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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Mr Skrunts on 08 March 2021, 20:06:15
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Well thats mine filled in online. ::)
Feel sorry for the people that cant decide what gender they are yet, questions are a bit confusing for them :-X
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Shit! Was that yesterday we were supposed to do that? ??? ::) :-\
Not that anything has changed since yesterday so...
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Shit! Was that yesterday we were supposed to do that? ??? ::) :-\
Not that anything has changed since yesterday so...
21st of march 2021 or ASAP AFTER THAT ;)
well that's what mine says anyway
so how can you fill it in ON-line before :o
what if something changes :D
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Shit! Was that yesterday we were supposed to do that? ??? ::) :-\
Not that anything has changed since yesterday so...
21st of march 2021 or ASAP AFTER THAT ;)
well that's what mine says anyway
so how can you fill it in ON-line before :o
what if something changes :D
Wot he said. :y
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Shit! Was that yesterday we were supposed to do that? ??? ::) :-\
Not that anything has changed since yesterday so...
21st of march 2021 or ASAP AFTER THAT ;)
well that's what mine says anyway
so how can you fill it in ON-line before :o
It's a scam website, that has used his information to order a lifetime's supply of green triangle Quality Street. And he'll be plagued for ever with special offers for triple-glazing :)
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I hope the real website sends Nice real dark chocolate
quality street is rank ;D
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21st of march 2021 or ASAP AFTER THAT ;)
well that's what mine says anyway
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I deliberately filled out my parents census early and I added a note in the comments box at the end saying that I couldn't give a shit about it being early, it had to be done when we were visiting as they don't have broadband. The form states that it should be completed as per the dates above or face a fine of £1000 but both of my parents are disabled, and I have better things to be doing with my time with them without wasting my time on gender related forms. It says that if you are unable to complete the form, get your partner to do it. Well no shit, they are both disabled so how does that work. It also assumes that everybody has the Internet and a computer, which they don't. You can request a paper copy but it warns that you'll be wasting tax payers money if you do.
I declined the ethnicity, religion, work status and many other questions relating to gender, or are you the same gender that you were born. When I put my dad's date of birth, the next page said "So you are 91, are you actively seeking work, in work or long term sick". Well, this may shock them but no he's not actively seeking work. ::)
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Shit! Was that yesterday we were supposed to do that? ??? ::) :-\
Not that anything has changed since yesterday so...
21st of march 2021 or ASAP AFTER THAT ;)
well that's what mine says anyway
so how can you fill it in ON-line before :o
what if something changes :D
one part ask if you expect any changes before that date. did mine yesterday did seem to answer the same questions a few times ,but worded different.
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As I have yet to attend hospital for either a genderectomy or full respray I shall be completing it in agreement with what is written on my Birth certificate/Passport and, whilst I can see it without a mirror, attached.
Sounds like it should be a short form ;D
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Sounds like I have plenty of time to fill my house with gender neutral asylum seekers then! :y
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I wonder if different areas are taking different approaches?
Ive received 2 full forms (1 in English (H2), 1 in Welsh(H2W)) and it says I can do it on paper or online, no preference remarks either way?
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I wonder if different areas are taking different approaches?
Ive received 2 full forms (1 in English (H2), 1 in Welsh(H2W)) and it says I can do it on paper or online, no preference remarks either way?
The comment regarding requesting a paper copy costing tax payers is at the start of the online questionnaire, which is strange as you'd already be online. ;D :y
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I got a leaflet instructing me to fill out the census online. Its says if I am unable to do this I should request a paper copy from www. ........
You couldnt make it up. ;D
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Considering they say the purpose of the census is to get a clearer picture of the UK population on that given day, supposedly to help plan for future services etc., there are a lot of gender related questions on the form.
Are you male or female, do you identify as a male or female, were you actually born as a male or female and are you still a male or female.
They clearly want to know how many different people live amongst us. ;D
As I skipped all of the race, religion, gender and work related bits I thought I'd check if I'd broken any rules, as the only one that is optional is the religion. I found out that in the past (2011 census) a family had included a resident called Roger. Roger was in full time employment and resided at that address at all times .......... as a guard dog. ::) ;D
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Are we supposed to have a letter about this?
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Are we supposed to have a letter about this?
Yes, ours arrived last week. :y
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I got confused when they asked how many cars I have. 8)
3 Omegas
1 Dodge Viper
1 Black Taxi Cab
1 Porche 911 turbo
3 Ex Formula 1 Cars
1 Tamiya RC Special
I left quite a few off as I couldnt remeber where I left them :-X
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If we were to come out of full lockdown before the 21st then I would have to chane my reply to the Census as I wouldnt know whose house I would be partying at or whose bed I would end up in. :-\
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Are we supposed to have a letter about this?
I haven't received a letter yet, Chris, but when I saw Skruntie's post I went online and requested a code. It arrived by text immediately and I was able to log in and complete it.
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Filled out my own census online now. You can fill it out now if you're sure that nothing will change by the 21st March. The gender and religion questions are voluntary. I found it best to say that I was retired and that I'd never worked as it shortens the amount of questions. ;D ;D
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Shit! Was that yesterday we were supposed to do that? ??? ::) :-\
Not that anything has changed since yesterday so...
Some people will have changed their gender since yesterday.
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Well thats mine filled in online. ::)
Feel sorry for the people that cant decide what gender they are yet, questions are a bit confusing for them :-X
There are two genders only. I believe this also applies to the animal world.
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Are we supposed to have a letter about this?
I haven't received a letter yet, Chris, but when I saw Skruntie's post I went online and requested a code. It arrived by text immediately and I was able to log in and complete it.
Cheers Steve, I’ll do that if I don’t get a letter this week. :y
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Well thats mine filled in online. ::)
Feel sorry for the people that cant decide what gender they are yet, questions are a bit confusing for them :-X
There are two genders only. I believe this also applies to the animal world.
Sorry Opti, but you have no clue about this subject have you.
Apart from humans who can be intersexed and then have brains of many levels of gender identity, read this basic info on the matter:
"The need for a third sex cell and therefore a third body type in order to produce offspring (and inspire a third restroom symbol) has never evolved on Earth. Such an arrangement would be inefficient and biologically costly. But nature does have multiple examples of more than two "mating types" within a species; clam shrimp have a male as well as two varieties of hermaphrodite, which either self-fertilize or mate with males but cannot mate with each other.
Not be outdone, the protozoan Tetrahymena thermophila has seven distinct "sexes" that can hook up and swap genes .
The stark male/female split in many organisms has long puzzled biologists. After all, having three mating types wherein individuals can mate with the two types other than its own boosts the odds of scoring a compatible partner from one in two to two in three, or from 50 percent to 67 percent; and the more varieties, the higher the odds. For stationary creatures, where finding a mate is difficult, multiple mating types have the advantage, said Laurence Hurst, a professor of evolutionary genetics at the University of Bath. For example, mushrooms have more than 30,000 mating types, Hurst told Life's Little Mysteries"
Life IS diverse and goes well beyond just black and white, male and female. It is a fascinating area of knowledge which I have studied and advise, along with other specialist areas, the police on.
As I have said before, so many old geezers on the OOF are so old fashioned in their thinking and, like their forbears throughout history, well out of line with the true natural facts of life on earth.
The days of only the white men, and only men, being always MEN in respect of stunted emotion and having to be "never poofs" being prepared to go to war and kill each other in millions without question, being masters of the universe, are over! ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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You're wearing your keyboard out for nothing Lizzie ::)
99.9% of the OOF won't be swayed from the belief "Man or Woman" however much you, media ,youtube , facebook or anything else tries to brainwash us into thinking any different .
Old dogs, new tricks and all that ;)
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I'm neither ,I am now a Brussel sprout I have rights to be whatever I want tomorrow maybe a Carrot, of course there's only two genders never heard such a lot of utter shite.
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Sorry Opti, but you have no clue about this subject have you.
Apart from humans who can be intersexed and then have brains of many levels of gender identity, read this basic info on the matter:
"The need for a third sex cell and therefore a third body type in order to produce offspring (and inspire a third restroom symbol) has never evolved on Earth. Such an arrangement would be inefficient and biologically costly. But nature does have multiple examples of more than two "mating types" within a species; clam shrimp have a male as well as two varieties of hermaphrodite, which either self-fertilize or mate with males but cannot mate with each other.
Not be outdone, the protozoan Tetrahymena thermophila has seven distinct "sexes" that can hook up and swap genes .
The stark male/female split in many organisms has long puzzled biologists. After all, having three mating types wherein individuals can mate with the two types other than its own boosts the odds of scoring a compatible partner from one in two to two in three, or from 50 percent to 67 percent; and the more varieties, the higher the odds. For stationary creatures, where finding a mate is difficult, multiple mating types have the advantage, said Laurence Hurst, a professor of evolutionary genetics at the University of Bath. For example, mushrooms have more than 30,000 mating types, Hurst told Life's Little Mysteries"
Life IS diverse and goes well beyond just black and white, male and female. It is a fascinating area of knowledge which I have studied and advise, along with other specialist areas, the police on.
As I have said before, so many old geezers on the OOF are so old fashioned in their thinking and, like their forbears throughout history, well out of line with the true natural facts of life on earth.
The days of only the white men, and only men, being always MEN in respect of stunted emotion and having to be "never poofs" being prepared to go to war and kill each other in millions without question, being masters of the universe, are over! ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
You worked with the police? How come you haven't mentioned it before?
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Sorry Opti, but you have no clue about this subject have you.
Apart from humans who can be intersexed and then have brains of many levels of gender identity, read this basic info on the matter:
"The need for a third sex cell and therefore a third body type in order to produce offspring (and inspire a third restroom symbol) has never evolved on Earth. Such an arrangement would be inefficient and biologically costly. But nature does have multiple examples of more than two "mating types" within a species; clam shrimp have a male as well as two varieties of hermaphrodite, which either self-fertilize or mate with males but cannot mate with each other.
Not be outdone, the protozoan Tetrahymena thermophila has seven distinct "sexes" that can hook up and swap genes .
The stark male/female split in many organisms has long puzzled biologists. After all, having three mating types wherein individuals can mate with the two types other than its own boosts the odds of scoring a compatible partner from one in two to two in three, or from 50 percent to 67 percent; and the more varieties, the higher the odds. For stationary creatures, where finding a mate is difficult, multiple mating types have the advantage, said Laurence Hurst, a professor of evolutionary genetics at the University of Bath. For example, mushrooms have more than 30,000 mating types, Hurst told Life's Little Mysteries"
Life IS diverse and goes well beyond just black and white, male and female. It is a fascinating area of knowledge which I have studied and advise, along with other specialist areas, the police on.
As I have said before, so many old geezers on the OOF are so old fashioned in their thinking and, like their forbears throughout history, well out of line with the true natural facts of life on earth.
The days of only the white men, and only men, being always MEN in respect of stunted emotion and having to be "never poofs" being prepared to go to war and kill each other in millions without question, being masters of the universe, are over! ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
You worked with the police? How come you haven't mentioned it before?
I have many times over the years ;)
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You're wearing your keyboard out for nothing Lizzie ::)
99.9% of the OOF won't be swayed from the belief "Man or Woman" however much you, media ,youtube , facebook or anything else tries to brainwash us into thinking any different .
Old dogs, new tricks and all that ;)
Yes, but I, as about the only women prepared now to write anything on the Forum, have to try and get some lateral thinking going Dave ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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she's off again ...... ::) ::) ::) ::)
That doesn't mean she's wrong.
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You're wearing your keyboard out for nothing Lizzie ::)
99.9% of the OOF won't be swayed from the belief "Man or Woman" however much you, media ,youtube , facebook or anything else tries to brainwash us into thinking any different .
Old dogs, new tricks and all that ;)
Yes, but I, as about the only women prepared now to write anything on the Forum, have to try and get some lateral thinking going Dave ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
we won't be doing any of that "thinking " nonsense either Lizzie ;) :-X :D :-*
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Lizzie has taken the full SJW woke route. ;D
As already mentioned of course there are only two genders. Self identification ( of which the number of possibilities is endless) is not a gender.
A post mortem/autopsy would reveal the truth. The corpse will be either male or female regardless of self identification.
People can self-identify as whatever they like but for the purpose of a census I think it should be mandatory to identify as either male of female.
Some of he information within it will be used to 'direct resources' where they are needed most. For example, if the number of 'men' is higher than expected then extra facilities could be made available to help combat prostrate and testicular cancer.
If the number of women is higher than expected then more money may be needed for maternity care. Men identifying as women can never give birth so it is important we know the actual sex of people rather than how they see themselves.
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What happened to the pensioner who was making a bit of money on the side, knocking on the door at inconvenient times and asking the awkward questions , is that a thing of the past now ?
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I'm neither ,I am now a Brussel sprout I have rights to be whatever I want tomorrow maybe a Carrot, of course there's only two genders never heard such a lot of utter shite.
Worms and plants are also ambivalous but it still, rightly takes male and female bits to reproduce. This is unchanged from the dawn of evolution and no amounts of woke bullshit will change that.
Gays can become parents, but it's not the natural order of things, and one lesss orphan in the world is no bad thing, but that's not the same as reproducing... That happened when male and female gubbins got together :-X
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I'm neither ,I am now a Brussel sprout I have rights to be whatever I want tomorrow maybe a Carrot, of course there's only two genders never heard such a lot of utter shite.
Worms and plants are also ambivalous but it still, rightly takes male and female bits to reproduce. This is unchanged from the dawn of evolution and no amounts of woke bullshit will change that.
