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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 14 February 2025, 17:32:47
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Is it going to work?
Got to admire Trump getting on with ( trying) to end the war. Not sure letting Russia back onto the world stage eg G8 is so clever. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
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It need a missile on the White House when the 2 nazi idiots are there or when he is on the golf course.
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Consider this.
If the US hadn't gone so far in the previous direction, the likes of Trump would never have been in the running, let alone elected.
As JD Vance said in Munich yesterday, there's a new sheriff in town and he knows what he wants to get done, so if you're not sat at the table then you're on the menu.
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Is it going to work?
Got to admire Trump getting on with ( trying) to end the war. Not sure letting Russia back onto the world stage eg G8 is so clever. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
Russia is not my enemy. Try looking at No 10 and Brussels for the real ones.
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Ah yes , they invaded Ukraine, annexed Crimea.
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Ah yes , they invaded Ukraine, annexed Crimea.
Not in as many words, but they are literally paying for the consequences... with our money.
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Ah yes , they invaded Ukraine, annexed Crimea.
Justifiably so.
Putin looks after his own (Russian-speaking people), about 14,000 of whom had been murdered by the despicable Kiev regime.
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A drop in the ocean compared to the number of Russians killed by their own regime. 10 million? 20 million.
Anyway back on topic. Will there be a peace deal and will it stick?
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A drop in the ocean compared to the number of Russians killed by their own regime. 10 million? 20 million.
...Huh?
And how many Soviets died standing up to Hitler's army?
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Ah yes , they invaded Ukraine, annexed Crimea.
Vlad is an 'old school' soviet and will argue these were part of the USSR. :)
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Ah yes , they invaded Ukraine, annexed Crimea.
Vlad is an 'old school' soviet and will argue these were part of the USSR. :)
They were. Besides which, the Minsk and Istanbul (both allowing the DPR and LPR to remain as part of Ukraine} peace plans were agreed by Russia, but scuppered by Merkel, Hollande and Boris Johnson. Also, Putin had originally requested to join NATO – hardly 'old school' Soviet.
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Understanding the Ukraine conflict.
https://youtu.be/RiK6DijNLGE?si=lsWeMHCfiaScj9uC (https://youtu.be/RiK6DijNLGE?si=lsWeMHCfiaScj9uC)
The real truth from Jeffrey Sachs. :y
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Understanding the Ukraine conflict.
https://youtu.be/RiK6DijNLGE?si=lsWeMHCfiaScj9uC (https://youtu.be/RiK6DijNLGE?si=lsWeMHCfiaScj9uC)
The real truth, according to Jeffrey Sachs. :y
Fixed :)
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Sachs is very well connected.
Try watching the video (though it might mean some eye-opening for you), then come back and argue.
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Sachs is very well connected.
Try watching the video (though it might mean some eye-opening for you), then come back and argue.
I haven't commented on thread, apart from correcting your assertion, and neither will I.
You, like everyone else, have no clue about what will happen in Ukraine, and will find out when you read it in the news.
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Sachs is very well connected.
Try watching the video (though it might mean some eye-opening for you), then come back and argue.
I haven't commented on thread, apart from correcting your assertion, and neither will I.
You, like everyone else, have no clue about what will happen in Ukraine, and will find out when you read it in the news.
My assertion didn't need correcting. I know you won't listen to Sachs. You'll wait for others (like the BBC) to give their version.
Sometimes, I despair. ::) ::)
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Sachs is very well connected.
Try watching the video (though it might mean some eye-opening for you), then come back and argue.
I haven't commented on thread, apart from correcting your assertion, and neither will I.
You, like everyone else, have no clue about what will happen in Ukraine, and will find out when you read it in the news.
My assertion didn't need correcting. I know you won't listen to Sachs. You'll wait for others (like the BBC) to give their version.
Sometimes, I despair. ::) ::)
What makes some nobody on Youtube more believable that the main media? (not withstanding we all know that most media has their own agenda).
If I posted something about Ukraine/Russia on Youtube, would that make it automatically correct?
Like most conflicts, some element of blame can be leveraged at either side, but invariably one side is a fair bit more to blame than the other. Be that the Middle East, Cyprus, Africa, or the former USSR. Virtually the whole world aside from China and the Norks agree that Putin has overstepped the mark, and governments around the world have access to far more intelligence that you, me, or some knobjockey making money on Youtube. A fantastic opportunity for YouTubers to make good money saying something controversial ;)
And like STEMO, I am purposely staying out of commenting my own personal views on this thread, only highlighting inaccuracies.
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Sachs is very well connected.
Try watching the video (though it might mean some eye-opening for you), then come back and argue.
I haven't commented on thread, apart from correcting your assertion, and neither will I.
You, like everyone else, have no clue about what will happen in Ukraine, and will find out when you read it in the news.
My assertion didn't need correcting. I know you won't listen to Sachs. You'll wait for others (like the BBC) to give their version.
Sometimes, I despair. ::) ::)
Despair away. That's of no interest to me or anyone else.
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What makes some nobody on Youtube more believable that the main media? (not withstanding we all know that most media has their own agenda).
Jeffrey David Sachs is an American economist and public policy analyst who is a professor at Columbia University. From 2001-18, Sachs served as Special Advisor to UN Secretaries-General Kofi Annan (2001-7), Ban Ki-moon (2008-16), and António Guterres (2017-18). He was twice named among Time magazine’s 100 most influential world leaders. Sachs has received 42 honorary doctorates, and his recent awards include the 2022 Tang Prize in Sustainable Development, the Legion of Honor by decree of the President of the Republic of France, and the Order of the Cross from the President of Estonia. He has advised more than 100 governments around the world.
Yeah, just a nobody. ::)
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So he knows everything there is to know about the history of the conflict in Ukraine. How does that help and why would I be interested?
Is he in a position to stop the fighting, which is all most people are interested in?
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Sachs is very well connected.
Try watching the video (though it might mean some eye-opening for you), then come back and argue.
I haven't commented on thread, apart from correcting your assertion, and neither will I.
You, like everyone else, have no clue about what will happen in Ukraine, and will find out when you read it in the news.
My assertion didn't need correcting. I know you won't listen to Sachs. You'll wait for others (like the BBC) to give their version.
Sometimes, I despair. ::) ::)
What makes some nobody on Youtube more believable that the main media? (not withstanding we all know that most media has their own agenda).
If I posted something about Ukraine/Russia on Youtube, would that make it automatically correct?
