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[Nick W]

The son's girlfriend is coming to stay for a while over Easter, she is a vegan. I will place her vegan meal on the dinner table and sit opposite, eating my fish or steak. If that offends her sensibilities, tough. I will accept the fact that she's a vegan and she'll have to accept the fact that I'm not.
That's how it works for me with all people, including the ones mentioned above. You carry on being gender neutral or whatever floats your boat today, I'll carry on being normal. 

Not allowed to use the word normal any more, I'm afraid. It is considered offensive to the 1%.

nor·mal  (nôr′məl)
adj.
1. Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.
2. Biology Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies

Yes.....but this simple unassuming word is enough to  'trigger' a total meltdown for those of ambiguous gender.

The shampoo people know this and have rightly banned all use of the word with regard to hair.

You're making such a fuss about this I wonder if there's something you're otherwise incapable of telling us....

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The son's girlfriend is coming to stay for a while over Easter, she is a vegan. I will place her vegan meal on the dinner table and sit opposite, eating my fish or steak. If that offends her sensibilities, tough. I will accept the fact that she's a vegan and she'll have to accept the fact that I'm not.
That's how it works for me with all people, including the ones mentioned above. You carry on being gender neutral or whatever floats your boat today, I'll carry on being normal. 

Not allowed to use the word normal any more, I'm afraid. It is considered offensive to the 1%.

nor·mal  (nôr′məl)
adj.
1. Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.
2. Biology Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies

Yes.....but this simple unassuming word is enough to  'trigger' a total meltdown for those of ambiguous gender.

The shampoo people know this and have rightly banned all use of the word with regard to hair.

You're making such a fuss about this I wonder if there's something you're otherwise incapable of telling us....

Okay....I'll admit it. I'm as bent as a nine bob bit.

I've 'manfully' tried to cover it up by only having sex with women for the last 30 years (and more).

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Thanks Lizzy Zoom for making the point and yes my gender does not match my birth certificate , the reason for letting them know is that Gender services are woefully under funded so if they can see the % it may improve.

Yes, there are many trans men and women who have yet to be officially identified and have obtained their true status under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, so the Census should reveal an up to date picture.  The government should already know though the number of people that have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate.

What it will not show is the number of children who already identify as the opposite gender.

It is an extremely interesting very serious field of scientific study and requires far more support than it does to avoid many lives being terminated far too early.

Dangerous.

Kids before puberty are too young to make and understand such a decision. Teenagers are impressionable and change like the wind. Nobody should consider a change of gender before age 18, and adults (often with their own agenda) should not indoctrinate naturally confused teens.

Let them grow up first so they can make an informed adult decision.

No. Because once puberty takes place changes of the body cannot be reversed. So, if a child UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION is correctly identified as possibly having the transgender condition then puberty blockers should be used.  If this ‘window’ is missed it will give the future trans adult tremendous problems to overcome and could well lead to Great Depression and suicidal tendencies.

Most trans children identify themselves very early in life.

Nope.....small children have no interest or understanding of 'gender choice' They are just busy being kids. Unless of course the subject is regularly mentioned and strong opinions put forward by their parents. Kids like to please their parents so.......

No four or five year old decides to change gender. It is their dysfunctional parents who 'suggest' and indoctrinate their kids and 'suggest' they may be in the wrong body.

A small child deciding he/she wants to change  gender is like  the family mutt taking the decision to become vegetarian.

Sorry Opti but you are posting with no knowledge of this subject and obviously do not know the in and outs of gender identity in children at an early age.  This is a well established fact in the professional circles of those that study this, including me with much personal experience in this field.

The child does not consciously decide to "change gender", as naturally they identify as the gender they feel comfortable in which becomes ever apparent with the short passing of time.

To compare this very serious condition with " the family mutt taking the decision to become vegetarian" just displays your lack of knowledge or understanding of those that go through the great pain this process involves.  Once people thought being gay was a matter of choice, but now thank goodness society has learnt this is not true, and will eventually develop it's understanding of being transgender.

