) Sainsbury still had loads of stock issues. My grandson works nights there and he says the quality of their produce is rubbish.
              Mm, maybe their staff are too busy fu⚔️Ing about with the BLM terrorist organisation 👍🔥
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 16 December 2020, 22:23:04
We find the quality of their produce way above all the other supermarkets, apart from Waitrose. Although our Turkey last year was rotten and stunk, which took the edge off Christmas somewhat.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 December 2020, 19:43:25
I wonder if this outward display of corporate positive diversity is a manifestation of Sainsbury's becoming a part of Walmart...

My aunt has almost always shopped at Sainsbugs, and usually at the 'diverse' Crawley* store. She tends to wear a St Christopher necklace, nothing new or strange there, and never an issue when shopping. However a month or so ago, the (presumed to be Muslim, by way of her hijab) point blank refused to serve my aunt until she hid her necklace. Unusually for her, she didn't speak her mind, but stormed out of the shop in disgust. Personally I would have had the store manager out and possibly the police.

The sad reality is that anyone who doesn't 'bend the knee' is automatically deemed to be racist, and if you're white and 'bend the knee' you are deemed to have been racist by acknowledging your guilt... Why apologise if you have nothing to apologise for.

*Crawley, being a New Town has always been a pot of genuine diversity, and generally without significant cultural clashes... The shittier parts are generally poor/white, the posher parts generally white and well to do non whites, and the bulk of the town is pretty much a melting pot.

On the basis of what you say the assistant would have been instantly suspended from duty then sacked for gross misconduct, then the police should have taken over and Sainsbury’s would “support them in prosecuting” the woman.

But of course it needed your aunt, or another witness, to immediately lodge a complaint or at least have done that shortly afterwards with the Store Manager and police. ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 17 December 2020, 19:53:55
I dont believe there is any chance of either Sainsburys or the Police following that course of action in todays Woke / PC/ diversity obsessed / BLM obsessed world.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 December 2020, 19:59:56
I dont believe there is any chance of either Sainsburys or the Police following that course of action in todays Woke / PC/ diversity obsessed / BLM obsessed world.

The rules of retailing about customers being insulted or refused to be served on political / racial / sexuality / how they dress, etc,  grounds in the major store chains have not changed. If anything they have tightened on these issues due to changed attitudes on “Diversity” and the much increased need to keep their diverse customers happy and loyal. Any member of staff acting contrary to that never had, and still does not, have any place in retailing.

In addition I know that Kent Police, let alone all other forces, would keenly follow up on any alleged Hate Crime ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 December 2020, 20:02:49
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: dave the builder on 17 December 2020, 20:07:12

......
 why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(
rushed off their feet  :-\ and that was before Chinese Virus rules to enforce  :D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 December 2020, 20:12:14
How's about we all go back to what we were doing... That way they can get back to doing shit that matters and the wokists curnts will be too busy working to worry about who is or isn't kneeling.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 December 2020, 20:19:38
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 December 2020, 20:25:02
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)
Why would, or should the government allow the police to make political statements?
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Nick W on 17 December 2020, 20:27:43
If you find taking a knee offensive, you have problems of your own making.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 December 2020, 20:29:55
If you find taking a knee offensive, you have problems of your own making.
An ill considered turn of phrase. Both the police and civil service as a whole should be above gestures of appeasement.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 December 2020, 20:37:56
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)
Wtf does what I do or don't think of Donald have to do with Sainsbury's critical race policy ???
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 December 2020, 20:41:33
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)
Why would, or should the government allow the police to make political statements?

Exactly!!  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 December 2020, 20:49:49
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)
Why would, or should the government allow the police to make political statements?

Exactly!!  ::) ::)
Then what is this?
https://www.alamy.com/london-uk-3rd-june-2020-british-police-officers-take-the-knee-outside-downing-street-during-the-black-lives-matter-demonstration-credit-ian-davidsonalamy-live-news-image360157182.html
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 December 2020, 20:52:31
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)
Wtf does what I do or don't think of Donald have to do with Sainsbury's critical race policy ???

Eh??!  Where does Sainsbury’s come into it when you then I ‘discussed’ police taking the knee and you dreaming up that they do, like you dreaming of Donald being the rightful President for another term. Apart from this thread being about Sainsbury’s policies, in our posts they had nothing to do with it.   ;D ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 December 2020, 21:01:10
 :y
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)
Why would, or should the government allow the police to make political statements?