Like most conflicts, some element of blame can be leveraged at either side, but invariably one side is a fair bit more to blame than the other. Be that the Middle East, Cyprus, Africa, or the former USSR. Virtually the whole world aside from China and the Norks agree that Putin has overstepped the mark, and governments around the world have access to far more intelligence that you, me, or some knobjockey making money on Youtube. A fantastic opportunity for YouTubers to make good money saying something controversial ;)
And like STEMO, I am purposely staying out of commenting my own personal views on this thread, only highlighting inaccuracies.
Yes, you and STEMO are right to recognise none of us know everything about this subject, if anything at all!
I do not normally post on General Discussion but I will just say now, as a matter of trying to keep the record straight, and not necessarily my personal opinion, but after reading history most of my adult life, and studying World War II, the twentieth century in particular, then observing the 21st century to date, I will stick with the comprehensive, universally acknowledged "facts" that should be remembered.
1/ On the subject of the Soviet Union, and how Stalin treated his people, and especially his army during WW2, fighting the Nazis, using hundreds of thousands as cannon fodder. How 10,000 soldiers alone of the Red Army lost in the Battle for Berlin, with troops killed by their own side by the anti-desertion squads who operated behind the main offensive line if they appeared to be retreating. 9 million military were lost, with 27 million Soviets in total killed.
2/ Stalin allowed no opposition, and anyone who opposed him were dealt with swiftly, including army generals.
3/ On the issue of today's Russia, Putin, and Ukraine, it is known that 90,000+ Russian soldiers have been killed fighting in Ukraine, with reported the anti-desertion squads, or more correctly "barrier troops", operating again behind their offensive lines.
4/ Putin, who according to President Trump "wants peace", invaded Georgia in 2008, then annexing Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, then invaded Ukraine, a sovereign country, in February 2022. Last night, on day 1087 of the war, it has been reported that Russia launched 133 drones across Ukraine. But, apparently Putin wants peace.
5/ The Munich Conference has found an American President and delegation talking about reaching a Peace Deal, and (Maybe??) accepting Russia can retain the territories so far occupied. In September 1938, at the Munich Agreement, Britain's Neville Chamberlain, and others, let Hitler to continue with his army's occupation of parts of Czechoslovakia to obtain "Peace in our time". World War II commenced on 1st September, 1939, as Hitler invaded Poland.
5/ Putin has allowed no opposition, and anyone who opposes are were dealt with swiftly, ending up in prison, then dead. Other opposition members are now in exile to escape Putin's wrath, or maybe not if his poisoners can get to them.
Oh, yes. There is nothing to fear from Putin's Russia!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) :P :P :P
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So he knows everything there is to know about the history of the conflict in Ukraine. How does that help and why would I be interested?
Is he in a position to stop the fighting, which is all most people are interested in?
Stopping the fighting is what we all wish for. However, it would need to be a lasting peace, addressing the root causes of the conflict. The video I posted describes (with video and audio evidence) those root causes. It's a proxy war costing at least 600,000 Ukrainian lives for no apparent purpose. That is what is so evil.
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If you have access to the Telegraph, this is how a lot of people in the know are seeing it:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/15/this-is-how-ukraine-war-ends-trump-plan-for-what-next/
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If you have access to the Telegraph, this is how a lot of people in the know are seeing it:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/15/this-is-how-ukraine-war-ends-trump-plan-for-what-next/
I don't have access to the Telegraph, but recall how they claimed the Russians were fighting with shovels and using old washing machine circuit boards for their missiles.
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And that plays into what I've been saying on here for years. The UK, along with every other European country are no more than shouty, annoying little nations who are living in the past. Our great history means nothing (in fact, it causes hatred) to other nations, we cannot live in the past.
I'm sick of hearing people say we are the 5th or 6th richest country in the world. Someone who earns £1000 a week but spends £1200 and is up to their neck in debt is not as rich as someone who earns half as much but lives within their means.
Of course, all of the European nations could come together and be a force to be reckoned with. But we've tried that and it was, and is, an unmitigated disaster.
In my simplistic view of life, I like to take everything down to the level of the playground. Big boys hit little boys and take their sweeties. Little boys try to suck up to big boys for protection, as we have with the US for years. But big boys aren't fussed if someone hits one of their little boys , as long as they divide the sweeties. The US, Russia and China will be the three superpowers that shape the world in the future, and all of our governments platitudes won't change that.
Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.
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If you have access to the Telegraph, this is how a lot of people in the know are seeing it:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/15/this-is-how-ukraine-war-ends-trump-plan-for-what-next/
I don't have access to the Telegraph, but recall how they claimed the Russians were fighting with shovels and using old washing machine circuit boards for their missiles.
It goes slightly deeper than that ;D
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And that plays into what I've been saying on here for years. The UK, along with every other European country are no more than shouty, annoying little nations who are living in the past. Our great history means nothing (in fact, it causes hatred) to other nations, we cannot live in the past.
I'm sick of hearing people say we are the 5th or 6th richest country in the world. Someone who earns £1000 a week but spends £1200 and is up to their neck in debt is not as rich as someone who earns half as much but lives within their means.
Of course, all of the European nations could come together and be a force to be reckoned with. But we've tried that and it was, and is, an unmitigated disaster.
In my simplistic view of life, I like to take everything down to the level of the playground. Big boys hit little boys and take their sweeties. Little boys try to suck up to big boys for protection, as we have with the US for years. But big boys aren't fussed if someone hits one of their little boys , as long as they divide the sweeties. The US, Russia and China will be the three superpowers that shape the world in the future, and all of our governments platitudes won't change that.
Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.
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That's a very good way of looking at it, and I totally agree 100%
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And that plays into what I've been saying on here for years. The UK, along with every other European country are no more than shouty, annoying little nations who are living in the past. Our great history means nothing (in fact, it causes hatred) to other nations, we cannot live in the past.
I'm sick of hearing people say we are the 5th or 6th richest country in the world. Someone who earns £1000 a week but spends £1200 and is up to their neck in debt is not as rich as someone who earns half as much but lives within their means.
Of course, all of the European nations could come together and be a force to be reckoned with. But we've tried that and it was, and is, an unmitigated disaster.
In my simplistic view of life, I like to take everything down to the level of the playground. Big boys hit little boys and take their sweeties. Little boys try to suck up to big boys for protection, as we have with the US for years. But big boys aren't fussed if someone hits one of their little boys , as long as they divide the sweeties. The US, Russia and China will be the three superpowers that shape the world in the future, and all of our governments platitudes won't change that.
Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.
And to add to the above, J D Vance was right when he said the danger for us (and most of Europe) comes from within. Our country is full of immigrants who don't share our history and, (in some cases) hate us.
I'm not getting into all of the damage being done by pandering to folk who think they can be anything they want, and demand that we respect that idea. And the ones who suffer health or mental problems that excuses them from contributing.
It's the perfect storm.