Yes it is serious, Lizzie. Changing gender as not the same as changing your hairstyle or changing your dress. With children this may well involve the use of puberty blockers, which may have a drastic effect on both physical and emotional welfare when given to those who are too young to consent. Then, there is the invasive surgery if the person is still not happy......and then.

Have you seen the suicide rate for people following gender reassignment?

The best figure I can find is that it is 20 times that of the public in general.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Okay....I'll admit it. I'm as bent as a nine bob bit.

I've 'manfully' tried to cover it up by only having sex with women for the last 30 years (and more).

So you didn't lose your virginity until you were in your thirties?       

As long as you have had fun making up for lost time M'lud! 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Yes Opti the suicide rates in trans people is higher than for the rest of the population vs. The number involved, but that is because of the attitude of the general public as witnessed by some in this thread. Ignorance and plain arrogance that means joe public cannot accept that nature does throw up differences in people means that a trans person is frequently rudely challenged, insulted, laughed at, and even assaulted just because they are “different” . This is all because it is beyond the intelligence of so many to understand that this is a very real, VERY SERIOUS challenge for those involved. It is no joke and young and older trans individuals alike have to deal with opposition even within their own families let alone in the general population. Anyone of them reading this thread, and others on this Forum, could well be hastened along the suicide route and that is why I am taking time to challenge what is being crudely discussed and warn your very words could have consequences.

The whole transitioning process is long and ardeous that no one takes on lightly unless they are very genuine about their Gender Dysphoria. It is painful emotionally then physically and as a process can be very frustrating, upsetting, being very lengthy seemingly without end for those trans individuals.  It is not “ a load of shit” as some suggest, but very real and thank goodness has been increasingly recognised as a serious genuine human condition since the 1960’s.

For a report from a serious scientifically source read this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/

The rates of suicide are high as I have stated, but thank God not as high as you quoted from a completely biased, anti trans, source.

[Doctor Gollum]

That's right, blame everyone else.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU

This 4 year old boy, after careful consideration and endless months of mature introspection and soul-searching, has decided he no longer wants to be a boy and now wants to identify as a girl.

He came to this conclusion 100% unaided, with absolutely no parental influence or manipulation involved

It's strange how some (not all) lesbian parents, women  who often have a low opinion of men, give birth to boys who want to become girls.

I wonder how many '2 mums' families are willing to help their 4 year old daughter become a boy who wants to grow up to be a cage fighter?

Adults can decide what they like. Kids do not have the capacity to do so.

[Lizzie Zoom]

https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU

This 4 year old boy, after careful consideration and endless months of mature introspection and soul-searching, has decided he no longer wants to be a boy and now wants to identify as a girl.

He came to this conclusion 100% unaided, with absolutely no parental influence or manipulation involved

It's strange how some (not all) lesbian parents, women  who often have a low opinion of men, give birth to boys who want to become girls.

I wonder how many '2 mums' families are willing to help their 4 year old daughter become a boy who wants to grow up to be a cage fighter?

Adults can decide what they like. Kids do not have the capacity to do so.

Many trans people first feel they are in the wrong body and identify as the opposite gender from such an early age.  In my experience the many trans people I have met started with those feelings and when older went on to transition, which as I have explained is not a easy process by any means with many challenges. But as I have already stated it does require medical and psychiatric supervision.

The parents have not much to do about it and are often very shocked by their child's "expressions".  In the modern age the professional advice is available for them to seek to help them understand the condition and give their child the correct support.  In past decades this help was not readily available so many suffered terribly from the mutual ignorance surrounding what we now know is Gender Dysphoria, with them never finding their true identity.  This can be so different in the current age once the taboo of the condition can be overcome society. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU

This 4 year old boy, after careful consideration and endless months of mature introspection and soul-searching, has decided he no longer wants to be a boy and now wants to identify as a girl.

He came to this conclusion 100% unaided, with absolutely no parental influence or manipulation involved

It's strange how some (not all) lesbian parents, women  who often have a low opinion of men, give birth to boys who want to become girls.

I wonder how many '2 mums' families are willing to help their 4 year old daughter become a boy who wants to grow up to be a cage fighter?

Adults can decide what they like. Kids do not have the capacity to do so.