Exactly!!  ::) ::)
Then what is this?
https://www.alamy.com/london-uk-3rd-june-2020-british-police-officers-take-the-knee-outside-downing-street-during-the-black-lives-matter-demonstration-credit-ian-davidsonalamy-live-news-image360157182.html

It is two police officers doing what they should never do, but making a personal statement, at the height of BLM feelings in London, not [all] police taking the knee at every opportunity as you suggested.

You are just doing what I suspected from the start; trying to make a blown up story, like the Daily Fail does, out of nothing, just to make a feeble point that the police are now fully in support of BLM, which is not the case, at least no more than they support the statement All Lives Matter more than ever before.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Raeturbo on 17 December 2020, 21:03:16
I’ll never take the knee unless it’s on one of the wokies, the whole thing is seemingly engineered to rile and annoy passive folk in my opinion.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 December 2020, 21:17:44
I’ll never take the knee unless it’s on one of the wokies, the whole thing is seemingly engineered to rile and annoy passive folk in my opinion.
Indeed.

LZ I'm not in the mood to argue semsntics, this thread was about Sainsbury's and their apparent wokeness. I relayed an incident which you optimistically suggest that the Police and management would have dealt with. When I suggested otherwise you went off on an attacking tangent...
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 17 December 2020, 21:25:08
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/black-lives-matter-kent-police-knee-video-protest-george-floyd-a9558986.html

https://www.rt.com/uk/491816-police-kneel-protesters-memo/


 ::)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 December 2020, 22:05:08
I’ll never take the knee unless it’s on one of the wokies, the whole thing is seemingly engineered to rile and annoy passive folk in my opinion.

I bet you got down on your knee to propose to Mrs Rae you old softy!  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 17 December 2020, 22:27:14
I’ll never take the knee unless it’s on one of the wokies, the whole thing is seemingly engineered to rile and annoy passive folk in my opinion.

I bet you got down on your knee to propose to Mrs Rae you old softy!  ;D
He actually knelt on her neck until she didn't have enough breath to say no.  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 17 December 2020, 22:28:09
"Will you marry me?"
"I can't breathe"
"That'll be a yes then"  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Raeturbo on 17 December 2020, 22:49:20
She loves me :y I asked nicely  :y
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Broomies Mate on 17 December 2020, 23:54:40
Erm, why is this in GCC?  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: YZ250 on 18 December 2020, 08:39:28
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/black-lives-matter-kent-police-knee-video-protest-george-floyd-a9558986.html

https://www.rt.com/uk/491816-police-kneel-protesters-memo/


 ::)

Yes, with LZ being a Police Advisor, you'd have thought the very least the Kent Police Chief Constable could have done was to notify LZ that he would be taking the knee, and advising all of his officers to do the same where appropriate, to avoid the awkwardness of her defending them.  ::)

On a side note, racism will stay with us while those that want it kept alive keep poking it with a big stick.  >:(   As for Sainsbury's, they didn't need to get involved, they've just added fuel to the fire. All of this does more harm than good.  >:(
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 18 December 2020, 10:51:47
Erm, why is this in GCC?  ;D
Opti...he's quite senile, poor old lad.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 18 December 2020, 10:57:58
Erm, why is this in GCC?  ;D
Opti...he's quite senile, poor old lad.

Yes it's quite tragic really.  :-\
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 December 2020, 11:57:23
I’ll never take the knee unless it’s on one of the wokies, the whole thing is seemingly engineered to rile and annoy passive folk in my opinion.
Indeed.

LZ I'm not in the mood to argue semsntics, this thread was about Sainsbury's and their apparent wokeness. I relayed an incident which you optimistically suggest that the Police and management would have dealt with. When I suggested otherwise you went off on an attacking tangent...

Yep, and YOU went on to bring the police into the subject.................!!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) :)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 December 2020, 11:59:41
Actually you did ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 December 2020, 12:05:18
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/black-lives-matter-kent-police-knee-video-protest-george-floyd-a9558986.html

https://www.rt.com/uk/491816-police-kneel-protesters-memo/


 ::)

Yes, that is all pertaining to feelings running high in June and token gestures of BLM support, not what is happening NOW with police officers as DG was suggesting.  When do you NOW see police officers on mass, or even singularly, taking the knee at every opportunity?