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And that plays into what I've been saying on here for years. The UK, along with every other European country are no more than shouty, annoying little nations who are living in the past. Our great history means nothing (in fact, it causes hatred) to other nations, we cannot live in the past.
I'm sick of hearing people say we are the 5th or 6th richest country in the world. Someone who earns £1000 a week but spends £1200 and is up to their neck in debt is not as rich as someone who earns half as much but lives within their means.
Of course, all of the European nations could come together and be a force to be reckoned with. But we've tried that and it was, and is, an unmitigated disaster.
In my simplistic view of life, I like to take everything down to the level of the playground. Big boys hit little boys and take their sweeties. Little boys try to suck up to big boys for protection, as we have with the US for years. But big boys aren't fussed if someone hits one of their little boys , as long as they divide the sweeties. The US, Russia and China will be the three superpowers that shape the world in the future, and all of our governments platitudes won't change that.
Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.
Damn it! I agree with you!!
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And to add to the above, J D Vance was right when he said the danger for us (and most of Europe) comes from within. Our country is full of immigrants who don't share our history and, (in some cases) hate us.
I'm not getting into all of the damage being done by pandering to folk who think they can be anything they want, and demand that we respect that idea. And the ones who suffer health or mental problems that excuses them from contributing.
It's the perfect storm.
I agree with you again! Stop it, please! ;D ;D
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And that plays into what I've been saying on here for years. The UK, along with every other European country are no more than shouty, annoying little nations who are living in the past. Our great history means nothing (in fact, it causes hatred) to other nations, we cannot live in the past.
I'm sick of hearing people say we are the 5th or 6th richest country in the world. Someone who earns £1000 a week but spends £1200 and is up to their neck in debt is not as rich as someone who earns half as much but lives within their means.
Of course, all of the European nations could come together and be a force to be reckoned with. But we've tried that and it was, and is, an unmitigated disaster.
In my simplistic view of life, I like to take everything down to the level of the playground. Big boys hit little boys and take their sweeties. Little boys try to suck up to big boys for protection, as we have with the US for years. But big boys aren't fussed if someone hits one of their little boys , as long as they divide the sweeties. The US, Russia and China will be the three superpowers that shape the world in the future, and all of our governments platitudes won't change that.
Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.
Damn it! I agree with you!!
I would subscribe to the Telegraph if I were you, it's only £1 a week. But be prepared for some depressing facts about out armed forces, our welfare system, our immigration system, etc.
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And that plays into what I've been saying on here for years. The UK, along with every other European country are no more than shouty, annoying little nations who are living in the past. Our great history means nothing (in fact, it causes hatred) to other nations, we cannot live in the past.
I'm sick of hearing people say we are the 5th or 6th richest country in the world. Someone who earns £1000 a week but spends £1200 and is up to their neck in debt is not as rich as someone who earns half as much but lives within their means.
Of course, all of the European nations could come together and be a force to be reckoned with. But we've tried that and it was, and is, an unmitigated disaster.
In my simplistic view of life, I like to take everything down to the level of the playground. Big boys hit little boys and take their sweeties. Little boys try to suck up to big boys for protection, as we have with the US for years. But big boys aren't fussed if someone hits one of their little boys , as long as they divide the sweeties. The US, Russia and China will be the three superpowers that shape the world in the future, and all of our governments platitudes won't change that.
Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.
Damn it! I agree with you!!
I would subscribe to the Telegraph if I were you, it's only £1 a week. But be prepared for some depressing facts about out armed forces, our welfare system, our immigration system, etc.
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As I've said previously the UK is well and truly doomed , we know what the answer is but our present government hasn't got the balls to do anything about it, whilst millions is being wasted every day putting up scroungers in hotels.
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Well Starmer has nailed his flag by going agin the US and saying Ukraine should be considered for NATO..
Is this the start of the new order? NATO morphs into MOE ( most of Europe) US departs ( but might come back) . MOE steps up spend on defence ( and we all become poorer except holders of shares in defence companies)
Funnily enough, I do agree with Vance that Europe is fractured and losing the plot. Exactly one of the reasons why some folk voted agin UK staying in the EU. However now is no time for the UK to distance itself from a European Army or whatever name it might need.
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Well Starmer has nailed his flag by going agin the US and saying Ukraine should be considered for NATO..
Is this the start of the new order? NATO morphs into MOE ( most of Europe) US departs ( but might come back) . MOE steps up spend on defence ( and we all become poorer except holders of shares in defence companies)
Funnily enough, I do agree with Vance that Europe is fractured and losing the plot. Exactly one of the reasons why some folk voted agin UK staying in the EU. However now is no time for the UK to distance itself from a European Army or whatever name it might need.
It's exactly the time to stay out of whatever expensive disfunctional bureaucratic shitshow EU Army they cobble together! ::)
The UK should keep our money at home, concentrate on building up our own armed forces and defence industries, and cooperate with whatever the EU do, the Yanks, Canadians et al via NATO! :y
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Well Starmer has nailed his flag by going agin the US and saying Ukraine should be considered for NATO..
Is this the start of the new order? NATO morphs into MOE ( most of Europe) US departs ( but might come back) . MOE steps up spend on defence ( and we all become poorer except holders of shares in defence companies)
Funnily enough, I do agree with Vance that Europe is fractured and losing the plot. Exactly one of the reasons why some folk voted agin UK staying in the EU. However now is no time for the UK to distance itself from a European Army or whatever name it might need.
A European army is essentially a daft idea. Few countries have the manpower, few countries would be able financially to support the necessary increase in defence spending and, if we wrongly continue to see Russia as the enemy, there is no way we could match its military capabilities. Last, but not least, I believe that there is very little support among the populations at large. Most people in the UK are, I believe, averse to the notion of bombs and death—even if military action appeals to a handful of politicians and armchair warriors. They would not, after all, be on the front line...
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“Most people in the UK are, I believe, averse to the notion of bombs and death”
Haha. I suspect that applies to “ most people” not just those in the UK.
The only people not averse are the war czars but then they don’t lead from the front but from bombshelters.
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I said it before… build a wall around the entire island and arm up to the hilt, chuck all the unwanted out immediately. And get to making Britain Great again.👍
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Well Starmer has nailed his flag by going agin the US and saying Ukraine should be considered for NATO..
Is this the start of the new order? NATO morphs into MOE ( most of Europe) US departs ( but might come back) . MOE steps up spend on defence ( and we all become poorer except holders of shares in defence companies)
Funnily enough, I do agree with Vance that Europe is fractured and losing the plot. Exactly one of the reasons why some folk voted agin UK staying in the EU. However now is no time for the UK to distance itself from a European Army or whatever name it might need.