Gays can become parents, but it's not the natural order of things, and one lesss orphan in the world is no bad thing, but that's not the same as reproducing... That happened when male and female gubbins got together :-X
I think Hermaphrodite was the word you were looking for :y
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:D
If the cap fits... But, yes, tharl do :y
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she's off again ...... ::) ::) ::) ::)
That doesn't mean she's wrong.
Thank you Nick :-* :y :y
I am trying to state the opposite side to what many are thinking and saying on here to challenge their perceptions. Many, many specialists in the fields of both sexuality and gender recognise not everyone is born just male or female. The spectrum for both is very wide. As for autopsies DG, they have been done on those identified as trans. It was found that in, many studies, that their brains DID conform more to the gender they identified with, rather than the gender identified at birth.
There is simply so much that has been scientifically established in studies on the aspects of gender and sex. But there is still far more to be established.
Everyone is entitled to their personal views, as expressed on this and the ABC thread. However there is a fine line on stating personal views and causing real, painful, offence to people, sometimes young in years, amounting to Hate Crime. Simple so called innocent statements by unconvinced individuals can and does result in many suicides as those afflicted with the conditions being debated coming to a conclusion there is no hope for them. I personally have known of numerous cases of this, and as I stated have studied it.
So please be careful in expressing your views everyone. Just keep your minds open and except the possibility that you do not know the facts and could be wrong, as I have already proved over some comments about “nature”. ;)
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PS. I mean no offence to all those friends on here who do not own an Omega by my above comments to DG.
It is just DG who is not an owner thinks he has the right to insult and degrade me, an owner of an Omega, and others with his style so often seen in his posts. Insults aimed at me since I rejoined a few years ago have been fairly constant from DG.
Along with STEMO I am prepared to tell him we’re to get off. I am not going to be bullied by such an individual who thinks he is always right!! ;)
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Oooooo......what have I missed ;D
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Oooooo......what have I missed ;D
Handbags!
:D
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Me too Steve , I usually just ignore him now not worth engaging with Lizzie should do the same.
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I have trimmed the irrelevant replies from this thread, feel free to message me privately if that causes you an issue
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Regarding the Census it's still sitting on our coffee table in the lounge neither of us can be arsed with it .
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Are we supposed to have a letter about this?
I haven't received a letter yet, Chris, but when I saw Skruntie's post I went online and requested a code. It arrived by text immediately and I was able to log in and complete it.
Cheers Steve, I’ll do that if I don’t get a letter this week. :y
Arrived today.
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Me too Steve , I usually just ignore him now not worth engaging with Lizzie should do the same.
Yes Rangie, I should have learnt to do that a long time ago. DG does know his stuff though when it comes to cars, but apart from that he can be bloody annoying - always has been - with him always hounding me after I have given my opinion, and that is all it is, my opinion, but he usually does not like it. Only his opinion counts, and he thinks he is always right!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Rant over.
That is the OOF now! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Perhaps I'm a philistine and my antiquated views on gender only apply to England.
In Scotland it seems they are more enlightened, and will simply not allow an opinion that suggests there are only two genders. ::) ::) :
https://youtu.be/xcmxFw1LAbo (https://youtu.be/xcmxFw1LAbo)
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Nothing wrong with Philistines :D
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Nothing wrong with Philistines :D
Philistine lives matter :y
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Nothing wrong with Philistines :D
Philistine lives matter :y
Soon we'll be a protected species :D
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Philistinism gets a bad press.
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How is he? Gone all quute since he was comitted, sorry, admitted :-\
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When do we get to know the results?
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When do we get to know the results?
100 years time ;)
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next year (Jan 2022) you will be able to view the 1921 Census :y
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Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.
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Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.
Yes, there are many trans men and women who have yet to be officially identified and have obtained their true status under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, so the Census should reveal an up to date picture. The government should already know though the number of people that have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate.
What it will not show is the number of children who already identify as the opposite gender.
It is an extremely interesting very serious field of scientific study and requires far more support than it does to avoid many lives being terminated far too early.
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Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.
Yes, there are many trans men and women who have yet to be officially identified and have obtained their true status under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, so the Census should reveal an up to date picture. The government should already know though the number of people that have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate.
What it will not show is the number of children who already identify as the opposite gender.
It is an extremely interesting very serious field of scientific study and requires far more support than it does to avoid many lives being terminated far too early.
Dangerous.
Kids before puberty are too young to make and understand such a decision. Teenagers are impressionable and change like the wind. Nobody should consider a change of gender before age 18, and adults (often with their own agenda) should not indoctrinate naturally confused teens.
Let them grow up first so they can make an informed adult decision.
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Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.
Yes, there are many trans men and women who have yet to be officially identified and have obtained their true status under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, so the Census should reveal an up to date picture. The government should already know though the number of people that have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate.
What it will not show is the number of children who already identify as the opposite gender.
It is an extremely interesting very serious field of scientific study and requires far more support than it does to avoid many lives being terminated far too early.
Dangerous.
Kids before puberty are too young to make and understand such a decision. Teenagers are impressionable and change like the wind. Nobody should consider a change of gender before age 18, and adults (often with their own agenda) should not indoctrinate naturally confused teens.
Let them grow up first so they can make an informed adult decision.
But, if they don't actually have surgery, they can spend three days a week as male and four days a week as female. :)
The clothing bill would be quite high though.
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Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.
Yes, there are many trans men and women who have yet to be officially identified and have obtained their true status under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, so the Census should reveal an up to date picture. The government should already know though the number of people that have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate.
What it will not show is the number of children who already identify as the opposite gender.
It is an extremely interesting very serious field of scientific study and requires far more support than it does to avoid many lives being terminated far too early.
Dangerous.
Kids before puberty are too young to make and understand such a decision. Teenagers are impressionable and change like the wind. Nobody should consider a change of gender before age 18, and adults (often with their own agenda) should not indoctrinate naturally confused teens.
Let them grow up first so they can make an informed adult decision.
No. Because once puberty takes place changes of the body cannot be reversed. So, if a child UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION is correctly identified as possibly having the transgender condition then puberty blockers should be used. If this ‘window’ is missed it will give the future trans adult tremendous problems to overcome and could well lead to Great Depression and suicidal tendencies.
Most trans children identify themselves very early in life. ;)
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Which begs two questions:
1. Why?
2. Under what influence/direction/guidance?
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Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.
Yes, there are many trans men and women who have yet to be officially identified and have obtained their true status under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, so the Census should reveal an up to date picture. The government should already know though the number of people that have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate.
What it will not show is the number of children who already identify as the opposite gender.
It is an extremely interesting very serious field of scientific study and requires far more support than it does to avoid many lives being terminated far too early.
Dangerous.
Kids before puberty are too young to make and understand such a decision. Teenagers are impressionable and change like the wind. Nobody should consider a change of gender before age 18, and adults (often with their own agenda) should not indoctrinate naturally confused teens.
Let them grow up first so they can make an informed adult decision.
No. Because once puberty takes place changes of the body cannot be reversed. So, if a child UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION is correctly identified as possibly having the transgender condition then puberty blockers should be used. If this ‘window’ is missed it will give the future trans adult tremendous problems to overcome and could well lead to Great Depression and suicidal tendencies.
Most trans children identify themselves very early in life. ;)
Nope.....small children have no interest or understanding of 'gender choice' They are just busy being kids. Unless of course the subject is regularly mentioned and strong opinions put forward by their parents. Kids like to please their parents so....... :-\
No four or five year old decides to change gender. It is their dysfunctional parents who 'suggest' and indoctrinate their kids and 'suggest' they may be in the wrong body.
A small child deciding he/she wants to change gender is like the family mutt taking the decision to become vegetarian.
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Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.
Yes, there are many trans men and women who have yet to be officially identified and have obtained their true status under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, so the Census should reveal an up to date picture. The government should already know though the number of people that have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate.
What it will not show is the number of children who already identify as the opposite gender.
It is an extremely interesting very serious field of scientific study and requires far more support than it does to avoid many lives being terminated far too early.
Dangerous.
Kids before puberty are too young to make and understand such a decision. Teenagers are impressionable and change like the wind. Nobody should consider a change of gender before age 18, and adults (often with their own agenda) should not indoctrinate naturally confused teens.
Let them grow up first so they can make an informed adult decision.
No. Because once puberty takes place changes of the body cannot be reversed. So, if a child UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION is correctly identified as possibly having the transgender condition then puberty blockers should be used. If this ‘window’ is missed it will give the future trans adult tremendous problems to overcome and could well lead to Great Depression and suicidal tendencies.
Most trans children identify themselves very early in life. ;)
Nope.....small children have no interest or understanding of 'gender choice' They are just busy being kids. Unless of course the subject is regularly mentioned and strong opinions put forward by their parents. Kids like to please their parents so....... :-\
No four or five year old decides to change gender. It is their dysfunctional parents who 'suggest' and indoctrinate their kids and 'suggest' they may be in the wrong body.
A small child deciding he/she wants to change gender is like the family mutt taking the decision to become vegetarian.
You need to get out more.
Or be completely cut off from the rest of the world
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https://youtu.be/NIeuuPLIbVs (https://youtu.be/NIeuuPLIbVs)
Pantene should hang their heads in shame.
OK......so two 'lesbian mothers' who probably have a very low opinion of men produce, probably by sperm donation, a BOY child. My guess is they were hoping for a girl.
My guess is this BOY grew up never hearing anything affirmative about men. This BOY loves his 'two mums' and wants their approval. He knows that if be becomes a GIRL his 'two mums' will be very pleased and proud of him.
Selfish parental indoctrination of a small child. :(
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Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.
Yes, there are many trans men and women who have yet to be officially identified and have obtained their true status under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, so the Census should reveal an up to date picture. The government should already know though the number of people that have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate.
What it will not show is the number of children who already identify as the opposite gender.
It is an extremely interesting very serious field of scientific study and requires far more support than it does to avoid many lives being terminated far too early.
Dangerous.
Kids before puberty are too young to make and understand such a decision. Teenagers are impressionable and change like the wind. Nobody should consider a change of gender before age 18, and adults (often with their own agenda) should not indoctrinate naturally confused teens.
Let them grow up first so they can make an informed adult decision.
No. Because once puberty takes place changes of the body cannot be reversed. So, if a child UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION is correctly identified as possibly having the transgender condition then puberty blockers should be used. If this ‘window’ is missed it will give the future trans adult tremendous problems to overcome and could well lead to Great Depression and suicidal tendencies.
Most trans children identify themselves very early in life. ;)
Nope.....small children have no interest or understanding of 'gender choice' They are just busy being kids. Unless of course the subject is regularly mentioned and strong opinions put forward by their parents. Kids like to please their parents so....... :-\
No four or five year old decides to change gender. It is their dysfunctional parents who 'suggest' and indoctrinate their kids and 'suggest' they may be in the wrong body.
A small child deciding he/she wants to change gender is like the family mutt taking the decision to become vegetarian.
You need to get out more.
Or be completely cut off from the rest of the world
Thanks, Nick. :y
As a person who is 'beyond woke' I shall take your feedback as a compliment. :)
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You're going to have to take a leaf out of my book, Opti. I treat it all as preposterous shite, and ignore it. No one I know, in the real world, mentions anything about it, I'm pretty sure they are blissfully unaware. And that's the rub, it's there if you go looking for it, but doesn't crop up in the day to day lives of normal people. Bin it and move on.
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Which begs two questions:
1. Why?
2. Under what influence/direction/guidance?
Just read my posts DG!! ::) ::) ::)
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The son's girlfriend is coming to stay for a while over Easter, she is a vegan. I will place her vegan meal on the dinner table and sit opposite, eating my fish or steak. If that offends her sensibilities, tough. I will accept the fact that she's a vegan and she'll have to accept the fact that I'm not.
That's how it works for me with all people, including the ones mentioned above. You carry on being gender neutral or whatever floats your boat today, I'll carry on being normal. :)
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Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.
Yes, there are many trans men and women who have yet to be officially identified and have obtained their true status under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, so the Census should reveal an up to date picture. The government should already know though the number of people that have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate.
What it will not show is the number of children who already identify as the opposite gender.
It is an extremely interesting very serious field of scientific study and requires far more support than it does to avoid many lives being terminated far too early.
Dangerous.
Kids before puberty are too young to make and understand such a decision. Teenagers are impressionable and change like the wind. Nobody should consider a change of gender before age 18, and adults (often with their own agenda) should not indoctrinate naturally confused teens.
Let them grow up first so they can make an informed adult decision.
No. Because once puberty takes place changes of the body cannot be reversed. So, if a child UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION is correctly identified as possibly having the transgender condition then puberty blockers should be used. If this ‘window’ is missed it will give the future trans adult tremendous problems to overcome and could well lead to Great Depression and suicidal tendencies.
Most trans children identify themselves very early in life. ;)
Nope.....small children have no interest or understanding of 'gender choice' They are just busy being kids. Unless of course the subject is regularly mentioned and strong opinions put forward by their parents. Kids like to please their parents so....... :-\
No four or five year old decides to change gender. It is their dysfunctional parents who 'suggest' and indoctrinate their kids and 'suggest' they may be in the wrong body.
A small child deciding he/she wants to change gender is like the family mutt taking the decision to become vegetarian.
Sorry Opti but you are posting with no knowledge of this subject and obviously do not know the in and outs of gender identity in children at an early age. This is a well established fact in the professional circles of those that study this, including me with much personal experience in this field.
The child does not consciously decide to "change gender", as naturally they identify as the gender they feel comfortable in which becomes ever apparent with the short passing of time.