As he now admits this thread was about Sainsbury's, but DG had to take a dig at the police and denigrate them all without any current evidence. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 December 2020, 12:13:46
Actually you did ;D

Pardon!!! :o :o :o :o :o

Just read your post #63 when you wrote:

"The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:("

That was in reply to my contribution to Sainsbury's staff not treating your aunt as they should and me suggesting the store management and police should have been involved, then YOU having a completely off thread dig at the police in post #63!.

God, what with your Trump postings and now this, you really are making me worry bout you DG ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: dave the builder on 18 December 2020, 12:18:02
The situation has made things very awkward for the average UK white racist male  ::)
now you have to sit down on the floor on your bum when checking tyre pressures, doing up shoe laces ,working on electrical sockets etc etc ,so not to appear to be taking the knee in memory of some dead druggie criminal scumbag  :P

that's me off Lizzie's Christmas card list  :D ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 18 December 2020, 12:30:47
The situation has made things very awkward for the average UK white racist male  ::)
now you have to sit down on the floor on your bum when checking tyre pressures, doing up shoe laces ,working on electrical sockets etc etc ,so not to appear to be taking the knee in memory of some dead druggie criminal scumbag  :P

that's me off Lizzie's Christmas card list  :D ;D
Very good, Dave  ;D :y
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 December 2020, 13:27:21
I find it odd that Sainsbury are to provide a safe space within their stores for black employees.

A safe space from what exactly?

Presumably, as the safe space will be within the store itself, the safe space must be to protect  black Sainsbury workers from white Sainsbury workers.

Sounds racist to me.

Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 December 2020, 13:37:19
Or all the offended customers...

Starting to turn the work place into a special needs class :-X
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 December 2020, 13:41:01
Or all the offended customers...

Starting to turn the work place into a special needs class :-X

I did think of this but presumably both black and white members of staff will be insulted by customers at one time or another, so why not discuss it together in the staff room.

A 'black only' space will only increase racial tension.


Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 December 2020, 13:49:37
Or all the offended customers...

Starting to turn the work place into a special needs class :-X

I did think of this but presumably both black and white members of staff will be insulted by customers at one time or another, so why not discuss it together in the staff room.

A 'black only' space will only increase racial tension.
And is arguably completely illegal.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: dave the builder on 18 December 2020, 14:30:32
"NO BLACKS, NO IRISH OR NO DOGS"
progress  :-\
I doubt BLM will let the dogs or Irish in
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Entwood on 18 December 2020, 14:48:40
Actually you did ;D

Pardon!!! :o :o :o :o :o

Just read your post #63 when you wrote:

"The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:("

That was in reply to my contribution to Sainsbury's staff not treating your aunt as they should and me suggesting the store management and police should have been involved, then YOU having a completely off thread dig at the police in post #63!.

God, what with your Trump postings and now this, you really are making me worry bout you DG ;D ;D ;D

Lizzie .. don't worry about him ... he's quite secure in the parallel universe he occupies ......   :)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 December 2020, 14:53:17
The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:(

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval ::) ::)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/black-lives-matter-kent-police-knee-video-protest-george-floyd-a9558986.html

https://www.rt.com/uk/491816-police-kneel-protesters-memo/


 ::)

Yes, with LZ being a Police Advisor, you'd have thought the very least the Kent Police Chief Constable could have done was to notify LZ that he would be taking the knee, and advising all of his officers to do the same where appropriate, to avoid the awkwardness of her defending them.  ::)

On a side note, racism will stay with us while those that want it kept alive keep poking it with a big stick.  >:(   As for Sainsbury's, they didn't need to get involved, they've just added fuel to the fire. All of this does more harm than good.  >:(

How many more times, that was in JUNE, two weeks after Floyd had been killed by an American police officer.  No officer now is officially making this token gesture which is the point I was making after DG stated that officers were doing it at "every opportunity", which is clearly wrong when walking the streets NOW.

Anyway, why is "taking the knee" such an issue to you all that have commented on it?  It was a gesture of sympathy for a man killed on the ground by an officer kneeing on his neck until he couldn't breath. 