A European army is essentially a daft idea. Few countries have the manpower, few countries would be able financially to support the necessary increase in defence spending and, if we wrongly continue to see Russia as the enemy, there is no way we could match its military capabilities. Last, but not least, I believe that there is very little support among the populations at large. Most people in the UK are, I believe, averse to the notion of bombs and death—even if military action appeals to a handful of politicians and armchair warriors. They would not, after all, be on the front line...
What military capabilities are those then? ???
After three years of invading his much smaller neighbour, Putin's mighty war machine has been bogged down in First World War style trench warfare where they've been grinding forward with incremental gains. His troops have sustained massive casualties due to the medieval tactics they've used, he's had to resort to conscripting from prisons, faced a very public mutiny and the shortage of armoured vehicles is such that they ferry troops to the front in Ladas, which are often picked off by drones. He was humiliated when the Ukrainians sank his flagship missile cruiser Moskva and what's left of the Black Sea fleet has largely withdrawn from Sevastopol to the far side of the Black Sea at Novorossiysk, where they are out of range of Ukrainian missiles. Apart from being used as long range missile launch pads, where the targets are usually civilian in nature, the Black Sea fleet is no longer much of a threat.
Where was the 'blitzkrieg'? On paper they should have steamrollered across Ukraine, taken Kiev and arrived at the Polish border in days while the impotent West looked on helplessly. Instead, they failed to take Kiev and retreated, much the same with Kharkiv and Kherson was liberated. They have managed to secure a strip of Eastern Ukraine which is mostly devastated, and the towns and cities that they have taken like Mariupol for example, they have destroyed, which will cost billions of dollars to rebuild. I'm not a military man or even an armchair general, but Putin's 'Special Military Operation' doesn't strike me as a runaway success. :-\
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Exactly. He more than likely thought he could send troops into Ukraine and they would take the whole country in a week or two.
He has made a momentous mistake, because the whole world now knows that other than their nukes, Russia are no great military force at all.
The world believed otherwise before Ukraine.
If he doesnt got out of this with something tangible to show for it, I think he is a dead man walking.
That would be a good thing, because Russia as a country isnt our enemy, but Putin definitely is.
If he had dreams or ambitions to carry on after Ukraine and recreate the old USSR, he must now realise that there is no way thats going to happen. Unless he really is clinically insane.
If he and his regime was gone and hopefully replaced by something less volatile, the Western world could learn by its previous mistake and welcome them into the civilised world.
It all rests on Trump though. If he pulls the plug on weapons and funding then Ukraine wont have a hope.
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“Most people in the UK are, I believe, averse to the notion of bombs and death”
Haha. I suspect that applies to “ most people” not just those in the UK.
The only people not averse are the war czars but then they don’t lead from the front but from bombshelters.
As Roger Waters wrote, "We play the game with the bravery of being out of range".
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If he and his regime was gone and hopefully replaced by something less volatile, the Western world could learn by its previous mistake and welcome them into the civilised world.
It all rests on Trump though. If he pulls the plug on weapons and funding then Ukraine wont have a hope.
Unfortunately, Trump is a demented fool, supported by billionaires operating out of their limited expertise who are fronted by a drug addict who believes his own press.
Behind them are a bunch of religious crazies, which is never a good basis for a government.
All of them are operating on the principle of break everything and scoop up whatever is left of any value. What's really, utterly unfathomable here is that it's their stuff they're breaking. Who would do that :o [size=78%]? [/size]
Nor should we underestimate Trump's deal making ability - blunder about making threats while promising them whatever they asked for, bend over a table to be oppsed and give them the table as a souvenir.
Giving into Putin would be appeasement for the 21st century. And look how much badly peace for our time affected everyone in the latter two-thirds of the 20th.
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Yeah, just a nobody. ::)
Pretty much. Loves himself a bit, doesn't he. And, as I said previously, he is purposely saying things to be controversial - I wonder if he has monetisation enabled on his gayTube channel.... ...just saying ;)
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Doesn’t matter who started it and why now, Putin has shown his hand and it’s a weak one but he is a dangerous, corrupt, foolish liar who wants the USSR to exist again, he must be stopped and shown the error of his ways or we face far more shit Stirling, cable cutting, hidden bombs, poisoning, he will stoop to anything to keep his dream alive, this guy must be stopped and soon, the longer it goes on the worse it will become.
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What military capabilities are those then? ???
After three years of invading his much smaller neighbour, Putin's mighty war machine has been bogged down in First World War style trench warfare where they've been grinding forward with incremental gains. His troops have sustained massive casualties due to the medieval tactics they've used, he's had to resort to conscripting from prisons, faced a very public mutiny and the shortage of armoured vehicles is such that they ferry troops to the front in Ladas, which are often picked off by drones. He was humiliated when the Ukrainians sank his flagship missile cruiser Moskva and what's left of the Black Sea fleet has largely withdrawn from Sevastopol to the far side of the Black Sea at Novorossiysk, where they are out of range of Ukrainian missiles. Apart from being used as long range missile launch pads, where the targets are usually civilian in nature, the Black Sea fleet is no longer much of a threat.
Where was the 'blitzkrieg'? On paper they should have steamrollered across Ukraine, taken Kiev and arrived at the Polish border in days while the impotent West looked on helplessly. Instead, they failed to take Kiev and retreated, much the same with Kharkiv and Kherson was liberated. They have managed to secure a strip of Eastern Ukraine which is mostly devastated, and the towns and cities that they have taken like Mariupol for example, they have destroyed, which will cost billions of dollars to rebuild. I'm not a military man or even an armchair general, but Putin's 'Special Military Operation' doesn't strike me as a runaway success. :-\
Fibre-optic drones, Oreshnik and Avangard hypersonic missiles, the air-launched Kinzhal glide missile, S-400 Triumph air defence system, Uran-9 unmanned ground vehicle, Su-57 and Su-35 advanced fighters etc, etc.
As for the rest of your post: the Russian army has gained thousands of volunteers, they do not conscript from prisons and do not face a very public mutiny or shortage of armoured vehicles. At the start, Russia had no intention of capturing Kiev. The military adventure was merely a show (as insufficient troops were deployed) to get Ukraine to the negotiating table it worked as a peace agreement was initialed, though it was later scuppered by Johnson. It's too easy to talk of a tiny country fighting by far greater opponent. The truth is that Russia has been fighting NATO. Ukraine has been a proxy.
I follow folks like Larry Johnson (ex-CIA officer), Colonel Douglas Macgregor (US army ret'd and former US government official), Ray McGovern (ex-CIA analyst), Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell), Karen Kwiatkowski (retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel whose assignments included duties as a Pentagon desk officer. They are all US patriots, but determined to counter the MSM narrative. Also worth following is Alastair Crooke CMG (ex-MI6 and former British diplomat). That's where I get the news, NOT the BBC, ITV, Sky etc.