To compare this very serious condition with " the family mutt taking the decision to become vegetarian" just displays your lack of knowledge or understanding of those that go through the great pain this process involves. Once people thought being gay was a matter of choice, but now thank goodness society has learnt this is not true, and will eventually develop it's understanding of being transgender. ;)
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https://youtu.be/NIeuuPLIbVs (https://youtu.be/NIeuuPLIbVs)
Pantene should hang their heads in shame.
OK......so two 'lesbian mothers' who probably have a very low opinion of men produce, probably by sperm donation, a BOY child. My guess is they were hoping for a girl.
My guess is this BOY grew up never hearing anything affirmative about men. This BOY loves his 'two mums' and wants their approval. He knows that if be becomes a GIRL his 'two mums' will be very pleased and proud of him.
Selfish parental indoctrination of a small child. :(
Again Opti, and to all those who identify with these comments, stop being such a dinosaur and expand your mind to the reality of the world and the great diversity within it. ::) ::)
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The son's girlfriend is coming to stay for a while over Easter, she is a vegan. I will place her vegan meal on the dinner table and sit opposite, eating my fish or steak. If that offends her sensibilities, tough. I will accept the fact that she's a vegan and she'll have to accept the fact that I'm not.
That's how it works for me with all people, including the ones mentioned above. You carry on being gender neutral or whatever floats your boat today, I'll carry on being normal. :)
Not allowed to use the word normal any more, I'm afraid. It is considered offensive to the 1%. :)
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Which begs two questions:
1. Why?
2. Under what influence/direction/guidance?
Just read my posts DG!! ::) ::) ::)
I did, and found no satisfactory answer to my questions. Hence asking them out loud.
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The son's girlfriend is coming to stay for a while over Easter, she is a vegan. I will place her vegan meal on the dinner table and sit opposite, eating my fish or steak. If that offends her sensibilities, tough. I will accept the fact that she's a vegan and she'll have to accept the fact that I'm not.
That's how it works for me with all people, including the ones mentioned above. You carry on being gender neutral or whatever floats your boat today, I'll carry on being normal. :)
......and she'll be happy to cook you a sizzling piece of dead cow if she invites you for dinner. ::) ::) ::) ::)
If she is anything like my 'veggie' sister she won't, and may take the opportunity to lecture you on the evil nature of people who eat meat... ;D ;D ;D
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The son's girlfriend is coming to stay for a while over Easter, she is a vegan. I will place her vegan meal on the dinner table and sit opposite, eating my fish or steak. If that offends her sensibilities, tough. I will accept the fact that she's a vegan and she'll have to accept the fact that I'm not.
That's how it works for me with all people, including the ones mentioned above. You carry on being gender neutral or whatever floats your boat today, I'll carry on being normal. :)
Not allowed to use the word normal any more, I'm afraid. It is considered offensive to the 1%. :)
nor·mal (nôr′məl)
adj.
1. Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.
2. Biology Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies
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The son's girlfriend is coming to stay for a while over Easter, she is a vegan. I will place her vegan meal on the dinner table and sit opposite, eating my fish or steak. If that offends her sensibilities, tough. I will accept the fact that she's a vegan and she'll have to accept the fact that I'm not.
That's how it works for me with all people, including the ones mentioned above. You carry on being gender neutral or whatever floats your boat today, I'll carry on being normal. :)
Not allowed to use the word normal any more, I'm afraid. It is considered offensive to the 1%. :)
nor·mal (nôr′məl)
adj.
1. Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.
2. Biology Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies
Yes.....but this simple unassuming word is enough to 'trigger' a total meltdown for those of ambiguous gender. ;D ;D
The shampoo people know this and have rightly banned all use of the word with regard to hair. :D
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The son's girlfriend is coming to stay for a while over Easter, she is a vegan. I will place her vegan meal on the dinner table and sit opposite, eating my fish or steak. If that offends her sensibilities, tough. I will accept the fact that she's a vegan and she'll have to accept the fact that I'm not.
That's how it works for me with all people, including the ones mentioned above. You carry on being gender neutral or whatever floats your boat today, I'll carry on being normal. :)
Not allowed to use the word normal any more, I'm afraid. It is considered offensive to the 1%. :)
nor·mal (nôr′məl)
adj.
1. Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.
2. Biology Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies
Yes.....but this simple unassuming word is enough to 'trigger' a total meltdown for those of ambiguous gender. ;D ;D
The shampoo people know this and have rightly banned all use of the word with regard to hair. :D
My shampoo still says for normal hair, so I'll try not to lose any sleep over it. :)
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The son's girlfriend is coming to stay for a while over Easter, she is a vegan. I will place her vegan meal on the dinner table and sit opposite, eating my fish or steak. If that offends her sensibilities, tough. I will accept the fact that she's a vegan and she'll have to accept the fact that I'm not.
That's how it works for me with all people, including the ones mentioned above. You carry on being gender neutral or whatever floats your boat today, I'll carry on being normal. :)
Not allowed to use the word normal any more, I'm afraid. It is considered offensive to the 1%. :)
nor·mal (nôr′məl)
adj.
1. Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.
2. Biology Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies
Yes.....but this simple unassuming word is enough to 'trigger' a total meltdown for those of ambiguous gender. ;D ;D
The shampoo people know this and have rightly banned all use of the word with regard to hair. :D
You're making such a fuss about this I wonder if there's something you're otherwise incapable of telling us....
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The son's girlfriend is coming to stay for a while over Easter, she is a vegan. I will place her vegan meal on the dinner table and sit opposite, eating my fish or steak. If that offends her sensibilities, tough. I will accept the fact that she's a vegan and she'll have to accept the fact that I'm not.
That's how it works for me with all people, including the ones mentioned above. You carry on being gender neutral or whatever floats your boat today, I'll carry on being normal. :)
Not allowed to use the word normal any more, I'm afraid. It is considered offensive to the 1%. :)
nor·mal (nôr′məl)
adj.
1. Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.
2. Biology Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies
Yes.....but this simple unassuming word is enough to 'trigger' a total meltdown for those of ambiguous gender. ;D ;D
The shampoo people know this and have rightly banned all use of the word with regard to hair. :D
You're making such a fuss about this I wonder if there's something you're otherwise incapable of telling us....
Okay....I'll admit it. I'm as bent as a nine bob bit.
I've 'manfully' tried to cover it up by only having sex with women for the last 30 years (and more). :D ;D ;D
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Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.
Yes, there are many trans men and women who have yet to be officially identified and have obtained their true status under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, so the Census should reveal an up to date picture. The government should already know though the number of people that have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate.
What it will not show is the number of children who already identify as the opposite gender.
It is an extremely interesting very serious field of scientific study and requires far more support than it does to avoid many lives being terminated far too early.
Dangerous.
Kids before puberty are too young to make and understand such a decision. Teenagers are impressionable and change like the wind. Nobody should consider a change of gender before age 18, and adults (often with their own agenda) should not indoctrinate naturally confused teens.
Let them grow up first so they can make an informed adult decision.
No. Because once puberty takes place changes of the body cannot be reversed. So, if a child UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION is correctly identified as possibly having the transgender condition then puberty blockers should be used. If this ‘window’ is missed it will give the future trans adult tremendous problems to overcome and could well lead to Great Depression and suicidal tendencies.
Most trans children identify themselves very early in life. ;)
Nope.....small children have no interest or understanding of 'gender choice' They are just busy being kids. Unless of course the subject is regularly mentioned and strong opinions put forward by their parents. Kids like to please their parents so....... :-\
No four or five year old decides to change gender. It is their dysfunctional parents who 'suggest' and indoctrinate their kids and 'suggest' they may be in the wrong body.
A small child deciding he/she wants to change gender is like the family mutt taking the decision to become vegetarian.
Sorry Opti but you are posting with no knowledge of this subject and obviously do not know the in and outs of gender identity in children at an early age. This is a well established fact in the professional circles of those that study this, including me with much personal experience in this field.
The child does not consciously decide to "change gender", as naturally they identify as the gender they feel comfortable in which becomes ever apparent with the short passing of time.
To compare this very serious condition with " the family mutt taking the decision to become vegetarian" just displays your lack of knowledge or understanding of those that go through the great pain this process involves. Once people thought being gay was a matter of choice, but now thank goodness society has learnt this is not true, and will eventually develop it's understanding of being transgender. ;)
Yes it is serious, Lizzie. Changing gender as not the same as changing your hairstyle or changing your dress. With children this may well involve the use of puberty blockers, which may have a drastic effect on both physical and emotional welfare when given to those who are too young to consent. Then, there is the invasive surgery if the person is still not happy......and then. :-\
Have you seen the suicide rate for people following gender reassignment?
The best figure I can find is that it is 20 times that of the public in general. :(
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Okay....I'll admit it. I'm as bent as a nine bob bit.
I've 'manfully' tried to cover it up by only having sex with women for the last 30 years (and more). :D ;D ;D
So you didn't lose your virginity until you were in your thirties? ??? ::) :P
As long as you have had fun making up for lost time M'lud! ;D
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Yes Opti the suicide rates in trans people is higher than for the rest of the population vs. The number involved, but that is because of the attitude of the general public as witnessed by some in this thread. Ignorance and plain arrogance that means joe public cannot accept that nature does throw up differences in people means that a trans person is frequently rudely challenged, insulted, laughed at, and even assaulted just because they are “different” . This is all because it is beyond the intelligence of so many to understand that this is a very real, VERY SERIOUS challenge for those involved. It is no joke and young and older trans individuals alike have to deal with opposition even within their own families let alone in the general population. Anyone of them reading this thread, and others on this Forum, could well be hastened along the suicide route and that is why I am taking time to challenge what is being crudely discussed and warn your very words could have consequences.
The whole transitioning process is long and ardeous that no one takes on lightly unless they are very genuine about their Gender Dysphoria. It is painful emotionally then physically and as a process can be very frustrating, upsetting, being very lengthy seemingly without end for those trans individuals. It is not “ a load of shit” as some suggest, but very real and thank goodness has been increasingly recognised as a serious genuine human condition since the 1960’s.
For a report from a serious scientifically source read this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/
The rates of suicide are high as I have stated, but thank God not as high as you quoted from a completely biased, anti trans, source.
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That's right, blame everyone else.
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https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU (https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU)
This 4 year old boy, after careful consideration and endless months of mature introspection and soul-searching, has decided he no longer wants to be a boy and now wants to identify as a girl. ::) ::) ::)
He came to this conclusion 100% unaided, with absolutely no parental influence or manipulation involved ;D ;D ;D
It's strange how some (not all) lesbian parents, women who often have a low opinion of men, give birth to boys who want to become girls.
I wonder how many '2 mums' families are willing to help their 4 year old daughter become a boy who wants to grow up to be a cage fighter? ::)
Adults can decide what they like. Kids do not have the capacity to do so. :-\
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https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU (https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU)
This 4 year old boy, after careful consideration and endless months of mature introspection and soul-searching, has decided he no longer wants to be a boy and now wants to identify as a girl. ::) ::) ::)
He came to this conclusion 100% unaided, with absolutely no parental influence or manipulation involved ;D ;D ;D
It's strange how some (not all) lesbian parents, women who often have a low opinion of men, give birth to boys who want to become girls.
I wonder how many '2 mums' families are willing to help their 4 year old daughter become a boy who wants to grow up to be a cage fighter? ::)
Adults can decide what they like. Kids do not have the capacity to do so. :-\
Many trans people first feel they are in the wrong body and identify as the opposite gender from such an early age. In my experience the many trans people I have met started with those feelings and when older went on to transition, which as I have explained is not a easy process by any means with many challenges. But as I have already stated it does require medical and psychiatric supervision.
The parents have not much to do about it and are often very shocked by their child's "expressions". In the modern age the professional advice is available for them to seek to help them understand the condition and give their child the correct support. In past decades this help was not readily available so many suffered terribly from the mutual ignorance surrounding what we now know is Gender Dysphoria, with them never finding their true identity. This can be so different in the current age once the taboo of the condition can be overcome society.
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https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU (https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU)
This 4 year old boy, after careful consideration and endless months of mature introspection and soul-searching, has decided he no longer wants to be a boy and now wants to identify as a girl. ::) ::) ::)
He came to this conclusion 100% unaided, with absolutely no parental influence or manipulation involved ;D ;D ;D
It's strange how some (not all) lesbian parents, women who often have a low opinion of men, give birth to boys who want to become girls.
I wonder how many '2 mums' families are willing to help their 4 year old daughter become a boy who wants to grow up to be a cage fighter? ::)
Adults can decide what they like. Kids do not have the capacity to do so. :-\
Many trans people first feel they are in the wrong body and identify as the opposite gender from such an early age. In my experience the many trans people I have met started with those feelings and when older went on to transition, which as I have explained is not a easy process by any means with many challenges. But as I have already stated it does require medical and psychiatric supervision.
The parents have not much to do about it and are often very shocked by their child's "expressions". In the modern age the professional advice is available for them to seek to help them understand the condition and give their child the correct support. In past decades this help was not readily available so many suffered terribly from the mutual ignorance surrounding what we now know is Gender Dysphoria, with them never finding their true identity. This can be so different in the current age once the taboo of the condition can be overcome society.
At 4 years of age Lizzie......come on. :-* :-* :-*
This 'coming out gender change party' was organised by the parents. It is for them and not the kid. The kid is simply acting out a script written by his parents. It is quite obvious he would rather be somewhere else.
Incidentally, his sister named Lotus (age about 5) at the start of the video, also looks suspiciously like a biological boy. :( :( :(
The whole setting of the 'ceremony' is odd and dysfunctional. Some sort of cult environment perhaps. :-X :-\
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The world has gone totally mad.
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The world has gone totally mad.
It has.