Along with other anti-diversity comments on this and similar threads I find this a disturbing trend by some OOF members on a public forum, with a lack of acceptance of our diverse society.  It is only a short hop before this all becomes Hate Crime, apart from bring totally unnecessary and, for at least some of us very offensive. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 December 2020, 14:58:04
The situation has made things very awkward for the average UK white racist male  ::)
now you have to sit down on the floor on your bum when checking tyre pressures, doing up shoe laces ,working on electrical sockets etc etc ,so not to appear to be taking the knee in memory of some dead druggie criminal scumbag  :P

that's me off Lizzie's Christmas card list :D ;D

Not at all Dave  ;D ;D ;D ;D :y

You are right, it is difficult for some who cannot just accept a multi-everything society as any comment THEY make will offend as the underlying narrow minded beliefs they have will become transparent to all.

That is their challenge, and I pity them. ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 December 2020, 14:58:46
Actually you did ;D

Pardon!!! :o :o :o :o :o

Just read your post #63 when you wrote:

"The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  >:("

That was in reply to my contribution to Sainsbury's staff not treating your aunt as they should and me suggesting the store management and police should have been involved, then YOU having a completely off thread dig at the police in post #63!.

God, what with your Trump postings and now this, you really are making me worry bout you DG ;D ;D ;D

Lizzie .. don't worry about him ... he's quite secure in the parallel universe he occupies ......   :)

Good one Entwood! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 December 2020, 15:05:24
Or all the offended customers...

Starting to turn the work place into a special needs class :-X

I did think of this but presumably both black and white members of staff will be insulted by customers at one time or another, so why not discuss it together in the staff room.

A 'black only' space will only increase racial tension.

And, with management involved, that is what happens with training and support given.  At the moment it is far more likely for ALL retail staff to be either verbally or even physically assaulted, so that is THE main issue currently.

As for separate spaces, that is not new.  I used to allow and encourage separate areas in the back rooms of stores for Muslims to pray in at their set times.  That is good for moral and shows the retail company has respect for it's employees and cares for their welfare. 8) 8) ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 December 2020, 15:12:24
Not separate spaces Lizzie.......safe spaces. This implies danger from other members of staff. :) :-* :-*
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: YZ250 on 18 December 2020, 15:45:45
...... <..> Shortened as the quotes are getting too long.  ;D

Along with other anti-diversity comments on this and similar threads I find this a disturbing trend by some OOF members on a public forum, with a lack of acceptance of our diverse society.  It is only a short hop before this all becomes Hate Crime, apart from bring totally unnecessary and, for at least some of us very offensive. >:( >:(

You appear to have made an assumption regarding posters colour, which only goes to strengthen Opt's original post.  ::)  I personally have several black friends, friends that I'd regard as really genuinely true friends. This subject never crops up when we are together, as it is neither wanted or needed. As I've said previously, it's those that want it kept alive that keep stirring it up. Sainsburys have only done this because they felt that they should, not because it was necessarily right.
Anyway, if we all boycott Sainsburys we can bring them to their knees.  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 December 2020, 15:56:45
Lizzie, if they hadn't knelt on George Floyd, he would probably have died later that day. If you bothered to look at the actual evidence, he couldn't breathe sitting upright in the car.

It's all readily available including the bodycam footage from the whole arrest. Being knelt on sped the process up. But don't let the facts ruin a good kneeling.

www.hennepin.us › documentsPDF
Floyd's autopsy report - Hennepin County  :-X
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 December 2020, 16:08:49
Or all the offended customers...

Starting to turn the work place into a special needs class :-X

I did think of this but presumably both black and white members of staff will be insulted by customers at one time or another, so why not discuss it together in the staff room.

A 'black only' space will only increase racial tension.

And, with management involved, that is what happens with training and support given.  At the moment it is far more likely for ALL retail staff to be either verbally or even physically assaulted, so that is THE main issue currently.

As for separate spaces, that is not new.  I used to allow and encourage separate areas in the back rooms of stores for Muslims to pray in at their set times.  That is good for moral and shows the retail company has respect for it's employees and cares for their welfare. 8) 8) ;)
And I bet you also let smokers take cigarette breaks outside of their actual breaks as well. At what point does it stop?