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Fibre-optic drones, Oreshnik and Avangard hypersonic missiles, the air-launched Kinzhal glide missile, S-400 Triumph air defence system, Uran-9 unmanned ground vehicle, Su-57 and Su-35 advanced fighters etc, etc.
At the start of the war, Ukraine had no defence against any of those items - their forces were at least 30 years out of date. And worse they were 30 years out of date Russian equipment which is 10 years behind western tech anyway. They are now, slowly (too slowly IMHO) being equipped with (basically) 10 year old western fighters, tanks, missile defense systems etc and that has neutralised the majority of these threats. If they'd had this more modern stuff on day one, then we wouldn't be where we are now.
As for the rest of your post: the Russian army has gained thousands of volunteers, they do not conscript from prisons
False
At the start, Russia had no intention of capturing Kiev.
I'll call that false as well. No point in capturing Hostomol airport unless you intend to use it as an airborne bridgehead, supporting rolling tanks down from Belarus into Kiev. I believe they thought they could capture Kiev in 3 days, and after that the whole country would fall within a few weeks. When that didn't work, they had little option but to pull out the way they'd come in.
The truth is that Russia has been fighting NATO. Ukraine has been a proxy.
You can make the argument that they're fighting against NATO tech now, three years on, but not during the first days, weeks, months. They were on their own then.
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There's an argument for not arming them.
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There's an argument for not arming them.
Is there? ??? Go on then.... :)
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There's an argument for not arming them.
Yes, imagine the damage Ukraine could have done if they actually had a navy ;D
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There's an argument for not arming them.
Is there? ??? Go on then.... :)
The money and resources blindly thrown over to Ukraine haven't exactly returned anything constructive. Russia have gained about 20% of the country and have been largely defeated by mud and resources, or a lack thereof.
For what we have collectively spent, they should have at least held the border.
Whilst Zelenskyy has spent the last 3 years running around begging for cash and kit, no one bothered even trying to talk to Putin.
Now that has been established, they can all sit at a table and discuss the situation and hopefully draw a line under it.
Obviously all the whole Zelenskyy is running around trying to stir up panic, he's never going to be at the table to discuss anything constructive.
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Without directly commenting on this situation....
Trouble is, if any negotiation involving an aggressor keeping another country's territory will not be a lasting resolution, as in a few years, they will have another pop to get some more...
History has taught us that repeatedly.
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Without directly commenting on this situation....
Trouble is, if any negotiation involving an aggressor keeping another country's territory will not be a lasting resolution, as in a few years, they will have another pop to get some more...
History has taught us that repeatedly.
I agree TB, and obviously Zelensky will run around begging or doing anything else he can to save his country, what else can he do? Putin amassed his forces at the border and denied he would invade.. he didn’t until he got around 150,000 troops plus equipment there, the bloke is damaged, he’s dangerous, if he isn’t sorted out properly this time, then it’s just a matter of time until he starts again and the next time it really will be WW3. All IMO of course.
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There's an argument for not arming them.
Is there? ??? Go on then.... :)
The money and resources blindly thrown over to Ukraine haven't exactly returned anything constructive. Russia have gained about 20% of the country and have been largely defeated by mud and resources, or a lack thereof.
For what we have collectively spent, they should have at least held the border.
Whilst Zelenskyy has spent the last 3 years running around begging for cash and kit, no one bothered even trying to talk to Putin.
Now that has been established, they can all sit at a table and discuss the situation and hopefully draw a line under it.
Obviously all the whole Zelenskyy is running around trying to stir up panic, he's never going to be at the table to discuss anything constructive.
How do you work that out? ???
At the time of the full scale invasion in 2022, more or less what they had from the West was some NLAW and Javelin anti tank missiles, mostly from us and the Yanks. It wasn't very much in the scheme of things, although having those weapons probably saved Kiev. If you recall, the Germans banned the RAF from flying through their airspace as they were delivering weapons to Ukraine. So much for European unity.... ::)
The Russians already had troops in the Donbass, where they'd been for years (deniably of course) and without comprehensive air defences it's difficult to defend against the barrage of cruise missiles that Russia indiscriminately lobbed at them. :-\
As the President of Ukraine, why shouldn't Zelenskyy be at the table? ??? It's not for Trump to decide what happens to his country, nor to carve up a cosy deal with Putin behind his back. He can of course decide whether America continues to support Ukraine or leave them to their fate. ::)
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The money and resources blindly thrown over to Ukraine haven't exactly returned anything constructive. Russia have gained about 20% of the country and have been largely defeated by mud and resources, or a lack thereof.
For what we have collectively spent, they should have at least held the border.
Whilst Zelenskyy has spent the last 3 years running around begging for cash and kit, no one bothered even trying to talk to Putin.
Now that has been established, they can all sit at a table and discuss the situation and hopefully draw a line under it.
Obviously all the whole Zelenskyy is running around trying to stir up panic, he's never going to be at the table to discuss anything constructive.
Yes, Putin is famous for being agreeable and worth reasoning with.
Another line. Like the previous one the Russians trampled over three years ago? See above.
An agreement without the leader of the invaded country is worthless to everybody. And a country that doesn't defend itself when invaded is equally worthless.
As for whatever money has been spent, just like any other conflict between two sides with the same tech, this one will lead how militaries are built until the next one. For example it has shown that flying anything manned over a modern battlefield is a very expensive thing to do and that powerful drones are a better investment than previously thought.
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There's an argument for not arming them.
Is there? ??? Go on then.... :)
The money and resources blindly thrown over to Ukraine haven't exactly returned anything constructive. Russia have gained about 20% of the country and have been largely defeated by mud and resources, or a lack thereof.
For what we have collectively spent, they should have at least held the border.
Whilst Zelenskyy has spent the last 3 years running around begging for cash and kit, no one bothered even trying to talk to Putin.
Now that has been established, they can all sit at a table and discuss the situation and hopefully draw a line under it.
Obviously all the whole Zelenskyy is running around trying to stir up panic, he's never going to be at the table to discuss anything constructive.
My take is the West only gave Ukraine enough support to stop Putin winning. They were frightened. My gut feeling is the West was waiting to see how it turned out. Could and should have been so different ( and cheaper) with proper support from day 1.
The only good thing to come from the conflict is to see where other nations threw their hats in.
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I think the fact that the russians are fighting for money whereas the Ukrainians are fighting for their country has to be considered .
Irrespective of what time line you place on the outcome that fact will have a huge bearing on the end game .