He won't thank his parents when he is old enough to understand and make his own choices. He'll probably be angry disturbed and conflicted. :-\
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https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU (https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU)
This 4 year old boy, after careful consideration and endless months of mature introspection and soul-searching, has decided he no longer wants to be a boy and now wants to identify as a girl. ::) ::) ::)
He came to this conclusion 100% unaided, with absolutely no parental influence or manipulation involved ;D ;D ;D
It's strange how some (not all) lesbian parents, women who often have a low opinion of men, give birth to boys who want to become girls.
I wonder how many '2 mums' families are willing to help their 4 year old daughter become a boy who wants to grow up to be a cage fighter? ::)
Adults can decide what they like. Kids do not have the capacity to do so. :-\
Many trans people first feel they are in the wrong body and identify as the opposite gender from such an early age. In my experience the many trans people I have met started with those feelings and when older went on to transition, which as I have explained is not a easy process by any means with many challenges. But as I have already stated it does require medical and psychiatric supervision.
The parents have not much to do about it and are often very shocked by their child's "expressions". In the modern age the professional advice is available for them to seek to help them understand the condition and give their child the correct support. In past decades this help was not readily available so many suffered terribly from the mutual ignorance surrounding what we now know is Gender Dysphoria, with them never finding their true identity. This can be so different in the current age once the taboo of the condition can be overcome society.
At 4 years of age Lizzie......come on. :-* :-* :-*
This 'coming out gender change party' was organised by the parents. It is for them and not the kid. The kid is simply acting out a script written by his parents. It is quite obvious he would rather be somewhere else.
Incidentally, his sister named Lotus (age about 5) at the start of the video, also looks suspiciously like a biological boy. :( :( :(
The whole setting of the 'ceremony' is odd and dysfunctional. Some sort of cult environment perhaps. :-X :-\
As I have being trying to explain Opti, Gender Dysphoria can START to show from about that age but will take a lot longer to really show to it's full extent. I repeat, this should only happen only medical and psychological supervision.
There are a large number of NHS and private Gender Dysphoria Clinics across the country available for those that require assistance in regards to this condition, but the GP is the starting point.
Just because you cannot understand it and it does not conform to your cosy old world view does not, by any measure, mean it does all not exist and is VERY real for those with Gender Dysphoria.
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The world has gone totally mad.
It has.
He won't thank his parents when he is old enough to understand and make his own choices. He'll probably be angry disturbed and conflicted. :-\
...................and to further reiterate............................that will not happen if the correct path of GP, medical, psychological, and Gender Idenity Clinic input is taken.
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The world has gone totally mad.
It has.
He won't thank his parents when he is old enough to understand and make his own choices. He'll probably be angry disturbed and conflicted. :-\
...................and to further reiterate............................that will not happen if the correct path of GP, medical, psychological, and Gender Idenity Clinic input is taken.
Yep, brainwash him into thinking it was his choice.
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I think the Chinese are doing similar to the Uighars, making them very happy with their choice of lifestyle. ;D
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
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I think the Chinese are doing similar to the Uighars, making them very happy with their choice of lifestyle. ;D
A bit extreme... A four year old would probably be swayed by jelly and ice cream... Who's a naughty boy/good girl :-X
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
Batflu anyone? ;D
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
Batflu anyone? ;D
Hmmm.....AIDS didn't really work, batflu a bit better........maybe this theory I read today about pollution making men's willies shrink will do it ;D
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I'll let you know when I find it ;D
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Wonder how many people will actually do the census and how many will be chased up for not doing it , in this day and age when everyone's data is collected by every tom, dick and harry , is the census really needed ?
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I think I was about 4 when I asked my mum if I could be Batman. ;D ;D......or perhaps the Riddler. ;D ;D
I don't recall telling her I wanted to be a girl, and If I had she'd have told me to stop being silly and to go and play Cowboys and Indians with the other boys with the Winchester rifle and cap gun pistol I had for Christmas. :D
Shoot them Indians up cowboy.... ;)
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I think the Chinese are doing similar to the Uighars, making them very happy with their choice of lifestyle. ;D
A bit extreme... A four year old would probably be swayed by jelly and ice cream... Who's a naughty boy/good girl :-X
I can imagine the conversation.
"Mum(s).....can I have ice cream and jelly"
"Not unless you tell a load of people you want to become a girl.....like the one I wanted, and like the pretty little girl your brother now is"
" Oh, Ok then"
" Good girl, I'm proud of you"
" Thanks mum(s)"
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
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As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
:-X
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
Oh, I think not. In fact, I think you just totally made that up. :o I'll ask a cleric and see what he says, if he can put his choirboy down for long enough to answer.
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I think I was about 4 when I asked my mum if I could be Batman. ;D ;D......or perhaps the Riddler. ;D ;D
I don't recall telling her I wanted to be a girl, and If I had she'd have told me to stop being silly and to go and play Cowboys and Indians with the other boys with the Winchester rifle and cap gun pistol I had for Christmas. :D
Shoot them Indians up cowboy.... ;)
That is because you were a boy and did not have Gender Dysphoria, so do not compare your life with those who are transgendered as that just highlights your ignorance of it all. >:(
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As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
:-X
Is god non binary then, Andy? Does he/she take it up the bottom? ;D
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I think I was about 4 when I asked my mum if I could be Batman. ;D ;D......or perhaps the Riddler. ;D ;D
I don't recall telling her I wanted to be a girl, and If I had she'd have told me to stop being silly and to go and play Cowboys and Indians with the other boys with the Winchester rifle and cap gun pistol I had for Christmas. :D
Shoot them Indians up cowboy.... ;)
That is because you were a boy and did not have Gender Dysphoria, so do not compare your life with those who are transgendered as that just highlights your ignorance of it all. >:(
I doubt the 4 year old boy in the video has it either. :)
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As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
:-X
That is because the general distribution of God is as a "he", but I think most of us who believe can recognise God is without gender. Why should God need to be a man or a woman as the creation of all universal life is beyond the requirement for that. ;)
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As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
:-X
That is because the general distribution of God is as a "he", but I think most of us who believe can recognise God is without gender. Why should God need to be a man or a woman as the creation of all universal life is beyond the requirement for that. ;)
We are now entering the twilight zone..........
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
Oh, I think not. In fact, I think you just totally made that up. :o I'll ask a cleric and see what he says, if he can put his choirboy down for long enough to answer.
I have believed that most of my life, so just open your old eyes and look at the World and the Universe around us ;)
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I think I was about 4 when I asked my mum if I could be Batman. ;D ;D......or perhaps the Riddler. ;D ;D
I don't recall telling her I wanted to be a girl, and If I had she'd have told me to stop being silly and to go and play Cowboys and Indians with the other boys with the Winchester rifle and cap gun pistol I had for Christmas. :D
Shoot them Indians up cowboy.... ;)
That is because you were a boy and did not have Gender Dysphoria, so do not compare your life with those who are transgendered as that just highlights your ignorance of it all. >:(
I doubt the 4 year old boy in the video has it either. :)
That is something that would be researched with, I repeat yet again, GP, medical and psychological support to determine over a few years.
Is that too hard for you to grasp Opti, as I know your normal subject that you can handle is about touching up women and their bits!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I think the Chinese are doing similar to the Uighars, making them very happy with their choice of lifestyle. ;D
A bit extreme... A four year old would probably be swayed by jelly and ice cream... Who's a naughty boy/good girl :-X
I can imagine the conversation.
"Mum(s).....can I have ice cream and jelly"
"Not unless you tell a load of people you want to become a girl.....like the one I wanted, and like the pretty little girl your brother now is"
" Oh, Ok then"
" Good girl, I'm proud of you"
" Thanks mum(s)"
Now you are being just stupid and again emphasising your ignorance and inability to understand a very complex issue >:(
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
Oh, I think not. In fact, I think you just totally made that up. :o I'll ask a cleric and see what he says, if he can put his choirboy down for long enough to answer.
I have believed that most of my life, so just open your old eyes and look at the World and the Universe around us ;)
I look at the world every day, Lizzie, through the eyes of a man who has been married three times, had three (normal) sons, served in HM forces, done quite a few jobs, etc, just a normal life really, and there are certain elements of it that disgust and revile me. But this is not through ignorance, far from it. I understand perfectly what is going on, thank you. And, if there is a god, he will certainly be slamming the door shut on quite a few of the deviants I observe each day.
Fire and brimstone for them, I'm afraid. ;D
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
Oh, I think not. In fact, I think you just totally made that up. :o I'll ask a cleric and see what he says, if he can put his choirboy down for long enough to answer.
I have believed that most of my life, so just open your old eyes and look at the World and the Universe around us ;)
I look at the world every day, Lizzie, through the eyes of a man who has been married three times, had three (normal) sons, served in HM forces, done quite a few jobs, etc, just a normal life really, and there are certain elements of it that disgust and revile me. But this is not through ignorance, far from it. I understand perfectly what is going on, thank you. And, if there is a god, he will certainly be slamming the door shut on quite a few of the deviants I observe each day.
Fire and brimstone for them, I'm afraid. ;D
Do not judge Steve least you will be judged...... ;D ;D
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
Oh, I think not. In fact, I think you just totally made that up. :o I'll ask a cleric and see what he says, if he can put his choirboy down for long enough to answer.
I have believed that most of my life, so just open your old eyes and look at the World and the Universe around us ;)
I look at the world every day, Lizzie, through the eyes of a man who has been married three times, had three (normal) sons, served in HM forces, done quite a few jobs, etc, just a normal life really, and there are certain elements of it that disgust and revile me. But this is not through ignorance, far from it. I understand perfectly what is going on, thank you. And, if there is a god, he will certainly be slamming the door shut on quite a few of the deviants I observe each day.
Fire and brimstone for them, I'm afraid. ;D
Do not judge Steve least you will be judged...... ;D ;D
That's lest, Lizzie, lest....... :P
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As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
:-X
That is because the general distribution of God is as a "he", but I think most of us who believe can recognise God is without gender. Why should God need to be a man or a woman as the creation of all universal life is beyond the requirement for that. ;)
Oh come on Lizzie, we all know God is an elderly and slightly portly white man with a big bushy white beard, who goes round in white robes! ::)
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Hallelujah..😂
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As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
:-X
That is because the general distribution of God is as a "he", but I think most of us who believe can recognise God is without gender. Why should God need to be a man or a woman as the creation of all universal life is beyond the requirement for that. ;)
Oh come on Lizzie, we all know God is an elderly and slightly portly white man with a big bushy white beard, who goes round in white robes! ::)
;D ;D ;D Yes, as illustrated in all those books we read as children and in paintings we also were exposed to, with no one apparently questioning the wisdom of that or the portrayal of Jesus Christ as a white man!, ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
Oh how reassuring that was for those past generations in Great Britain!, :o :o
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
Oh, I think not. In fact, I think you just totally made that up. :o I'll ask a cleric and see what he says, if he can put his choirboy down for long enough to answer.
I have believed that most of my life, so just open your old eyes and look at the World and the Universe around us ;)
I look at the world every day, Lizzie, through the eyes of a man who has been married three times, had three (normal) sons, served in HM forces, done quite a few jobs, etc, just a normal life really, and there are certain elements of it that disgust and revile me. But this is not through ignorance, far from it. I understand perfectly what is going on, thank you. And, if there is a god, he will certainly be slamming the door shut on quite a few of the deviants I observe each day.
Fire and brimstone for them, I'm afraid. ;D
Do not judge Steve least you will be judged...... ;D ;D
That's lest, Lizzie, lest....... :P
Now, now Steve, you are judging me on my appalling spelling :o :o ;D ;D ;)
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I wonder what your precious god would make of all of this, Lizzie. If he actually existed I think we'd be due a good few plagues about now. ::)
As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
Oh, I think not. In fact, I think you just totally made that up. :o I'll ask a cleric and see what he says, if he can put his choirboy down for long enough to answer.
I have believed that most of my life, so just open your old eyes and look at the World and the Universe around us ;)
I look at the world every day, Lizzie, through the eyes of a man who has been married three times, had three (normal) sons, served in HM forces, done quite a few jobs, etc, just a normal life really, and there are certain elements of it that disgust and revile me. But this is not through ignorance, far from it. I understand perfectly what is going on, thank you. And, if there is a god, he will certainly be slamming the door shut on quite a few of the deviants I observe each day.
Fire and brimstone for them, I'm afraid. ;D
Do not judge Steve least you will be judged...... ;D ;D
That's lest, Lizzie, lest....... :P
Now, now Steve, you are judging me on my appalling spelling :o :o ;D ;D ;)
If more people were judged on such things, you wouldn't get cretins in positions of influence.
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As he made us all he understands far more than anyone of us how diverse this World is and the complexities of the human form. What he does not tolerate is the persecution of a minority by those who are do arrogant that they think they know everything about life.
Live and let live, love and be rue to yourself. ;)
:-X
That is because the general distribution of God is as a "he", but I think most of us who believe can recognise God is without gender. Why should God need to be a man or a woman as the creation of all universal life is beyond the requirement for that. ;)
Oh come on Lizzie, we all know God is an elderly and slightly portly white man with a big bushy white beard, who goes round in white robes! ::)
;D ;D ;D Yes, as illustrated in all those books we read as children and in paintings we also were exposed to, with no one apparently questioning the wisdom of that or the portrayal of Jesus Christ as a white man!, ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
Oh how reassuring that was for those past generations in Great Britain!, :o :o
Well... Jesus was more likely to have been a white man than a Chinese or Aztec Indian. :)
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Step away from the apples!
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Step away from the apples!
An apple a day.... :)
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Step away from the apples!