People who turn up, get on with their work and take minimum breaks are always second in line to those who expect special allowances. Race orr religion shouldn't come into it... Treat everyone the same. Is it really that difficult?
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 December 2020, 16:21:50
...... <..> Shortened as the quotes are getting too long.  ;D

Along with other anti-diversity comments on this and similar threads I find this a disturbing trend by some OOF members on a public forum, with a lack of acceptance of our diverse society.  It is only a short hop before this all becomes Hate Crime, apart from bring totally unnecessary and, for at least some of us very offensive. >:( >:(

You appear to have made an assumption regarding posters colour, which only goes to strengthen Opt's original post.  ::)  I personally have several black friends, friends that I'd regard as really genuinely true friends. This subject never crops up when we are together, as it is neither wanted or needed. As I've said previously, it's those that want it kept alive that keep stirring it up. Sainsburys have only done this because they felt that they should, not because it was necessarily right.
Anyway, if we all boycott Sainsburys we can bring them to their knees.  ::) ;)

No I didn't and will not, as this forum, I am sure, has a very diverse membership and, more importantly, readership.  That is why I am sensitive to some of the comments made that SEEM to make a joke, or worse, of peoples colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, and anything else that is a mix of diversity. Equality is what most of us want, and this is what I have worked on, amoungst many things, during my life. 

What Sainsbury's is doing is not wrong, and for those who do not know what they intend to do read this:
https://www.about.sainsburys.co.uk/making-a-difference/our-values/our-stories/2020/taking-action

They are correctly aiming for a work force that reflects their customer base.  I my early days in retailing it was all white MALE senior managers, and directors with a complete lack of staff from a diverse background, across what we now know to be included under "Diversity".

First it was us women who broke through the managerial ceiling and became senior managers and directors, with people such as me recognising how women could make great retail managers, and they did.  Now it is time, as Sainsbury's point out, for the ethnic groups to be given the opportunity to show their worth and advance the business onwards. What is wrong with that?

Any talk of "boycotting" is, frankly at it's best, wrong and completely out of touch with reality. At it's worst it is akin to the Nazi Germany boycott of Jewish shops and businesses which was pure evil.

Now I am sure no one on here wants that. I have also known black (Jamaican) friends who have discriminated against other (African) blacks and Asians, which is also very wrong. So let's join together to stop this.

This World has got bigger issues and challenges to deal with than accepting diversity in all it's beautiful forms.

So Live and Let Live :-* :-* ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 December 2020, 16:36:39
I can't help but think that many companies such as Sainsbury are acting as enablers of the 'victim mentality' that some black people indulge in.

Sainsbury should be sending out the message that the playing field has been level for many years and that there is equality of opportunity for black and white alike.

Instead, they are essentially patting the black man on the head in a patronising infantilising manner  by saying ...."there there you poor little things, we know you went through slavery, and we know  you don't have white privilege, and we know all white people are racist, so we'll go over and above for you to show you how guilty we feel about the past actions of the evil white man.

Not helpful. :-\
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 December 2020, 16:53:45
Lizzie, if they hadn't knelt on George Floyd, he would probably have died later that day. If you bothered to look at the actual evidence, he couldn't breathe sitting upright in the car.

It's all readily available including the bodycam footage from the whole arrest. Being knelt on sped the process up. But don't let the facts ruin a good kneeling.

www.hennepin.us › documentsPDF
Floyd's autopsy report - Hennepin County  :-X

Here we go again! ::) ::) ::)

Evidence?  Your link doesn't work, so lets look at the media reports that have looked at the evidence of many witnesses and the many actual videos filmed of the incident
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52861726

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-investigation.html

Medical Reports :  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-autopsies-homicide-axphyxiation-details/

But the truth will come out when the trials of the four former police officers involved go ahead -
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/05/us/george-floyd-officers-trial/index.html

Then you and I will see why charges were brought against these officers and if a conviction is secured which will finally indicate their true guilt or not.

Rightly a criminal court will decide. :D ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Entwood on 18 December 2020, 16:56:38
Damned if they do, damned if they don't .....

If they do ... then they are pandering to the BLM movement and should uphold "british standards" (whatever they are) ...

If they don't .. then they are racist in not providing for the black community ....

Whichever choice they make an "Outrage Bus" will pull up and be filled with those who simply like to bump their gums ..... personally .. I shop at Sainsbury's for their goods, not their political views.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: YZ250 on 18 December 2020, 17:14:46

Anyway, if we all boycott Sainsburys we can bring them to their knees.  ::) ;)
................