Big bully russia will never subjugate a country the size of Ukraine no matter what behind the door deals are made .
They're blood is in their soil .
russia never has been and never will be trusted , even more so now.
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I never said Zelenskyy shouldn't be at the table. He should be, but he can't claim to be trying to negotiate whilst effectively demanding that the EU provides some Natoesque super army to defend Ukraine from Russia.
If Trump gets both sides in the same room than that's got to be worth something as a starting point.
Having both publicly stated that they want to end the fighting, they need to match that statement with doings.
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Putin revels in his reputation of being mad Vlad. So, when he says 'We've got nuclear weapons and we'll use them if our country is in any danger', the West duly shits itself. There is no practical working out of the many reasons why he wouldn't do it, they just.........shit themselves. Game over.
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I never said Zelenskyy shouldn't be at the table. He should be, but he can't claim to be trying to negotiate whilst effectively demanding that the EU provides some Natoesque super army to defend Ukraine from Russia.
If Trump gets both sides in the same room than that's got to be worth something as a starting point.
Having both publicly stated that they want to end the fighting, they need to match that statement with doings.
He has an unhinged neighbour who has committed war crimes and atrocities against the civilians during the invasion. Putin and Lavrov lied to the world about their intentions in the weeks before the invasion as they built up troops and equipment on the border and we're supposed to believe that the Russians have honourable intentions about peace? ;D
Any peace deal without cast iron security guarantees for Ukraine from a serious military force, be it Europe, America, NATO or a global force of some kind, will not be worth the paper it's written on. Zelenskyy knows this. :-X
When Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 there were warnings about appeasement which were mostly ignored, and so we are where we are. Peace for our time?
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Indeed Steve, as I said earlier #50, he lied time and time again on a weekly basis, we won’t do this we won’t do that, and as has been said here also, it’s him Putin, normal Russians are just hard working hard vodka drinking normal ish folk on the whole who are not interested in the war.
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I think the fact that the russians are fighting for money whereas the Ukrainians are fighting for their country has to be considered .
Irrespective of what time line you place on the outcome that fact will have a huge bearing on the end game .
Big bully russia will never subjugate a country the size of Ukraine no matter what behind the door deals are made .
They're blood is in their soil .
russia never has been and never will be trusted , even more so now.
Utter BS.
Russia (Soviet Union) has successfully fought off several attempted invasions in its history, so its an ingrained feeling among the Russians to feel that the expansion of NATO to Ukraine (albeit they're not a member, but have received weapons and training-even before the current war) is literally an existential threat. That is why they attempted to avoid war through Minsk 1 and 2 and the Istanbul Agreement. It has NOTHING to do with money and everything to with protection of Russian society.
Zelensky is no longer the President of Ukraine, as his term of office has expired. It would be akin to Starmer cancelling the next GE but staying in No.10. (!!)
Zelensky has banned opposition media, banned the Orthodox Church (has arrested Priests), banned the use of Russian language (even though it's his mother tongue) and some of his ultra-right soldiers openly display swastikas – as have their vehicles.
The expansion of NATO, despite the US Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in February 1990, provides ample evidence of who should be trusted.
Finally, if the the now-defunct Warsaw Pact had welcomed Mexico as a member, how would that have been viewed by the US?
I'm for peace, trustworthiness, freedom of speech and worship. :y
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“ I'm for peace, trustworthiness, freedom of speech and worship”
Thank god you live in Europe and not in Russia. You could have have been Navalny and poisoned for daring to have a sensible view compared to Putins czarism- make the poor poorer and reward oligarch mates.
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Russia (Soviet Union) has successfully fought off several attempted invasions in its history, so its an ingrained feeling among the Russians to feel that the expansion of NATO to Ukraine (albeit they're not a member, but have received weapons and training-even before the current war) is literally an existential threat. That is why they attempted to avoid war through Minsk 1 and 2 and the Istanbul Agreement. It has NOTHING to do with money and everything to with protection of Russian society.
Russia (Soviet Union) has also been the aggressor several times. the 1939-40 Finnish Winter War, the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan, the destruction of Grozny in the Chechen wars, the 2008 invasion of Georgia, the destruction of Aleppo in Syria, the annexation of Crimea in 2014, and the Donbass war from 2014 through to the 2022 full scale invasion of Ukraine.
Zelensky is no longer the President of Ukraine, as his term of office has expired. It would be akin to Starmer cancelling the next GE but staying in No.10. (!!)
There was no General Election in Britain between 1935 and 1945. Does that mean that Winston Churchill was not really the Prime Minister?
Zelensky has banned opposition media, banned the Orthodox Church (has arrested Priests), banned the use of Russian language (even though it's his mother tongue) and some of his ultra-right soldiers openly display swastikas – as have their vehicles.
I suspect that Britain was similarly intolerant towards dissenting voices during WW2 and had German Lutheran Churches been common across Britain, I expect they'd have been shut down as well. As to the Orthodox Church, or more properly the Russian Orthodox Church, the Bolsheviks and later Khrushchev shut down thousands of churches across the USSR and priests were sent to the Gulags or murdered. So it's not uncommon in that part of the world and who knows what those Russian Orthodox priests were preaching from their pulpits in Ukraine?
The expansion of NATO, despite the US Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in February 1990, provides ample evidence of who should be trusted.
Russia is a signatory of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which guaranteed Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up the nuclear weapons they inherited from the USSR and signing the Treaty on the Non Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. It also specifically prohibited the 'Nuclear Powers' signatories, Russia, Britain and America from using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine. I bet the Ukrainians regret that now, as Russia can't be trusted.
Finally, if the the now-defunct Warsaw Pact had welcomed Mexico as a member, how would that have been viewed by the US?
Ukraine is not a member of NATO and membership has always been a distant prospect. My own view is that had Ukraine joined with all the other former Soviet republics, we wouldn't be where we are today as they would have had the security guarantee of NATO membership and Russia wouldn't have invaded.
I'm for peace, trustworthiness, freedom of speech and worship. :y
You're backing the wrong horse then! ;D Maybe you should move to Russia and see how you get on! :y
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Thank you, Tigger. I CBA :)
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“ I'm for peace, trustworthiness, freedom of speech and worship”
Thank god you live in Europe and not in Russia. You could have have been Navalny and poisoned for daring to have a sensible view compared to Putins czarism- make the poor poorer and reward oligarch mates.
I don't suffer from Russophobia (racism) like you lot. ::)
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“ I'm for peace, trustworthiness, freedom of speech and worship”
Thank god you live in Europe and not in Russia. You could have have been Navalny and poisoned for daring to have a sensible view compared to Putins czarism- make the poor poorer and reward oligarch mates.