An apple a day.... :)
I'd be knackered, me ;D
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Looks like I got my tin opener out and released the worms !!! 2 comments , on my gender forum most say they knew from a very early age . A lot have had to wait till in there 50s and 60s due to lack of knowledge and resources when they were young. Next is the bible was written by people with a controlling agender to line there own pockets by altering the original , nothing changes then!!
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Looks like I got my tin opener out and released the worms !!! 2 comments , on my gender forum most say they knew from a very early age . A lot have had to wait till in there 50s and 60s due to lack of knowledge and resources when they were young. Next is the bible was written by people with a controlling agender to line there own pockets by altering the original , nothing changes then!!
Well stated and very factual countrywoman and thank you so much for being so brave to reveal your true self and it's history.
Most transgendered individuals do show signs of being such at an early age. From about 4 years of age is fairly usual. Also waiting for even the current NHS to assist individuals in the various processes of transitioning can take a very long time, which becomes increasingly a risk to health as they become ever more desperate.
Going the private treatment route is the other option, but only suitable for those with the funds to cover the whole process. About £30,000 is a fair assessment of those costs, which again adds tremendous pressure on the individual. That can all add up to very severe depression, a feeling of hopelessness, and then suicide in all too many cases. :'( :'(
Why some feel that it is all done on a whim, as a choice like choosing what to eat, as shown in this thread, that should be joked about is beyond me. ::) ::)
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Looks like I got my tin opener out and released the worms !!! 2 comments , on my gender forum most say they knew from a very early age . A lot have had to wait till in there 50s and 60s due to lack of knowledge and resources when they were young. Next is the bible was written by people with a controlling agender to line there own pockets by altering the original , nothing changes then!!
Other people may say........they thought they knew from an early age but time moved on and and their views changed with the passing of time, and they were glad they gave themselves the chance to grow and mature to the point where they could make an informed ADULT decision.
Informed adult decision.... :y
Parental grooming and indoctrination of small children by dysfunctional adults.... :( :(
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Back to the under funded services then-------It will be 5 years by the time I get the op and covid has efed up my electrolysis,still waiting. So lets hope the census results help for everyone who/what ever you are.
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Back to the under funded services then-------It will be 5 years by the time I get the op and covid has efed up my electrolysis,still waiting. So lets hope the census results help for everyone who/what ever you are.
All the very best with that. The five years is a long time to wait, but after no doubt years of waiting it will be very worthwhile and make you feel more "complete" than ever before in your life. :y :y
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Looks like I got my tin opener out and released the worms !!! 2 comments , on my gender forum most say they knew from a very early age . A lot have had to wait till in there 50s and 60s due to lack of knowledge and resources when they were young. Next is the bible was written by people with a controlling agender to line there own pockets by altering the original , nothing changes then!!
Other people may say........they thought they knew from an early age but time moved on and and their views changed with the passing of time, and they were glad they gave themselves the chance to grow and mature to the point where they could make an informed ADULT decision.
Informed adult decision.... :y
Parental grooming and indoctrination of small children by dysfunctional adults.... :( :(
Opti!! You have not read my detailed explanations of the FACTS that surround transgendered individuals. With those that mature with the feelings they have had since early childhood in so many they do not disappear; they actually become even more apparent, until they get the professional help I have mentioned more than once. Unfortunately that means they often have gone through puberty and now face an even harder process to become the man / women they KNOW they are in their brains - called brain gender. Indeed it is far harder for women to fully transition to the male form, with the gender reassignment operation being far more complicated and therefore greatly more expensive.
It is NEVER down to "Parental grooming and indoctrination of small children by dysfunctional adults.... " and that is a very insulting and completely inaccurate comment for those who have gone through the full process over many years.
Why are you so dismissive of people who are transgendered Opti? Why does it concern you so much? Have you not got more to worry about? ::) ::) ::)
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To quote Will S "me thinketh they do protest to much"
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To quote Will S "me thinketh they do protest to much"
Yes, you are so right!! :y :y
Some have their reasons for not wanting to live and let live. ;) ;)
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Looks like I got my tin opener out and released the worms !!! 2 comments , on my gender forum most say they knew from a very early age . A lot have had to wait till in there 50s and 60s due to lack of knowledge and resources when they were young. Next is the bible was written by people with a controlling agender to line there own pockets by altering the original , nothing changes then!!
Other people may say........they thought they knew from an early age but time moved on and and their views changed with the passing of time, and they were glad they gave themselves the chance to grow and mature to the point where they could make an informed ADULT decision.
Informed adult decision.... :y
Parental grooming and indoctrination of small children by dysfunctional adults.... :( :(
Opti!! You have not read my detailed explanations of the FACTS that surround transgendered individuals. With those that mature with the feelings they have had since early childhood in so many they do not disappear; they actually become even more apparent, until they get the professional help I have mentioned more than once. Unfortunately that means they often have gone through puberty and now face an even harder process to become the man / women they KNOW they are in their brains - called brain gender. Indeed it is far harder for women to fully transition to the male form, with the gender reassignment operation being far more complicated and therefore greatly more expensive.
It is NEVER down to "Parental grooming and indoctrination of small children by dysfunctional adults.... " and that is a very insulting and completely inaccurate comment for those who have gone through the full process over many years.
Why are you so dismissive of people who are transgendered Opti? Why does it concern you so much? Have you not got more to worry about? ::) ::) ::)
Ok Lizzie. So every four year boy who says he wants to be a girl, and every four year old girl who say they want to be a boy should be signed up for gender reassignment, because, using your own words, these thoughts will not disappear. This seems to be the extent of your logic.
Using such warped logic would probably end up with about 80% of the population being trans.
In your world Tomboy girls wouldn't be allowed to grow and mature into natural real women. Sensitive boys wouldn't be allowed to develop into normal healthy men.
There is a reason why we have an age of consent in this country. This is so young people are not manipulated by those older than them with their own agenda.
I'm disappointed you find the obvious indoctrination and manipulation of a 4 year child at a gender change ceremony acceptable. It is the abnormal masquerading as the normal. :-\ :-\ :-\
Less wokery and more common sense is the way to go. :) :-* :-* :-* :-*
If adults feels they are in the wrong body then I wish them good luck and hope they can find emotional and perhaps physical help. Children need to be protected until they are 'capable' of making life changing decisions. It's really not rocket science.
We must agree to disagree, sweetie......despite me being right. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Less wokery and more common sense is the way to go. :) :-* :-* :-* :-*
If adults feels they are in the wrong body then I wish them good luck and hope they can find emotional and perhaps physical help. Children need to be protected until they are 'capable' of making life changing decisions. It's really not rocket science.
We must agree to disagree, sweetie......despite me being right. :-* :-* :-* :-*
If you're right, then this is so common that everyone of us would have to know of children being 'groomed' like this. Every teacher in the country should be able to give many examples. Neither of those things are true.
A quick google of the figures suggests that there are fewer than 3000 children or adolescent gender identity patients in the UK, out of a population of 12.5 million. That is about 0.015%, which is both practically and statistically insignificant.
You are inventing a problem based on nothing but your own bias.
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Less wokery and more common sense is the way to go. :) :-* :-* :-* :-*
If adults feels they are in the wrong body then I wish them good luck and hope they can find emotional and perhaps physical help. Children need to be protected until they are 'capable' of making life changing decisions. It's really not rocket science.
We must agree to disagree, sweetie......despite me being right. :-* :-* :-* :-*
If you're right, then this is so common that everyone of us would have to know of children being 'groomed' like this. Every teacher in the country should be able to give many examples. Neither of those things are true.
A quick google of the figures suggests that there are fewer than 3000 children or adolescent gehttp://images.omegaowners.com/forum/smf2000/Smileys/oofstd/kiss.gifnder identity patients in the UK, out of a population of 12.5 million. That is about 0.015%, which is both practically and statistically insignificant.
You are inventing a problem based on nothing but your own bias.
Which is why the 99.85% majority should not pander to them......or feel they they should not be allowed to voice their opinion because of the intersectionality madness that has taken over.
Batley grammar school is another example of where the majority are required to appease the minority, The school has no need to apologise, yet they are falling over themselves to say how sorry they are. Sorry for what exactly?
3000 children going through gender reassignment..... :-\ :-\ :-\ It's worse than I thought. Poor little bastards.
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To quote Will S "me thinketh they do protest to much"
Don't knock it until you've tried it. :y
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To quote Will S "me thinketh they do protest to much"
Don't knock it until you've tried it. :y
Tried what exactly? :D
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3000 children going through gender reassignment..... :-\ :-\ :-\ It's worse than I thought. Poor little bastards.
That's a relatively constant number.
As are the 50,000 teenage pregnancies, or 12,000 reported rapes of under 18s per year. Which looks like an actual problem to me.
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I would suspect that a proportion of the latter are a direct response to the former, and would also suggest that a significant number of both are perpetrated by under 21s...
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Informed adult decision.... :y
Parental grooming and indoctrination of small children by dysfunctional adults.... :( :(
Opti!! You have not read my detailed explanations of the FACTS that surround transgendered individuals. With those that mature with the feelings they have had since early childhood in so many they do not disappear; they actually become even more apparent, until they get the professional help [/highlight]I have mentioned more than once. Unfortunately that means they often have gone through puberty and now face an even harder process to become the man / women they KNOW they are in their brains - called brain gender. Indeed it is far harder for women to fully transition to the male form, with the gender reassignment operation being far more complicated and therefore greatly more expensive.
It is NEVER down to "Parental grooming and indoctrination of small children by dysfunctional adults.... " and that is a very insulting and completely inaccurate comment for those who have gone through the full process over many years.
Why are you so dismissive of people who are transgendered Opti? Why does it concern you so much? Have you not got more to worry about? ::) ::) ::)
Ok Lizzie. So every four year boy who says he wants to be a girl, and every four year old girl who say they want to be a boy should be signed up for gender reassignment, because, using your own words, these thoughts will not disappear. This seems to be the extent of your logic.
Using such warped logic would probably end up with about 80% of the population being trans.
In your world Tomboy girls wouldn't be allowed to grow and mature into natural real women. Sensitive boys wouldn't be allowed to develop into normal healthy men.
There is a reason why we have an age of consent in this country. This is so young people are not manipulated by those older than them with their own agenda.
I'm disappointed you find the obvious indoctrination and manipulation of a 4 year child at a gender change ceremony acceptable. It is the abnormal masquerading as the normal. :-\ :-\ :-\
Less wokery and more common sense is the way to go. :) :-* :-* :-* :-*
If adults feels they are in the wrong body then I wish them good luck and hope they can find emotional and perhaps physical help. Children need to be protected until they are 'capable' of making life changing decisions. It's really not rocket science.
We must agree to disagree, sweetie......despite me being right. :-* :-* :-* :-*
Just fully read and fully understand what I have extensively detailed and you will eventually understand I have said nothing to support your above suggestions. I have repeatedly said about GP, medical and psychological assessment is essential OVER YEARS, once a parent becomes aware and concerned of certain patterns of behavior. Indeed parents are often VERY skeptical about once anyone suggests their child is "different" and they do NOT indoctrination and manipulate at any stage wanting a more standard explanation of what is being witnessed. This process is reflected in all the true UK transgender cases I have personally witnessed and read reports on by specialists. The system, by default, makes it virtually impossible for anyone fool the specialists by acting as though they are trans when they are clearly not.
In addition I challenge any man or woman to dress, conform and in particular LIVE with an adopted gender for more than a month, if that, and suffer the indignities, humiliations, insults and even threats that involves. Go on Opti, if you think that is possible start wearing female clothes, a wig, putting on make-up walking down the street, shopping, socializing and going to work 24/7 and see if that is on a whim, a joke, as you are suggesting!
Remember as well that a transgendered individual MUST live fully in their adopted gender for at least 2 years or more before any surgery will be performed and the government can grant a Gender Recognition Certificate so that their birth certificate can show their true gender.
If you think, after all I have explained, it can still be done on a whim, on a fancy at ANY AGE, then there is little hope in advancing your knowledge on the issue and stop you from insulting others, like countrywoman.
This is a public forum and your comments could well be read by a highly stressed, vulnerable child or adult who is scared to get professional help, or even talk to their skeptical parents about their feelings with disastrous results. So keep your thoughts to yourself please, you have said enough already. I would also draw attention for all on the Forum to the Equality Act 2010 and in particular to the 9 protected characteristics:
age.
disability.
gender reassignment.
marriage and civil partnership.
pregnancy and maternity.
race.
religion or belief.
sex.
Sorry to get 'heavy' on this, and although free speech is a given right, the vulnerable must be protected and I have a duty as an advisor to both Kent Police and the Regional Counter Terrorism Advisory Group attached to Thames Valley Police to make this clear for their sake. Lives can be destroyed with ignorance.
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What's the ninth?
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Less wokery and more common sense is the way to go. :) :-* :-* :-* :-*
If adults feels they are in the wrong body then I wish them good luck and hope they can find emotional and perhaps physical help. Children need to be protected until they are 'capable' of making life changing decisions. It's really not rocket science.
We must agree to disagree, sweetie......despite me being right. :-* :-* :-* :-*
If you're right, then this is so common that everyone of us would have to know of children being 'groomed' like this. Every teacher in the country should be able to give many examples. Neither of those things are true.
A quick google of the figures suggests that there are fewer than 3000 children or adolescent gender identity patients in the UK, out of a population of 12.5 million. That is about 0.015%, which is both practically and statistically insignificant.
You are inventing a problem based on nothing but your own bias.
Well said Nick :y :y
In fact it is only estimated, perhaps the Census will make it clearer, that about 1 in every 5,000 to 10,000 are transgendered which results in about a total of between 200,000 to 500,000 officially - I repeat that is an ESTIMATE. Many trans individuals are too frightened to make their feelings known or get help, which only pushes up the suicide potential, especially when they come across the bias and ignorance shown by Opti!!