Any talk of "boycotting" is, frankly at it's best, wrong and completely out of touch with reality.......

Now I am sure no one on here wants that...........


That was intended as a lighthearted joke, given the nature of the subject.  ;)  :y
I couldn't boycott Sainsburys anyway, as we don't have a local Sainsburys. Well, unless you count the little one that sells magazines, bread, milk and precious little else. Nearest one to me is over ten miles away, so not a shop we use.  :)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 December 2020, 19:29:47
Lizzie, if they hadn't knelt on George Floyd, he would probably have died later that day. If you bothered to look at the actual evidence, he couldn't breathe sitting upright in the car.

It's all readily available including the bodycam footage from the whole arrest. Being knelt on sped the process up. But don't let the facts ruin a good kneeling.

www.hennepin.us › documentsPDF
Floyd's autopsy report - Hennepin County  :-X

Here we go again! ::) ::) ::)

Evidence?  Your link doesn't work, so lets look at the media reports blah, blah, blah...

Then you and I will see why charges were brought against these officers and if a conviction is secured which will finally indicate their true guilt or not.

Rightly a criminal court will decide. :D ;)
Media opinion you mean...

Obviously the courts will decide their fates, but if you can be bothered, you can read the entire, unedited, un biased actual autopsy as published by the Hennepin County Coroner is readily available as a PDF.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 December 2020, 20:23:10
Lizzie, if they hadn't knelt on George Floyd, he would probably have died later that day. If you bothered to look at the actual evidence, he couldn't breathe sitting upright in the car.

It's all readily available including the bodycam footage from the whole arrest. Being knelt on sped the process up. But don't let the facts ruin a good kneeling.

www.hennepin.us › documentsPDF
Floyd's autopsy report - Hennepin County  :-X

Here we go again! ::) ::) ::)

Evidence?  Your link doesn't work, so lets look at the media reports blah, blah, blah...

Then you and I will see why charges were brought against these officers and if a conviction is secured which will finally indicate their true guilt or not.

Rightly a criminal court will decide. :D ;)
Media opinion you mean...

Obviously the courts will decide their fates, but if you can be bothered, you can read the entire, unedited, un biased actual autopsy as published by the Hennepin County Coroner is readily available as a PDF.

No, I will just leave it now to the US judicial system ;)

Any further “debate” on his death is pointless. Let the experts decide.

What is more important is the justice system in both the US and here in UK must work for all the people in the communities they serve, without any prejudice.  ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 31 December 2020, 10:46:50
Sir Lewis Hamilton, this should please Lord Opti.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 31 December 2020, 11:31:08
Very well deserved too. Most successful driver ever, who started from very humble beginnings. An inspiration for our youth, hopefully.
Leaving aside the BLM stuff, hes living proof that if you have the drive, commitment and focus, you can can achieve your full potential in life.  :y
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: dave the builder on 31 December 2020, 11:38:51
Will he "take the knee" when HM the Queen taps him on the shoulder with a sword  ::)
or is the queen reminding him she's white and he should bow before her  :-X


credit to him for his driving skills though

Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 December 2020, 13:09:19
Very well deserved too. Most successful driver ever, who started from very humble beginnings. An inspiration for our youth, hopefully.
Leaving aside the BLM stuff, hes living proof that if you have the drive, commitment and focus, you can can achieve your full potential in life.  :y

Should anyone, regardless of colour, receive this honour for driving a car around in circles. Celeb honours are in 'in thing' now. Previously, people needed to achieve something important.

Ah well.... ;D



Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 December 2020, 13:11:23
Will he "take the knee" when HM the Queen taps him on the shoulder with a sword  ::)
or is the queen reminding him she's white and he should bow before her  :-X


credit to him for his driving skills though

I really hope he doesn't embarrass the queen by wearing a BLM T-shirt at the ceremony.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 December 2020, 13:22:31
I would like to think that she is traditional enough to ignore him if he does...

Credit where it's due, plenty less deserving have been honoured :y
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 December 2020, 13:44:10
I would like to think that she is traditional enough to ignore him if he does...

Credit where it's due, plenty less deserving have been honoured :y

I've just had a look at the list. The majority seem to be actors, singers, and sports people.

