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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Dennis the menace and Gnasher.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Not at all. 
He used to be, but he grew out of it, after years of OOF education. 

I suppose people tend to become more conservative as they mature. I think Corbyn and the victim mentality of the left was the final straw.

I'm currently reading 'Blackout' by Candace Owens who I think has a bright future ahead of her. This woman is despised by the left. I don't see her as a right wing bigot, merely a woman who calls out the extreme left of the political spectrum and their woke agenda.

[Mr Skrunts]

On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. 

Are you saying Opti is thick?

I'm not as bright as you Skruntie, but then who is.....

Me, bright, yes, about the the power output of 2 candles.  as you know I only read books because they have pictures in them.  My Favourite was the Dandy Anual.

But you are likeable...

I was more of a Beano fan myself.

Aww, someone actually likes e.  I'm flattered.

After Dandy I used to love the Funny Half Hour comic, allways bought one to read in the deck chair on Mablethorpe beach.  my brother bought the Viz mag for some giggles.

[STEMO]

Having a read back through this topic this morning I've got to say I'm amazed at how quickly things degenerated. I keep promising myself that I won't get involved in discussions about sexuality and religion and the like. But, when someone tells you that you can't do or say something that you probably had no intention of doing in the first place, it's like a red rag to a bull.
No one 'wins' in arguments like this, views are entrenched and will stay that way until a couple of generations die off.
As I said in an earlier topic, I usually don't bother getting involved in things that don't affect me day to day. I broke that rule badly yesterday and I apologise if my opinions seemed extreme.
Lesson learned, no more from me on these subjects again.

[dave the builder]

Credit to you Uncle Stemo   
I've given up on this debate too
2 sides to a coin and all that

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The term" two sides two a coin" has very definite connotations, suggesting only two possibilities rather than many and varied possibilities, and thus qualifies as a hate crime. 

Sorry, couldnt resist. 

[dave the builder]

the side with "tails" and the other side .... without "tails"

I rest my case 

and stop trying to drag this thread out any longer
it keeps appearing on my unread topics list 

[Rangie]

I lost interest once the Police were mentioned, hate to see our overwhelmed Police dealing with ridiculous incidents.

[Lizzie Zoom]

On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. 

Oh do not worry I am an expert in this field going way beyond reading a few books!!  I know most of what there is to no currently about transgender issues, with 62 years experience.  So all that I have explained in detail, beyond one line snips of others, has been learnt in depth, way beyond others knowledge of the subject.  So why should I not TRY and explain the FACTS of this subject, like many on here, who have vast knowledge of other disciplines, have the right to detail out their in depth understandings?

Yes, when I have something I believe is important to say I will be passionate about saying it. In business I was nicknamed "The Terrier"  as I hounded down the truth, the facts, ready for police, disciplinary, or both action with a large number of criminals caught.  Two got over 10 years imprisonment, and about 50 others simply were sacked, including middle managers.

I do nothing in halves, but always the full on approach to obtain my objectives.  On this thread I have now done all I can to support the transgendered community which daily faces the ignorance displayed on here.  Countrywoman, Nick W  (thank you for your support Nick!! ) , and me along with the silent 'others' "get it", but for the rest your ignorance I will have to live with.  I know that. It will be not until the older generation of today have died off will the ingrained prejudices give way the new enlightenment.  At the moment it is like Galileo explaining the Earth orbits the sun, not as the majority of that day believed that the Sun orbited the Earth!

What is wrong in being passionate MigV6?  It is over 10 years that I have contributed on the OOF; 13 years is more like it!  Is it because as one of the only women on here the majority who are men, like you, do not like being challenged?  That your view is always right?  How dare I challenge that, eh?

So I will reserve the right to enter into discussions and submit the facts I know, especially when others have blatantly insulted and degraded other human beings intimate feelings that affects their health and future being.  On this thread this attack was started by others, so excuse me please if I use my right to argue to the contrary.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Having a read back through this topic this morning I've got to say I'm amazed at how quickly things degenerated. I keep promising myself that I won't get involved in discussions about sexuality and religion and the like. But, when someone tells you that you can't do or say something that you probably had no intention of doing in the first place, it's like a red rag to a bull.
No one 'wins' in arguments like this, views are entrenched and will stay that way until a couple of generations die off.
As I said in an earlier topic, I usually don't bother getting involved in things that don't affect me day to day. I broke that rule badly yesterday and I apologise if my opinions seemed extreme.
Lesson learned, no more from me on these subjects again.