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What's the ninth?
Sorry, the official list should show Sexual Orientation as the ninth. ;)
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What's the ninth?
Sorry, the official list should show Sexual Orientation as the ninth. ;)
Is that in addition to sex then?
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What about misandry? Shouldn't that be on the list? ???
Poor Lord Opti is quite vulnerable you know! :'( ;D
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What's the ninth?
Sorry, the official list should show Sexual Orientation as the ninth. ;)
Is that in addition to sex then?
Yes. "Sex" is male or female discrimination ;)
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So we are turning the world upside down and abolishing all known norms as well as strictly limiting freedom of speech and expression for 0.015% of people who could possibly in certain circumstances be adversely affected by something - maybe. ::)
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What about misandry? Shouldn't that be on the list? ???
Poor Lord Opti is quite vulnerable you know! :'( ;D
;D ;D ;D I am beginning to wonder!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
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At most only three of those things have any bearing on anything official, age/DoB, Ethnicity (skin colour essentially) and Sex (M/F) being just about the only three items to actually identify a person compared to another. As per birth certificates and passports.
Everything else falls under FOAMYOB.
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So we are turning the world upside down and abolishing all known norms as well as strictly limiting freedom of speech and expression for 0.015% of people who could possibly in certain circumstances be adversely affected by something - maybe. ::)
So minorities (about 5% who are trans based on official estimated figures) do not matter and should not be protected?
Free speech is great and I fully support it, but when it hurts and badly affects fellow human beings it must be controlled. ;)
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At most only three of those things have any bearing on anything official, age/DoB, Ethnicity (skin colour essentially) and Sex (M/F) being just about the only three items to actually identify a person compared to another. As per birth certificates and passports.
Everything else falls under FOAMYOB.
No, the Equality Act 2010 sets out the NINE protected characteristics and is enforced by the authorities.
Anyone of us could be discriminated against so it is there to protect the weak, vulnerable and those generally susceptible to Hate Crime. ;)
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Might as well add political affiliations and allergies to the list then.
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Your moving the goalposts. 0.015 % figure suited your argument in one post but changes to 5% when it suits in another.
You either have freedom of speech or you dont. Having controlled freedom of speech is like being a little bit pregnant.
If you disagree with what someone says dont ban them from saying it, argue against what they said.
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So we are turning the world upside down and abolishing all known norms as well as strictly limiting freedom of speech and expression for 0.015% of people who could possibly in certain circumstances be adversely affected by something - maybe. ::)
So minorities (about 5% who are trans based on official estimated figures) do not matter and should not be protected?
Free speech is great and I fully support it, but when it hurts and badly affects fellow human beings it must be controlled. ;)
It can't be controlled, get down the pub on a Friday night and you'll see. ;D
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Oh dear lizzie.....I see you are pulling the 'rozzer card' which I suppose is much like the race card. ::) I suppose when common sense and reason are are replaced with SJW wokery then shutting down any further conversation is the usual route to take. Nazi Germany anyone?
You say the vulnerable must be protected but protected from what?.......let me think. Could it be they need protecting from an opinion that doesn't mirror your own. This is the stuff of woke kids in the American college system where everybody needs to be silenced until they are all singing from the same prayer book usually from an extreme left wing point of view
You can say whatever you want. I may not agree but you can say it. From your point of view you want to shut things down and no doubt you will try to spin a difference of opinion into 'hate speech'. Be aware Lizzie that there is a difference between hate speech and speech you hate......and you do not get to play God.
I am of the opinion (along with most people) of thinking that trans surgery should not happen until the person in question is old enough to consent......that is not an impressionable child who may well change their mind,.......wow shock horror how evil.
Don't try and tell me what to think. >:(
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Your moving the goalposts. 0.015 % figure suited your argument in one post but changes to 5% when it suits in another.
You either have freedom of speech or you dont. Having controlled freedom of speech is like being a little bit pregnant.
If you disagree with what someone says dont ban them from saying it, argue against what they said.
Please show me the post where I quoted that figure. ;)
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So we are turning the world upside down and abolishing all known norms as well as strictly limiting freedom of speech and expression for 0.015% of people who could possibly in certain circumstances be adversely affected by something - maybe. ::)
So minorities (about 5% who are trans based on official estimated figures) do not matter and should not be protected?
Free speech is great and I fully support it, but when it hurts and badly affects fellow human beings it must be controlled. ;)
It can't be controlled, get down the pub on a Friday night and you'll see. ;D
I cannot because they are closed! ;D ;D ;D
Anyway we all know what is said when alcohol is involved Steve, but does that make it OK? ::) ::)
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Oh dear lizzie.....I see you are pulling the 'rozzer card' which I suppose is much like the race card. ::) I suppose when common sense and reason are are replaced with SJW wokery then shutting down any further conversation is the usual route to take. Nazi Germany anyone?
You say the vulnerable must be protected but protected from what?.......let me think. Could it be they need protecting from an opinion that doesn't mirror your own. This is the stuff of woke kids in the American college system where everybody needs to be silenced until they are all singing from the same prayer book usually from an extreme left wing point of view
You can say whatever you want. I may not agree but you can say it. From your point of view you want to shut things down and no doubt you will try to spin a difference of opinion into 'hate speech'. Be aware Lizzie that there is a difference between hate speech and speech you hate......and you do not get to play God.
I am of the opinion (along with most people) of thinking that trans surgery should not happen until the person in question is old enough to consent......that is not an impressionable child who may well change their mind,.......wow shock horror how evil.
Don't try and tell me what to think. >:(
Like I already said, Opti, I call a spade a spade, a queer a queer and I will not stop for anyone.
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So we are turning the world upside down and abolishing all known norms as well as strictly limiting freedom of speech and expression for 0.015% of people who could possibly in certain circumstances be adversely affected by something - maybe. ::)
So minorities (about 5% who are trans based on official estimated figures) do not matter and should not be protected?
Free speech is great and I fully support it, but when it hurts and badly affects fellow human beings it must be controlled. ;)
Of course they can be protected. Just don't allow the 95% who think differently to have an opinion......in case some of the 5% are offended.
This is the route you are taking.
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Your moving the goalposts. 0.015 % figure suited your argument in one post but changes to 5% when it suits in another.
You either have freedom of speech or you dont. Having controlled freedom of speech is like being a little bit pregnant.
If you disagree with what someone says dont ban them from saying it, argue against what they said.
Please show me the post where I quoted that figure. ;)
Ok Mrs Pedant. Nick said it and you then replied "well said Nick". ::)
Please reply to the rest of the post. Not just the four words you highlighted. ;)
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https://officialhodgetwins.com/products/white-privilege-card
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https://officialhodgetwins.com/products/white-privilege-card
Something they can never own ;)
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Oh dear lizzie.....I see you are pulling the 'rozzer card' which I suppose is much like the race card. ::) I suppose when common sense and reason are are replaced with SJW wokery then shutting down any further conversation is the usual route to take. Nazi Germany anyone?
You say the vulnerable must be protected but protected from what?.......let me think. Could it be they need protecting from an opinion that doesn't mirror your own. This is the stuff of woke kids in the American college system where everybody needs to be silenced until they are all singing from the same prayer book usually from an extreme left wing point of view
You can say whatever you want. I may not agree but you can say it. From your point of view you want to shut things down and no doubt you will try to spin a difference of opinion into 'hate speech'. Be aware Lizzie that there is a difference between hate speech and speech you hate......and you do not get to play God.
I am of the opinion (along with most people) of thinking that trans surgery should not happen until the person in question is old enough to consent......that is not an impressionable child who may well change their mind,.......wow shock horror how evil.
Don't try and tell me what to think. >:(
Yet again you are misinformed!!!
No one under the age of 18 can undergo gender reassignment surgery in the UK. A child needing to go on puberty blockers MUST also get permission from the courts if it can be proved by professional that it is in the child's best interests.
What has the USA got to do with all this in the UK?
You are so up yourself on this subject that you are just spouting ignorant rubbish to try and justify your bias!! >:( >:(
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I love the way Lizzie talks about free speech but then threatens to call her friends in the police if I/we don't manage our thinking in a way she deems acceptable.
Great book 1984. ::)
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I can see the fingerless mittens coming off !!
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I can see the fingerless mittens coming off !!
Really? Where you gonna shove your fingers then? :-\
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So we are turning the world upside down and abolishing all known norms as well as strictly limiting freedom of speech and expression for 0.015% of people who could possibly in certain circumstances be adversely affected by something - maybe. ::)
But that's the thing: we are not!
Most people look at these rare reports, think 'that's a bit shit' and get on with their lives.
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Your moving the goalposts. 0.015 % figure suited your argument in one post but changes to 5% when it suits in another.
You either have freedom of speech or you dont. Having controlled freedom of speech is like being a little bit pregnant.
If you disagree with what someone says dont ban them from saying it, argue against what they said.
Please show me the post where I quoted that figure. ;)
Ok Mrs Pedant. Nick said it and you then replied "well said Nick". ::)
Please reply to the rest of the post. Not just the four words you highlighted. ;)
If you read my recent posts you will see my explanation of why freedom of speech should be restricted when on a public forum when discussing a very human issue that could result in death.
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Your moving the goalposts. 0.015 % figure suited your argument in one post but changes to 5% when it suits in another.
You either have freedom of speech or you dont. Having controlled freedom of speech is like being a little bit pregnant.
If you disagree with what someone says dont ban them from saying it, argue against what they said.
Please show me the post where I quoted that figure. ;)
Ok Mrs Pedant. Nick said it and you then replied "well said Nick". ::)
Please reply to the rest of the post. Not just the four words you highlighted. ;)
If you read my recent posts you will see my explanation of why freedom of speech should be restricted when on a public forum when discussing a very human issue that could result in death.
Yeah, they all own Vauxhall omegas ;D
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Oh dear lizzie.....I see you are pulling the 'rozzer card' which I suppose is much like the race card. ::) I suppose when common sense and reason are are replaced with SJW wokery then shutting down any further conversation is the usual route to take. Nazi Germany anyone?
You say the vulnerable must be protected but protected from what?.......let me think. Could it be they need protecting from an opinion that doesn't mirror your own. This is the stuff of woke kids in the American college system where everybody needs to be silenced until they are all singing from the same prayer book usually from an extreme left wing point of view
You can say whatever you want. I may not agree but you can say it. From your point of view you want to shut things down and no doubt you will try to spin a difference of opinion into 'hate speech'. Be aware Lizzie that there is a difference between hate speech and speech you hate......and you do not get to play God.
I am of the opinion (along with most people) of thinking that trans surgery should not happen until the person in question is old enough to consent......that is not an impressionable child who may well change their mind,.......wow shock horror how evil.
Don't try and tell me what to think. >:(
Yet again you are misinformed!!!
No one under the age of 18 can undergo gender reassignment surgery in the UK. A child needing to go on puberty blockers MUST also get permission from the courts if it can be proved by professional that it is in the child's best interests.
What has the USA got to do with all this in the UK?
You are so up yourself on this subject that you are just spouting ignorant rubbish to try and justify your bias!! >:( >:(
Strewth...just listen to yourself woman. Puberty blockers are not the same as jelly tots and smarties. They are potent and come with consequences.
How you think this is normal is beyond me. :(
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I love the way Lizzie talks about free speech but then threatens to call her friends in the police if I/we don't manage our thinking in a way she deems acceptable.
Great book 1984. ::)
I have NOT threatened to call anyone!!
I just pointed out that you and others should think deeply about the offensive comments that have been made on the subject of trans people on a public forum. >:( >:( >:(
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I love the way Lizzie talks about free speech but then threatens to call her friends in the police if I/we don't manage our thinking in a way she deems acceptable.
Great book 1984. ::)
I have NOT threatened to call anyone!!
I just pointed out that you and others should think deeply about the offensive comments that have been made on the subject of trans people on a public forum. >:( >:( >:(
Why? :-\
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One persons offensive is another persons common sense.
Who gets to decide ? :)
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It's a car forum for omega owners, the only reason somebody of that ilk would be on here is to look for something that they can be outraged about. Ring any bells?
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Oh dear lizzie.....I see you are pulling the 'rozzer card' which I suppose is much like the race card. ::) I suppose when common sense and reason are are replaced with SJW wokery then shutting down any further conversation is the usual route to take. Nazi Germany anyone?
You say the vulnerable must be protected but protected from what?.......let me think. Could it be they need protecting from an opinion that doesn't mirror your own. This is the stuff of woke kids in the American college system where everybody needs to be silenced until they are all singing from the same prayer book usually from an extreme left wing point of view
You can say whatever you want. I may not agree but you can say it. From your point of view you want to shut things down and no doubt you will try to spin a difference of opinion into 'hate speech'. Be aware Lizzie that there is a difference between hate speech and speech you hate......and you do not get to play God.
I am of the opinion (along with most people) of thinking that trans surgery should not happen until the person in question is old enough to consent......that is not an impressionable child who may well change their mind,.......wow shock horror how evil.
Don't try and tell me what to think. >:(
Yet again you are misinformed!!!
No one under the age of 18 can undergo gender reassignment surgery in the UK. A child needing to go on puberty blockers MUST also get permission from the courts if it can be proved by professional that it is in the child's best interests.
What has the USA got to do with all this in the UK?
You are so up yourself on this subject that you are just spouting ignorant rubbish to try and justify your bias!! >:( >:(
Strewth...just listen to yourself woman. Puberty blockers are not the same as jelly tots and smarties. They are potent and come with consequences.