I don't suffer from Russophobia (racism) like you lot. ::)
True, but you are delusional :)
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Lavrov says no NATO peacekeeping troops. Unless China offers, presumably Russia will provide the peacekeeping troops?
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“ I'm for peace, trustworthiness, freedom of speech and worship”
Thank god you live in Europe and not in Russia. You could have have been Navalny and poisoned for daring to have a sensible view compared to Putins czarism- make the poor poorer and reward oligarch mates.
I don't suffer from Russophobia (racism) like you lot. ::)
Your slavish affection and nausiating verbosity portraying russia as some kind of admirable nation is to be pitied.
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Lavrov says no NATO peacekeeping troops. Unless China offers, presumably Russia will provide the peacekeeping troops?
Well that's kicked Starmers generous offer to send British troops into touch then! :y
Lavrov is a lying prick tho.... ::) So who knows what the endgame is? :-\
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Indeed Sir Tigger.
How about Russia being catapulted back onto the world stage. Europe ( especially Germany) poorer for having become energy independent to Russia. USA gets rid of a huge drain ( supporting military in Ukraine) Three years on the Sh1t hits the fan elsewhere in Europe
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I would imagine that the Baltic states are shitting themselves anyway. Though they are NATO members, if that means anything.
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Damn right Ron, when Putin barks everybody’s shaking like a shitting dog
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Unless I am confused, and it's always a possibility,
But when was the coup in Ukraine? Before or after 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea?
Assuming that's what started Russia off on the off/defensive...
Now that's not to lay the blame at Zelenskyy's feet, but instability in Ukraine post Soviet Union and a centuries old territorial dispute made for quite a volatile mix from either side.
If the war serves no actual purpose then there's a strong case for stopping it and leaving the borders where they lie.
Russia keeps land it would occupy anyway and Ukraine keeps its sovereignty.
Lithuania in particular has cause to be nervous as there's a Russian supply route to Kaliningrad, but all the while the dogs are left undisturbed, the status quo seems to be working.
Zelenskyy getting all bent out of shape only serves to weaken his position.
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Clever move by someone to exclude Ukraine from the peace talks.If Russia/USA agree some kind of peace deal and Ukraine refuses it then suddenly Ukraine become the nasty aggressors who don't want peace instead of being the victims of an invasion fighting for their country.
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Ukraine haven't been excluded.
The current talks are to re-establish communication with Russia to enable the actual talks to begin in earnest.
Zelenskyy has been chatting to everyone since the thing started. Noone had bothered talking to the Russians so there's some catching up to do from both sides.
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Trump has thrown Zelensky and Ukraine under the Russian bus today.
Blamed the whole problem on Zelensky.
Utterly deplorable. >:(
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Trump has thrown Zelensky and Ukraine under the Russian bus today.
Blamed the whole problem on Zelensky.
Utterly deplorable. >:(
The US will almost certainly pull any funding while Zelensky remains.
The US donated about 50%...... :-X
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Which in reality means that Trump has just handed victory to Putin.
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Which in reality means that Trump has just handed victory to Putin.
And will probably give him a blow job when they meet.
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Trumps narrative is becoming more bizarre and concerning by the hour .
His accusations and portrayal of events is at odds with the world.
Frankly his negotiating tactics ,or lack of , are astounding for a man that believes he can sucessfully " do a deal " on his terms at each and every turn..
I just watched some footage of Republican Senators being quized on his performance and they were very uncomfortable and looked dazed .
Add his musings on Canada ,Panama, Greenland,Gaza and the Gulf and I begin to wonder what the voters of America have unleashed .
I'd struggle to think of one person who sees truth in what he claims , well apart from one close to this site ....., and therefore feel that there is a global discomfort as to where this will lead .
My thoughts are that if he capitulates and destroys the trust that Europe has in America and hands power and strength back to russia it will eventually lead to a European war that will have huge consequences for America whether it likes it or not .
Trump HAS to be beholding to putin for some reason , it's all I can think of .
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Trumps narrative is becoming more bizarre and concerning by the hour .
His accusations and portrayal of events is at odds with the world.
Frankly his negotiating tactics ,or lack of , are astounding for a man that believes he can sucessfully " do a deal " on his terms at each and every turn..
I just watched some footage of Republican Senators being quized on his performance and they were very uncomfortable and looked dazed .
Add his musings on Canada ,Panama, Greenland,Gaza and the Gulf and I begin to wonder what the voters of America have unleashed .
I'd struggle to think of one person who sees truth in what he claims , well apart from one close to this site ....., and therefore feel that there is a global discomfort as to where this will lead .
My thoughts are that if he capitulates and destroys the trust that Europe has in America and hands power and strength back to russia it will eventually lead to a European war that will have huge consequences for America whether it likes it or not .
Trump HAS to be beholding to putin for some reason , it's all I can think of .
I now do not normally comment on these threads, but your summary in regards to Trump, for me, is absolutely spot on! :y :y :y :y :y :y
Trump is a monster that has been unleashed on the World, and his own country the USA! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Negotiating ploy or good idea?
Donald Tusk suggests Europe uses the actual seized assets of the Russian Central Bank. 200 billion. Not at all sure how that sits with international law but it would buy a lot of weaponry. Save dipping into the pockets of us ordinary folks to fund the void left by a departing USA. So far the interest o ly has been fair game.
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The only obstacle to peace in Ukraine is Russia.
They could end this stupid futile war instantly by calling a ceasefire and withdrawing their troops.
Instead, in recent weeks we have seen them increasing the number and intensity of their attacks, especially on civilian targets.
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The only obstacle to peace in Ukraine is Russia.
They could end this stupid futile war instantly by calling a ceasefire and withdrawing their troops.
Instead, in recent weeks we have seen them increasing the number and intensity of their attacks, especially on civilian targets.
That's actually true of Zelenskyy in equal measure. And as it goes, targeting sites deep into Russia is an escalation of its own as it takes the whole muddy mess far beyond the border skirmish that it actually is.
It's the equivalent of England occupying Offas Dyke and Wales bombing Norwich 'in retaliation'.
Three years in and nobody has lost or gained anything noteworthy.
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The only obstacle to peace in Ukraine is Russia.
They could end this stupid futile war instantly by calling a ceasefire and withdrawing their troops.
Instead, in recent weeks we have seen them increasing the number and intensity of their attacks, especially on civilian targets.
That's actually true of Zelenskyy in equal measure. And as it goes, targeting sites deep into Russia is an escalation of its own as it takes the whole muddy mess far beyond the border skirmish that it actually is.
It's the equivalent of England occupying Offas Dyke and Wales bombing Norwich 'in retaliation'.
Three years in and nobody has lost or gained anything noteworthy.