.....and none of these seem to have 'changed the world significantly'. I'd be happy to see people involved with the development of the covid vaccine recognised in the future.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Rangie on 31 December 2020, 14:06:33
Far more worthy " ordinary" people out there than luvvies & as someone else said somebody who drives a car fast in circles, don't give a toss if they have a Sir in front of their name , cuts no ice with me, met too many people who are up themselves in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 31 December 2020, 14:15:31
Far more worthy " ordinary" people out there than luvvies & as someone else said somebody who drives a car fast in circles, don't give a toss if they have a Sir in front of their name , cuts no ice with me, met too many people who are up themselves in my lifetime.
It's your age, Mick. Wait until you're my age, you'll hate almost everyone.  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Rangie on 31 December 2020, 14:21:00
Far more worthy " ordinary" people out there than luvvies & as someone else said somebody who drives a car fast in circles, don't give a toss if they have a Sir in front of their name , cuts no ice with me, met too many people who are up themselves in my lifetime.
It's your age, Mick. Wait until you're my age, you'll hate almost everyone.  ;D
.   

I think we are the same age I'm 66  (67 in March) yes you're right I hate all the bullshit that goes with so called " celebrities" .
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 31 December 2020, 14:25:06
Far more worthy " ordinary" people out there than luvvies & as someone else said somebody who drives a car fast in circles, don't give a toss if they have a Sir in front of their name , cuts no ice with me, met too many people who are up themselves in my lifetime.
It's your age, Mick. Wait until you're my age, you'll hate almost everyone.  ;D
.   

I think we are the same age I'm 66  (67 in March) yes you're right I hate all the bullshit that goes with so called " celebrities" .
I'm 68 in May, young'un.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Raeturbo on 31 December 2020, 14:26:24
Make that three however I’m only 64 ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 December 2020, 14:57:47
35.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 31 December 2020, 15:25:17
35.
That's your IQ, silly.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 December 2020, 16:09:52
35.
That's your IQ, silly.

Pat attention Barnsley boy.

I.Q of 12 at age 35. ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 31 December 2020, 16:28:53
Very well deserved too. Most successful driver ever, who started from very humble beginnings. An inspiration for our youth, hopefully.
Leaving aside the BLM stuff, hes living proof that if you have the drive, commitment and focus, you can can achieve your full potential in life.  :y

Should anyone, regardless of colour, receive this honour for driving a car around in circles. Celeb honours are in 'in thing' now. Previously, people needed to achieve something important.

Ah well.... ;D

Must have started quite a while ago then. Jack Brabham and Jackie Stewart received Knighthoods for doing the same.  ;)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Rangie on 31 December 2020, 17:14:45
Very well deserved too. Most successful driver ever, who started from very humble beginnings. An inspiration for our youth, hopefully.
Leaving aside the BLM stuff, hes living proof that if you have the drive, commitment and focus, you can can achieve your full potential in life.  :y

Should anyone, regardless of colour, receive this honour for driving a car around in circles. Celeb honours are in 'in thing' now. Previously, people needed to achieve something important.

Ah well.... ;D

Must have started quite a while ago then. Jack Brabham and Jackie Stewart received Knighthoods for doing the same.  ;)


And they deserved it that's the difference, not like the bunch of arseholes who get them now.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Nick W on 31 December 2020, 17:30:59
35.
That's your IQ, silly.


Even sadder than that, 35 is the number of people who will have anything to do with him.
Many of them are here.
Make of that what you will
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 31 December 2020, 17:38:27
Very well deserved too. Most successful driver ever, who started from very humble beginnings. An inspiration for our youth, hopefully.
Leaving aside the BLM stuff, hes living proof that if you have the drive, commitment and focus, you can can achieve your full potential in life.  :y

Should anyone, regardless of colour, receive this honour for driving a car around in circles. Celeb honours are in 'in thing' now. Previously, people needed to achieve something important.

Ah well.... ;D

Must have started quite a while ago then. Jack Brabham and Jackie Stewart received Knighthoods for doing the same.  ;)


And they deserved it that's the difference, not like the bunch of arseholes who get them now.

Hamilton has won more races, titles etc. than both of them together, so he should have had two Knighthoods.  :)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 December 2020, 17:47:10
Very well deserved too. Most successful driver ever, who started from very humble beginnings. An inspiration for our youth, hopefully.
Leaving aside the BLM stuff, hes living proof that if you have the drive, commitment and focus, you can can achieve your full potential in life.  :y

Should anyone, regardless of colour, receive this honour for driving a car around in circles. Celeb honours are in 'in thing' now. Previously, people needed to achieve something important.