How you think this is normal is beyond me. :(
Yes, it is all beyond you as you are an ignorant old man who will not listen to reason, unless it is about touching up women and talking about our "bits" and generally degrading us >:( >:( >:(
You are the past. Welcome to the new enlightened World.
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I love the way Lizzie talks about free speech but then threatens to call her friends in the police if I/we don't manage our thinking in a way she deems acceptable.
Great book 1984. ::)
I have NOT threatened to call anyone!!
I just pointed out that you and others should think deeply about the offensive comments that have been made on the subject of trans people on a public forum. >:( >:( >:(
Being offensive is subjective.......some may be offended others may not. There you go again Lizzie trying to control on things you don't personally like or agree with.
Dictator Lizzie... :D Best you don't mention free speech again. :y
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I love the way Lizzie talks about free speech but then threatens to call her friends in the police if I/we don't manage our thinking in a way she deems acceptable.
Great book 1984. ::)
I have NOT threatened to call anyone!!
I just pointed out that you and others should think deeply about the offensive comments that have been made on the subject of trans people on a public forum. >:( >:( >:(
Why? :-\
Because on this issue it can cause very great distress to those already vulnerable and unsure about themselves, just like on any other social media site, with terrible consequences. But I have covered that before ;)
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Oh dear lizzie.....I see you are pulling the 'rozzer card' which I suppose is much like the race card. ::) I suppose when common sense and reason are are replaced with SJW wokery then shutting down any further conversation is the usual route to take. Nazi Germany anyone?
You say the vulnerable must be protected but protected from what?.......let me think. Could it be they need protecting from an opinion that doesn't mirror your own. This is the stuff of woke kids in the American college system where everybody needs to be silenced until they are all singing from the same prayer book usually from an extreme left wing point of view
You can say whatever you want. I may not agree but you can say it. From your point of view you want to shut things down and no doubt you will try to spin a difference of opinion into 'hate speech'. Be aware Lizzie that there is a difference between hate speech and speech you hate......and you do not get to play God.
I am of the opinion (along with most people) of thinking that trans surgery should not happen until the person in question is old enough to consent......that is not an impressionable child who may well change their mind,.......wow shock horror how evil.
Don't try and tell me what to think. >:(
Yet again you are misinformed!!!
No one under the age of 18 can undergo gender reassignment surgery in the UK. A child needing to go on puberty blockers MUST also get permission from the courts if it can be proved by professional that it is in the child's best interests.
What has the USA got to do with all this in the UK?
You are so up yourself on this subject that you are just spouting ignorant rubbish to try and justify your bias!! >:( >:(
Strewth...just listen to yourself woman. Puberty blockers are not the same as jelly tots and smarties. They are potent and come with consequences.
How you think this is normal is beyond me. :(
Yes, it is all beyond you as you are an ignorant old man who will not listen to reason, unless it is about touching up women and talking about our "bits" and generally degrade us >:( >:( >:(
You are the past. Welcome to the new enlightened World.
I think you'll find that the views on here are the majority, your enlightened world only exists in small, vociferous groups who rely on the law to protect them from mainstream opinions.
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This forum is, generally, full of men who are of a certain persuasion. I have no idea why you think anyone is going to take a lot of notice of what you say, Lizzie. Barking up the wrong tree, I think.
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Oh dear lizzie.....I see you are pulling the 'rozzer card' which I suppose is much like the race card. ::) I suppose when common sense and reason are are replaced with SJW wokery then shutting down any further conversation is the usual route to take. Nazi Germany anyone?
You say the vulnerable must be protected but protected from what?.......let me think. Could it be they need protecting from an opinion that doesn't mirror your own. This is the stuff of woke kids in the American college system where everybody needs to be silenced until they are all singing from the same prayer book usually from an extreme left wing point of view
You can say whatever you want. I may not agree but you can say it. From your point of view you want to shut things down and no doubt you will try to spin a difference of opinion into 'hate speech'. Be aware Lizzie that there is a difference between hate speech and speech you hate......and you do not get to play God.
I am of the opinion (along with most people) of thinking that trans surgery should not happen until the person in question is old enough to consent......that is not an impressionable child who may well change their mind,.......wow shock horror how evil.
Don't try and tell me what to think. >:(
Yet again you are misinformed!!!
No one under the age of 18 can undergo gender reassignment surgery in the UK. A child needing to go on puberty blockers MUST also get permission from the courts if it can be proved by professional that it is in the child's best interests.
What has the USA got to do with all this in the UK?
You are so up yourself on this subject that you are just spouting ignorant rubbish to try and justify your bias!! >:( >:(
Strewth...just listen to yourself woman. Puberty blockers are not the same as jelly tots and smarties. They are potent and come with consequences.
How you think this is normal is beyond me. :(
Yes, it is all beyond you as you are an ignorant old man who will not listen to reason, unless it is about touching up women and talking about our "bits" and generally degrade us >:( >:( >:(
You are the past. Welcome to the new enlightened World.
I think you'll find that the views on here are the majority, your enlightened world only exists in small, vociferous groups who rely on the law to protect them from mainstream opinions.
On the OOF the majority?!! You believe the very few who have posted on this thread represent the majority of what - how many members have actually commented?
So you think the majority must always rule? Yes, Hitler loved that and also killed off the minorities as the majority did nothing. That was OK then? ::) ::) ::)
With Freedom of Speech comes a great responsibility of avoiding giving great pain to others by choosing how and what you say. ;)
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This forum is, generally, full of men who are of a certain persuasion. I have no idea why you think anyone is going to take a lot of notice of what you say, Lizzie. Barking up the wrong tree, I think.
Now that I 100% agree with Steve!! ;D ;D :y :y
But a girl must try against the tide.................. ::) ::) ;) ;)
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For the greater good.....🇬🇧
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For the greater good.....🇬🇧
Yes :D :D :y
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This forum is, generally, full of men who are of a certain persuasion. I have no idea why you think anyone is going to take a lot of notice of what you say, Lizzie. Barking up the wrong tree, I think.
Now that I 100% agree with Steve!! ;D ;D :y :y
But a girl must try against the tide.................. ::) ::) ;) ;)
Like I said earlier, but some people do like to skip posts, looking for something to be outraged about.
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For the greater good.....🇬🇧
Yes :D :D :y
You do know that means for the majority? ::) Something you said Hitler would be proud of.
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I love the way Lizzie talks about free speech but then threatens to call her friends in the police if I/we don't manage our thinking in a way she deems acceptable.
Great book 1984. ::)
I have NOT threatened to call anyone!!
I just pointed out that you and others should think deeply about the offensive comments that have been made on the subject of trans people on a public forum. >:( >:( >:(
Why? :-\
Because on this issue it can cause very great distress to those already vulnerable and unsure about themselves, just like on any other social media site, with terrible consequences. But I have covered that before ;)
More Lizzie Logic.... ::)
So, on a 99.999% male forum filled with blokes who like blokey things and have blokey opinions we need to censor ourselves in case a passing trans person happens along and becomes outraged or offended.
It's that majority having to appease the minority thing again so beloved by leftie snowflakes.
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I love the way Lizzie talks about free speech but then threatens to call her friends in the police if I/we don't manage our thinking in a way she deems acceptable.
Great book 1984. ::)
I have NOT threatened to call anyone!!
I just pointed out that you and others should think deeply about the offensive comments that have been made on the subject of trans people on a public forum. >:( >:( >:(
Why mention your association with the police then, Lizzie.......and how it is your duty to keep them informed of evil bigots like me.... ::)
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I love the way Lizzie talks about free speech but then threatens to call her friends in the police if I/we don't manage our thinking in a way she deems acceptable.
Great book 1984. ::)
I have NOT threatened to call anyone!!
I just pointed out that you and others should think deeply about the offensive comments that have been made on the subject of trans people on a public forum. >:( >:( >:(
Why? :-\
Because on this issue it can cause very great distress to those already vulnerable and unsure about themselves, just like on any other social media site, with terrible consequences. But I have covered that before ;)
More Lizzie Logic.... ::)
So, on a 99.999% male forum filled with blokes who like blokey things and have blokey opinions we need to censor ourselves in case a passing trans person happens along and becomes outraged or offended.
It's that majority having to appease the minority thing again so beloved by leftie snowflakes.
Well you have already offended countrywoman, me and how many more on here, including guests, who you do not know about?
One very blokey member just in this thread has also pointed out the other side of your argument.
You are obsessed with the belief of "appease the minority thing again so beloved by leftie snowflakes"and not facing up to the real world - STOP PRESS Homosexuality is now legal -Women have the right to vote and occupy senior positions in life, having the right to be respected ::) ::) ::)
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I'm pretty certain that the Old bill wouldn't give a monkeys about OOF members comments , probably got a lot more serious issues to deal with.
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I love the way Lizzie talks about free speech but then threatens to call her friends in the police if I/we don't manage our thinking in a way she deems acceptable.
Great book 1984. ::)
I have NOT threatened to call anyone!!
I just pointed out that you and others should think deeply about the offensive comments that have been made on the subject of trans people on a public forum. >:( >:( >:(
Why mention your association with the police then, Lizzie.......and how it is your duty to keep them informed of evil bigots like me.... ::)
Because that is what I advise on, amoungst other things to do with crime and the general society, so I am fully signed up to help the police uphold the law, diversity being one string in my bow.
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God help us all. ;D
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GLWT :-X
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I'm pretty certain that the Old bill wouldn't give a monkeys about OOF members comments , probably got a lot more serious issues to deal with.
Very true, but when the comments badly affect others outside the OOF when they migrate to the general society, then the Hate Crime badge can be applied and I cannot stand by and say nothing to those on here as their friend, not their foe. I will always pursue a good debate but when it becomes offensive and possibly cause danger to others I will not keep quite.
As a fellow human being, when others are unfairly verbally attacked, we have a duty to stand up and be counted
All women have the right of greater protection in life and that includes trans women ;)
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God help us all. ;D
She is the female George Dixon. ;D
Lizzie, to disagree is fine. What you are trying to do is to control speech, thoughts, and opinions with your ridiculous veiled threats of 'police action' for those who don't conform to your views.
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What about misandry? Shouldn't that be on the list? ???
Poor Lord Opti is quite vulnerable you know! :'( ;D
Yes.....she is picking on me because I am elderly and vulnerable. I may need to call the police before she does... ;D ;D
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One persons offensive is another persons common sense.
Who gets to decide ? :)
Lizzie Zoom. She is our moral guardian much like that nice Mrs Whitehouse. ::)
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I'm pretty certain that the Old bill wouldn't give a monkeys about OOF members comments , probably got a lot more serious issues to deal with.
Very true, but when the comments badly affect others outside the OOF when they migrate to the general society, then the Hate Crime badge can be applied and I cannot stand by and say nothing to those on here as their friend, not their foe. I will always pursue a good debate but when it becomes offensive and possibly cause danger to others I will not keep quite.
As a fellow human being, when others are unfairly verbally attacked, we have a duty to stand up and be counted
All women have the right of greater protection in life and that includes trans women ;)
There you go again with this hate crime crap.
I also don't believe that transwomen are real women. Again, this is not a hate crime, merely an opinion that I share with millions.
You, Lizzie Zoom, are the last person to stand up for the oppressed because you are too busy trying to close down any opposition to your views. Again, opinion. I do hope this is allowed. ::)
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I'm pretty certain that the Old bill wouldn't give a monkeys about OOF members comments , probably got a lot more serious issues to deal with.
Very true, but when the comments badly affect others outside the OOF when they migrate to the general society, then the Hate Crime badge can be applied and I cannot stand by and say nothing to those on here as their friend, not their foe. I will always pursue a good debate but when it becomes offensive and possibly cause danger to others I will not keep quite.
As a fellow human being, when others are unfairly verbally attacked, we have a duty to stand up and be counted
All women have the right of greater protection in life and that includes trans women ;)
And just how would they 'migrate to the general society' ? You don't think some outraged gobshite would draw attention to it just to prove a point? Surely not ::)
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You can't call Lizzle an outraged gobshite :o
Oh wait, you just did... ;D
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I didn't. I was non specific. :)
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My bad... as you were then :y
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Didnt realise I had potentially started what could be one of OOF's longest threads. :-\
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It's a car forum for omega owners, the only reason somebody of that ilk would be on here is to look for something that they can be outraged about. Ring any bells?
Trans Skoda owner joins Omega forum for help.....Hmmm. Could it be Darth Lo Knee being a rascal? ::)
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I didn't. I was non specific. :)
I don't mind being specific.
Lizzie isn't the gobshite.
Opti is.
And he delights in it.
Which makes him a jerk too.
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
Are you saying Opti is thick? ::)
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Not at all. ;)
He used to be, but he grew out of it, after years of OOF education. ;D
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
This is very apt and true.
There is that slightly pious superiority to her posts as she tries to educate the OOF heathens. She gets frustrated when people dare to disagree and as you rightly say see's anybody who dares to disagree with her as an educated bigot. :)
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
Are you saying Opti is thick? ::)
I'm not as bright as you Skruntie, but then who is..... ;) ::) ::) ;)
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
Are you saying Opti is thick? ::)
I'm not as bright as you Skruntie, but then who is..... ;) ::) ::) ;)
Me, bright, yes, about the the power output of 2 candles. as you know I only read books because they have pictures in them. My Favourite was the Dandy Anual. ::)
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I didn't. I was non specific. :)
I don't mind being specific.
Lizzie isn't the gobshite.
Opti is.
And he delights in it.
Which makes him a jerk too.
Charming.... ;D ;D
You demonstrate the classic left wing intolerance to any idea or opinion that does not match your own. All brexiteers are thick ignorant neanderthals, right Nick. You've made it pretty clear this is your view.