Yep, fully agree Steve!  Read my last post before this one

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. 

Oh do not worry I am an expert in this field going way beyond reading a few books!!  I know most of what there is to no currently about transgender issues, with 62 years experience.  So all that I have explained in detail, beyond one line snips of others, has been learnt in depth, way beyond others knowledge of the subject.  So why should I not TRY and explain the FACTS of this subject, like many on here, who have vast knowledge of other disciplines, have the right to detail out their in depth understandings?

Yes, when I have something I believe is important to say I will be passionate about saying it. In business I was nicknamed "The Terrier"  as I hounded down the truth, the facts, ready for police, disciplinary, or both action with a large number of criminals caught.  Two got over 10 years imprisonment, and about 50 others simply were sacked, including middle managers.

I do nothing in halves, but always the full on approach to obtain my objectives.  On this thread I have now done all I can to support the transgendered community which daily faces the ignorance displayed on here.  Countrywoman, Nick W  (thank you for your support Nick!! ) , and me along with the silent 'others' "get it", but for the rest your ignorance I will have to live with.  I know that. It will be not until the older generation of today have died off will the ingrained prejudices give way the new enlightenment.  At the moment it is like Galileo explaining the Earth orbits the sun, not as the majority of that day believed that the Sun orbited the Earth!

What is wrong in being passionate MigV6?  It is over 10 years that I have contributed on the OOF; 13 years is more like it!  Is it because as one of the only women on here the majority who are men, like you, do not like being challenged?  That your view is always right?  How dare I challenge that, eh?

So I will reserve the right to enter into discussions and submit the facts I know, especially when others have blatantly insulted and degraded other human beings intimate feelings that affects their health and future being.  On this thread this attack was started by others, so excuse me please if I use my right to argue to the contrary.

I stopped reading right there. Because, therein lies the problem that you just wont see. 

[Lizzie Zoom]

I didn't. I was non specific. 

I don't mind being specific.


Lizzie isn't the gobshite.


Opti is.
And he delights in it.


Which makes him a jerk too.

Thank you Nick for your support

I need that!!

[Doctor Gollum]

But woe betide anyone else who does the same

As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?

[Lizzie Zoom]

On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. 

Oh do not worry I am an expert in this field going way beyond reading a few books!!  I know most of what there is to no currently about transgender issues, with 62 years experience.  So all that I have explained in detail, beyond one line snips of others, has been learnt in depth, way beyond others knowledge of the subject.  So why should I not TRY and explain the FACTS of this subject, like many on here, who have vast knowledge of other disciplines, have the right to detail out their in depth understandings?

Yes, when I have something I believe is important to say I will be passionate about saying it. In business I was nicknamed "The Terrier"  as I hounded down the truth, the facts, ready for police, disciplinary, or both action with a large number of criminals caught.  Two got over 10 years imprisonment, and about 50 others simply were sacked, including middle managers.

I do nothing in halves, but always the full on approach to obtain my objectives.  On this thread I have now done all I can to support the transgendered community which daily faces the ignorance displayed on here.  Countrywoman, Nick W  (thank you for your support Nick!! ) , and me along with the silent 'others' "get it", but for the rest your ignorance I will have to live with.  I know that. It will be not until the older generation of today have died off will the ingrained prejudices give way the new enlightenment.  At the moment it is like Galileo explaining the Earth orbits the sun, not as the majority of that day believed that the Sun orbited the Earth!

What is wrong in being passionate MigV6?  It is over 10 years that I have contributed on the OOF; 13 years is more like it!  Is it because as one of the only women on here the majority who are men, like you, do not like being challenged?  That your view is always right?  How dare I challenge that, eh?

So I will reserve the right to enter into discussions and submit the facts I know, especially when others have blatantly insulted and degraded other human beings intimate feelings that affects their health and future being.  On this thread this attack was started by others, so excuse me please if I use my right to argue to the contrary.

I stopped reading right there. Because, therein lies the problem that you just wont see.

No, explain please!

[Lizzie Zoom]

But woe betide anyone else who does the same

As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?

Direct experience