Ah well.... ;D

Must have started quite a while ago then. Jack Brabham and Jackie Stewart received Knighthoods for doing the same.  ;)


And they deserved it that's the difference, not like the bunch of arseholes who get them now.

Hamilton has won more races, titles etc. than both of them together, so he should have had two Knighthoods.  :)

Steady on old boy......you are straying into the realm of 'Hamilton infatuation' ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 December 2020, 17:48:49
35.
That's your IQ, silly.


Even sadder than that, 35 is the number of people who will have anything to do with him.
Many of them are here.
Make of that what you will


What can I say?

People just like me. ;D

Women even more so. 8)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: STEMO on 31 December 2020, 17:49:50
Very well deserved too. Most successful driver ever, who started from very humble beginnings. An inspiration for our youth, hopefully.
Leaving aside the BLM stuff, hes living proof that if you have the drive, commitment and focus, you can can achieve your full potential in life.  :y

Should anyone, regardless of colour, receive this honour for driving a car around in circles. Celeb honours are in 'in thing' now. Previously, people needed to achieve something important.

Ah well.... ;D

Must have started quite a while ago then. Jack Brabham and Jackie Stewart received Knighthoods for doing the same.  ;)


And they deserved it that's the difference, not like the bunch of arseholes who get them now.

Hamilton has won more races, titles etc. than both of them together, so he should have had two Knighthoods.  :)

Steady on old boy......you are straying into the realm of 'Hamilton infatuation' ;D
Albs wants to have Hamilton's babies  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 December 2020, 19:17:29
Very well deserved too. Most successful driver ever, who started from very humble beginnings. An inspiration for our youth, hopefully.
Leaving aside the BLM stuff, hes living proof that if you have the drive, commitment and focus, you can can achieve your full potential in life.  :y

Should anyone, regardless of colour, receive this honour for driving a car around in circles. Celeb honours are in 'in thing' now. Previously, people needed to achieve something important.

Ah well.... ;D

Must have started quite a while ago then. Jack Brabham and Jackie Stewart received Knighthoods for doing the same.  ;)


And they deserved it that's the difference, not like the bunch of arseholes who get them now.

Hamilton has won more races, titles etc. than both of them together, so he should have had two Knighthoods.  :)

Steady on old boy......you are straying into the realm of 'Hamilton infatuation' ;D
Albs wants to have Hamilton's babies  ;D
Just like Wayne and Waynetta...  (https://youtu.be/LQV2QwaqwAs)  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 December 2020, 19:42:39
The 'brown baby' sketch probably wouldn't be allowed today.

........and I imagine there is no chance of 'Till death us do part' making a comeback. :o

Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: BazaJT on 31 December 2020, 19:43:46
Or Love Thy neighbour for that matter ::)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 December 2020, 19:46:16
Or Love Thy neighbour for that matter ::)

If the inoffensive term 'coloured' is considered racist, then I imagine sambo, nig nog, and wog are a no no in 2021. :)
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: BazaJT on 31 December 2020, 19:50:04
I rather suspect you may be right.
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 December 2020, 20:06:54
Or Love Thy neighbour for that matter ::)

If the inoffensive term 'coloured' is considered racist, then I imagine sambo, nig nog, and wog are a no no in 2021. :)

When I lived in Australia in the 1990's describing a person of Mediterranean decent or origin a 'wog' seemed commonplace and perfectly acceptable, but even then slightly cringeworthy to my delicate English ears!  ::)  :-X  ;D

And one day driving along listening to Sydney's Triple J (Kinda like Radio 1) on the radio, they were talking about the upcoming test series between Australia and Pakistan, the DJ opened the discussion with " So the Paki's are coming to town!  Waddaya think? " :o 

You wouldn't have heard that on the BBC even in the 1990's!  ;D
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: redelitev6 on 31 December 2020, 21:02:16
Spike Milligan wouldn't get through the doors of the BBC today - Pakistani Daleks anyone ?
Title: Re: Sainsburys . . . Is this for real?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 01 January 2021, 13:18:22
https://youtu.be/C0n88tZQc4Q (https://youtu.be/C0n88tZQc4Q)

Put it in the curry.