Many trans people first feel they are in the wrong body and identify as the opposite gender from such an early age.  In my experience the many trans people I have met started with those feelings and when older went on to transition, which as I have explained is not a easy process by any means with many challenges. But as I have already stated it does require medical and psychiatric supervision.

The parents have not much to do about it and are often very shocked by their child's "expressions".  In the modern age the professional advice is available for them to seek to help them understand the condition and give their child the correct support.  In past decades this help was not readily available so many suffered terribly from the mutual ignorance surrounding what we now know is Gender Dysphoria, with them never finding their true identity.  This can be so different in the current age once the taboo of the condition can be overcome society.

At 4 years of age Lizzie......come on.

This 'coming out gender change party' was organised by the parents. It is for them and not the kid. The kid is simply acting out a script written by his parents. It is quite obvious he would rather be somewhere else.

Incidentally, his sister named Lotus (age about 5) at the start of the video, also looks suspiciously like a biological boy.

The whole setting of the 'ceremony' is odd and dysfunctional. Some sort of cult environment perhaps.

[Rangie]

The world has gone totally mad.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The world has gone totally mad.

It has.

He won't thank his parents when he is old enough to understand and make his own choices. He'll probably be  angry disturbed and conflicted.

[Lizzie Zoom]

https://youtu.be/TxKAI3gIVRU

This 4 year old boy, after careful consideration and endless months of mature introspection and soul-searching, has decided he no longer wants to be a boy and now wants to identify as a girl.

He came to this conclusion 100% unaided, with absolutely no parental influence or manipulation involved

It's strange how some (not all) lesbian parents, women  who often have a low opinion of men, give birth to boys who want to become girls.

I wonder how many '2 mums' families are willing to help their 4 year old daughter become a boy who wants to grow up to be a cage fighter?

Adults can decide what they like. Kids do not have the capacity to do so.

Many trans people first feel they are in the wrong body and identify as the opposite gender from such an early age.  In my experience the many trans people I have met started with those feelings and when older went on to transition, which as I have explained is not a easy process by any means with many challenges. But as I have already stated it does require medical and psychiatric supervision.

The parents have not much to do about it and are often very shocked by their child's "expressions".  In the modern age the professional advice is available for them to seek to help them understand the condition and give their child the correct support.  In past decades this help was not readily available so many suffered terribly from the mutual ignorance surrounding what we now know is Gender Dysphoria, with them never finding their true identity.  This can be so different in the current age once the taboo of the condition can be overcome society.

At 4 years of age Lizzie......come on. :-*

This 'coming out gender change party' was organised by the parents. It is for them and not the kid. The kid is simply acting out a script written by his parents. It is quite obvious he would rather be somewhere else.

Incidentally, his sister named Lotus (age about 5) at the start of the video, also looks suspiciously like a biological boy.

The whole setting of the 'ceremony' is odd and dysfunctional. Some sort of cult environment perhaps.

As I have being trying to explain Opti, Gender Dysphoria can START to show from about that age but will take a lot longer to really show to it's full extent. I repeat, this should only happen only medical and psychological supervision.

There are a large number of NHS and private Gender Dysphoria Clinics across the country available for those that require assistance in regards to this condition, but the GP is the starting point.

Just because you cannot understand it and it does not conform to your cosy old world view does not, by any measure, mean it does all not exist and is VERY real for those with Gender Dysphoria.

[Lizzie Zoom]

The world has gone totally mad.

It has.

He won't thank his parents when he is old enough to understand and make his own choices. He'll probably be  angry disturbed and conflicted.

...................and to further reiterate............................that will not happen if the correct path of GP, medical, psychological, and Gender Idenity Clinic input is taken.

[STEMO]

The world has gone totally mad.

It has.

He won't thank his parents when he is old enough to understand and make his own choices. He'll probably be  angry disturbed and conflicted.

...................and to further reiterate............................that will not happen if the correct path of GP, medical, psychological, and Gender Idenity Clinic input is taken.

Yep, brainwash him into thinking it was his choice.

[STEMO]

I think the Chinese are doing similar to the Uighars, making them very happy with their choice of lifestyle.