Now, Nick, had you been a man I respect and admire I may have been upset by your comments.... ;D ;D ;D
But as you don't fall into this category I'm not in the least bit worried. :y
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
And don't we all know it :-X
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
Are you saying Opti is thick? ::)
I'm not as bright as you Skruntie, but then who is..... ;) ::) ::) ;)
Me, bright, yes, about the the power output of 2 candles. as you know I only read books because they have pictures in them. My Favourite was the Dandy Anual. ::)
But you are likeable... :-* :-* :-*
I was more of a Beano fan myself. :y
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Dennis the menace and Gnasher. :y
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Not at all. ;)
He used to be, but he grew out of it, after years of OOF education. ;D
I suppose people tend to become more conservative as they mature. I think Corbyn and the victim mentality of the left was the final straw.
I'm currently reading 'Blackout' by Candace Owens who I think has a bright future ahead of her. This woman is despised by the left. I don't see her as a right wing bigot, merely a woman who calls out the extreme left of the political spectrum and their woke agenda.
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
Are you saying Opti is thick? ::)
I'm not as bright as you Skruntie, but then who is..... ;) ::) ::) ;)
Me, bright, yes, about the the power output of 2 candles. as you know I only read books because they have pictures in them. My Favourite was the Dandy Anual. ::)
But you are likeable... :-* :-* :-*
I was more of a Beano fan myself. :y
Aww, someone actually likes e. I'm flattered.
After Dandy I used to love the Funny Half Hour comic, allways bought one to read in the deck chair on Mablethorpe beach. my brother bought the Viz mag for some giggles. :y
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Having a read back through this topic this morning I've got to say I'm amazed at how quickly things degenerated. I keep promising myself that I won't get involved in discussions about sexuality and religion and the like. But, when someone tells you that you can't do or say something that you probably had no intention of doing in the first place, it's like a red rag to a bull.
No one 'wins' in arguments like this, views are entrenched and will stay that way until a couple of generations die off.
As I said in an earlier topic, I usually don't bother getting involved in things that don't affect me day to day. I broke that rule badly yesterday and I apologise if my opinions seemed extreme.
Lesson learned, no more from me on these subjects again.
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Credit to you Uncle Stemo :y
I've given up on this debate too
2 sides to a coin and all that
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The term" two sides two a coin" has very definite connotations, suggesting only two possibilities rather than many and varied possibilities, and thus qualifies as a hate crime. :P ;D
Sorry, couldnt resist. ::)
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the side with "tails" and the other side .... without "tails" ;)
I rest my case ;D
and stop trying to drag this thread out any longer
it keeps appearing on my unread topics list :D
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I lost interest once the Police were mentioned, hate to see our overwhelmed Police dealing with ridiculous incidents.
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
Oh do not worry I am an expert in this field going way beyond reading a few books!! I know most of what there is to no currently about transgender issues, with 62 years experience. So all that I have explained in detail, beyond one line snips of others, has been learnt in depth, way beyond others knowledge of the subject. So why should I not TRY and explain the FACTS of this subject, like many on here, who have vast knowledge of other disciplines, have the right to detail out their in depth understandings?
Yes, when I have something I believe is important to say I will be passionate about saying it. In business I was nicknamed "The Terrier" as I hounded down the truth, the facts, ready for police, disciplinary, or both action with a large number of criminals caught. Two got over 10 years imprisonment, and about 50 others simply were sacked, including middle managers.
I do nothing in halves, but always the full on approach to obtain my objectives. On this thread I have now done all I can to support the transgendered community which daily faces the ignorance displayed on here. Countrywoman, Nick W (thank you for your support Nick!! :-* :-*) , and me along with the silent 'others' "get it", but for the rest your ignorance I will have to live with. I know that. It will be not until the older generation of today have died off will the ingrained prejudices give way the new enlightenment. At the moment it is like Galileo explaining the Earth orbits the sun, not as the majority of that day believed that the Sun orbited the Earth!
What is wrong in being passionate MigV6? It is over 10 years that I have contributed on the OOF; 13 years is more like it! Is it because as one of the only women on here the majority who are men, like you, do not like being challenged? That your view is always right? How dare I challenge that, eh?
So I will reserve the right to enter into discussions and submit the facts I know, especially when others have blatantly insulted and degraded other human beings intimate feelings that affects their health and future being. On this thread this attack was started by others, so excuse me please if I use my right to argue to the contrary.
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Having a read back through this topic this morning I've got to say I'm amazed at how quickly things degenerated. I keep promising myself that I won't get involved in discussions about sexuality and religion and the like. But, when someone tells you that you can't do or say something that you probably had no intention of doing in the first place, it's like a red rag to a bull.
No one 'wins' in arguments like this, views are entrenched and will stay that way until a couple of generations die off.
As I said in an earlier topic, I usually don't bother getting involved in things that don't affect me day to day. I broke that rule badly yesterday and I apologise if my opinions seemed extreme.
Lesson learned, no more from me on these subjects again.
Yep, fully agree Steve! Read my last post before this one ;)
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
Oh do not worry I am an expert in this field going way beyond reading a few books!! I know most of what there is to no currently about transgender issues, with 62 years experience. So all that I have explained in detail, beyond one line snips of others, has been learnt in depth, way beyond others knowledge of the subject. So why should I not TRY and explain the FACTS of this subject, like many on here, who have vast knowledge of other disciplines, have the right to detail out their in depth understandings?
Yes, when I have something I believe is important to say I will be passionate about saying it. In business I was nicknamed "The Terrier" as I hounded down the truth, the facts, ready for police, disciplinary, or both action with a large number of criminals caught. Two got over 10 years imprisonment, and about 50 others simply were sacked, including middle managers.
I do nothing in halves, but always the full on approach to obtain my objectives. On this thread I have now done all I can to support the transgendered community which daily faces the ignorance displayed on here. Countrywoman, Nick W (thank you for your support Nick!! :-* :-*) , and me along with the silent 'others' "get it", but for the rest your ignorance I will have to live with. I know that. It will be not until the older generation of today have died off will the ingrained prejudices give way the new enlightenment. At the moment it is like Galileo explaining the Earth orbits the sun, not as the majority of that day believed that the Sun orbited the Earth!
What is wrong in being passionate MigV6? It is over 10 years that I have contributed on the OOF; 13 years is more like it! Is it because as one of the only women on here the majority who are men, like you, do not like being challenged? That your view is always right? How dare I challenge that, eh?
So I will reserve the right to enter into discussions and submit the facts I know, especially when others have blatantly insulted and degraded other human beings intimate feelings that affects their health and future being. On this thread this attack was started by others, so excuse me please if I use my right to argue to the contrary.
I stopped reading right there. Because, therein lies the problem that you just wont see. ::)
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I didn't. I was non specific. :)
I don't mind being specific.
Lizzie isn't the gobshite.
Opti is.
And he delights in it.
Which makes him a jerk too.
Thank you Nick for your support :-* :-* :y :y :y
I need that!! ;D ;D ;D ;)
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But woe betide anyone else who does the same :-X
As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
Oh do not worry I am an expert in this field going way beyond reading a few books!! I know most of what there is to no currently about transgender issues, with 62 years experience. So all that I have explained in detail, beyond one line snips of others, has been learnt in depth, way beyond others knowledge of the subject. So why should I not TRY and explain the FACTS of this subject, like many on here, who have vast knowledge of other disciplines, have the right to detail out their in depth understandings?
Yes, when I have something I believe is important to say I will be passionate about saying it. In business I was nicknamed "The Terrier" as I hounded down the truth, the facts, ready for police, disciplinary, or both action with a large number of criminals caught. Two got over 10 years imprisonment, and about 50 others simply were sacked, including middle managers.
I do nothing in halves, but always the full on approach to obtain my objectives. On this thread I have now done all I can to support the transgendered community which daily faces the ignorance displayed on here. Countrywoman, Nick W (thank you for your support Nick!! :-* :-*) , and me along with the silent 'others' "get it", but for the rest your ignorance I will have to live with. I know that. It will be not until the older generation of today have died off will the ingrained prejudices give way the new enlightenment. At the moment it is like Galileo explaining the Earth orbits the sun, not as the majority of that day believed that the Sun orbited the Earth!
What is wrong in being passionate MigV6? It is over 10 years that I have contributed on the OOF; 13 years is more like it! Is it because as one of the only women on here the majority who are men, like you, do not like being challenged? That your view is always right? How dare I challenge that, eh?
So I will reserve the right to enter into discussions and submit the facts I know, especially when others have blatantly insulted and degraded other human beings intimate feelings that affects their health and future being. On this thread this attack was started by others, so excuse me please if I use my right to argue to the contrary.
I stopped reading right there. Because, therein lies the problem that you just wont see. ::)
No, explain please! ::) ::)
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But woe betide anyone else who does the same :-X
As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?
Direct experience ;)
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Then perhaps it's time you spoke for yourself rather than hiding behind what other people might feel/think :y
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But woe betide anyone else who does the same :-X
As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?
Direct experience ;)
I believe Lizzie is around 65/66/67/68 years old.
62 years of experience is impressive to say the least. :)
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But woe betide anyone else who does the same :-X
As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?
Direct experience ;)
Now that has been made clear, let's start talking first person instead of third person. Some good may have come of this thread after all.
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
Oh do not worry I am an expert in this field going way beyond reading a few books!! I know most of what there is to no currently about transgender issues, with 62 years experience. So all that I have explained in detail, beyond one line snips of others, has been learnt in depth, way beyond others knowledge of the subject. So why should I not TRY and explain the FACTS of this subject, like many on here, who have vast knowledge of other disciplines, have the right to detail out their in depth understandings?
Yes, when I have something I believe is important to say I will be passionate about saying it. In business I was nicknamed "The Terrier" as I hounded down the truth, the facts, ready for police, disciplinary, or both action with a large number of criminals caught. Two got over 10 years imprisonment, and about 50 others simply were sacked, including middle managers.
I do nothing in halves, but always the full on approach to obtain my objectives. On this thread I have now done all I can to support the transgendered community which daily faces the ignorance displayed on here. Countrywoman, Nick W (thank you for your support Nick!! :-* :-*) , and me along with the silent 'others' "get it", but for the rest your ignorance I will have to live with. I know that. It will be not until the older generation of today have died off will the ingrained prejudices give way the new enlightenment. At the moment it is like Galileo explaining the Earth orbits the sun, not as the majority of that day believed that the Sun orbited the Earth!
What is wrong in being passionate MigV6? It is over 10 years that I have contributed on the OOF; 13 years is more like it! Is it because as one of the only women on here the majority who are men, like you, do not like being challenged? That your view is always right? How dare I challenge that, eh?
So I will reserve the right to enter into discussions and submit the facts I know, especially when others have blatantly insulted and degraded other human beings intimate feelings that affects their health and future being. On this thread this attack was started by others, so excuse me please if I use my right to argue to the contrary.
Oh, lizzie......I have an image of you standing on a mountain top dressed in a long white flowing robe with a glowing halo above your head as you lecture the ignorant peasants on how they should think. :D ;D ;D
So biblical.....so patronising.
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Anyway.....F1 starts today. I have a passing interest, and I think it is a shame young Russell has not replaced Bottas.
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On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. :)
Oh do not worry I am an expert in this field going way beyond reading a few books!! I know most of what there is to no currently about transgender issues, with 62 years experience. So all that I have explained in detail, beyond one line snips of others, has been learnt in depth, way beyond others knowledge of the subject. So why should I not TRY and explain the FACTS of this subject, like many on here, who have vast knowledge of other disciplines, have the right to detail out their in depth understandings?
Yes, when I have something I believe is important to say I will be passionate about saying it. In business I was nicknamed "The Terrier" as I hounded down the truth, the facts, ready for police, disciplinary, or both action with a large number of criminals caught. Two got over 10 years imprisonment, and about 50 others simply were sacked, including middle managers.
I do nothing in halves, but always the full on approach to obtain my objectives. On this thread I have now done all I can to support the transgendered community which daily faces the ignorance displayed on here. Countrywoman, Nick W (thank you for your support Nick!! :-* :-*) , and me along with the silent 'others' "get it", but for the rest your ignorance I will have to live with. I know that. It will be not until the older generation of today have died off will the ingrained prejudices give way the new enlightenment. At the moment it is like Galileo explaining the Earth orbits the sun, not as the majority of that day believed that the Sun orbited the Earth!
What is wrong in being passionate MigV6? It is over 10 years that I have contributed on the OOF; 13 years is more like it! Is it because as one of the only women on here the majority who are men, like you, do not like being challenged? That your view is always right? How dare I challenge that, eh?
So I will reserve the right to enter into discussions and submit the facts I know, especially when others have blatantly insulted and degraded other human beings intimate feelings that affects their health and future being. On this thread this attack was started by others, so excuse me please if I use my right to argue to the contrary.
Oh, lizzie......I have an image of you standing on a mountain top dressed in a long white flowing robe with a glowing halo above your head as you lecture the ignorant peasants on how they should think. :D ;D ;D
So biblical.....so patronising.
I will say no more on this thread but please accept that sometimes the other person has very real specialist and personal knowledge on the subject you are do dismissive of.
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But woe betide anyone else who does the same :-X
As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?
Direct experience ;)
Now that has been made clear, let's start talking first person instead of third person. Some good may have come of this thread after all.
I have been all along Steve, and that is why I know so much on this subject and have felt the personal and collective insult dished out ;)
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But woe betide anyone else who does the same :-X
As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?
Direct experience ;)
Now that has been made clear, let's start talking first person instead of third person. Some good may have come of this thread after all.
I have been all along Steve, and that is why I know so much on this subject and have felt the personal and collective insult dished out ;)
You just said that you'd say no more......