Is that how you really see it ?
skirmish
(ˈskɜːmɪʃ IPA Pronunciation Guide)
noun
1. a minor short-lived military engagement
2. any brisk clash or encounter, usually of a minor nature
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The only obstacle to peace in Ukraine is Russia.
They could end this stupid futile war instantly by calling a ceasefire and withdrawing their troops.
Instead, in recent weeks we have seen them increasing the number and intensity of their attacks, especially on civilian targets.
That's actually true of Zelenskyy in equal measure. And as it goes, targeting sites deep into Russia is an escalation of its own as it takes the whole muddy mess far beyond the border skirmish that it actually is.
It's the equivalent of England occupying Offas Dyke and Wales bombing Norwich 'in retaliation'.
Three years in and nobody has lost or gained anything noteworthy.
Where do you propose Zelensky withdraw his troops too? ???
Poland? ::)
So if England invaded Wales and was bombing civilian targets using an airbase in Norwich, don't you think that the Welsh would be justified in bombing that airbase? ::)
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The only obstacle to peace in Ukraine is Russia.
They could end this stupid futile war instantly by calling a ceasefire and withdrawing their troops.
Instead, in recent weeks we have seen them increasing the number and intensity of their attacks, especially on civilian targets.
That's actually true of Zelenskyy in equal measure. And as it goes, targeting sites deep into Russia is an escalation of its own as it takes the whole muddy mess far beyond the border skirmish that it actually is.
It's the equivalent of England occupying Offas Dyke and Wales bombing Norwich 'in retaliation'.
Three years in and nobody has lost or gained anything noteworthy.
Where do you propose Zelensky withdraw his troops too? ???
Poland? ::)
So if England invaded Wales and was bombing civilian targets using an airbase in Norwich, don't you think that the Welsh would be justified in bombing that airbase? ::)
Al has to tow the line, with being American an all.
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The only obstacle to peace in Ukraine is Russia.
They could end this stupid futile war instantly by calling a ceasefire and withdrawing their troops.
Instead, in recent weeks we have seen them increasing the number and intensity of their attacks, especially on civilian targets.
That's actually true of Zelenskyy in equal measure. And as it goes, targeting sites deep into Russia is an escalation of its own as it takes the whole muddy mess far beyond the border skirmish that it actually is.
It's the equivalent of England occupying Offas Dyke and Wales bombing Norwich 'in retaliation'.
Three years in and nobody has lost or gained anything noteworthy.
Where do you propose Zelensky withdraw his troops too? ???
Poland? ::)
So if England invaded Wales and was bombing civilian targets using an airbase in Norwich, don't you think that the Welsh would be justified in bombing that airbase? ::)
They could both just stop.
Both sides are as stubborn as each other and seem equally oblivious to the stalemate they are in.
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What do you think would happen if Ukraine packs up and goes home, compared to what would happen if Russia packs up and goes home? ???
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What makes you so sure anything would happen?
Russia has a secure corridor to Crimea. What more do they actually need?
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Ukraines rare earth, wheat fields to name just two
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Ukraines rare earth, wheat fields to name just two
And territory, to take them right up to a border with NATO.
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Its clear that Putin wants all of Ukraine, it gives him the complete land mass between Belarus, Crimea, Russia and Moldova (where he is also currently having a bit of a hidden war in the western area).
I could see him then going after Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia as well, to connect up with Kalingrad
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What makes you so sure anything would happen?
Russia has a secure corridor to Crimea. What more do they actually need?
They didn't need to launch a full scale invasion to secure a corridor to Crimea. They built a bridge..... ::)
It's not what Putin needs, it's what he wants.
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Which in reality means that Trump has just handed victory to Putin.
Possibly, but stopping further funding will go down well in the US.
Most yanks never leave the state they live in, let alone the country. Most have no idea where Ukraine is and care about it even less. They would rather the multi billion dollars that go to Ukraine be spent helping people in America.
Europe can't simply expect American military might to come to the rescue every time their is a war thousands of miles away.
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What Europe needs to do is cosy up to China, Donald would be effervescent ;D
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What Europe needs to do is cosy up to China, Donald would be effervescent ;D
Well we're ahead of the curve on that with Starmer sucking Xi's dick at the G20 and Rach from Complaints visit to China. :)
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the Oval Office when Starmer visits Trumpy! ;D
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What Europe needs to do is cosy up to China, Donald would be effervescent ;D
Well we're ahead of the curve on that with Starmer sucking Xi's dick at the G20 and Rach from Complaints visit to China. :)
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the Oval Office when Starmer visits Trumpy! ;D
Oh I forgot about the Ginger Growler poised to approve China's huge new embassy project in London. ::)
Kow Tow! :)
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I see Trump has won Putin employee of the month.
“Zelenskyy has 'no cards' to negotiate with, says Trump“
Words fail me
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I hope we're all watching and learning for next time we buy a new car / have to argue our next insurance premium. :D This guy's the bestest negotiator. ;D Rote a book n'all. ::)
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Even the New York Post (https://x.com/nypost/status/1892898030912716871?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1892898030912716871%7Ctwgr%5E21aa366e378c748173a15ce3a185b82b06786c2b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-news%2F2025%2F02%2F21%2Fukraine-russia-war-latest-news-china-trump%2F) has come out against Trumpy over his attitude towards Zelenskyy and Ukraine. ::)
Here's Douglas Murray's article (https://nypost.com/2025/02/20/opinion/putin-is-the-dictator-and-10-ukraine-russia-war-truths-we-ignore-at-our-peril/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social) in the New York Post. He's no establishment shill either. I suspect despite his posh accent and all, if he was based in the UK, he'd be languishing in solitary alongside Tommy Robinson for his anti Islam writings. :-X
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Even the New York Post (https://x.com/nypost/status/1892898030912716871?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1892898030912716871%7Ctwgr%5E21aa366e378c748173a15ce3a185b82b06786c2b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-news%2F2025%2F02%2F21%2Fukraine-russia-war-latest-news-china-trump%2F) has come out against Trumpy over his attitude towards Zelenskyy and Ukraine. ::)
Here's Douglas Murray's article (https://nypost.com/2025/02/20/opinion/putin-is-the-dictator-and-10-ukraine-russia-war-truths-we-ignore-at-our-peril/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social) in the New York Post. He's no establishment shill either. I suspect despite his posh accent and all, if he was based in the UK, he'd be languishing in solitary alongside Tommy Robinson for his anti Islam writings. :-X
I've read The war on the west and The Madness of crowds.
Although he makes some valid points DM doesn't quite do it for me.
Perhaps it's his gay pompous approach. ::)
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As well as 'stirring things up' on the world stage, MacDonalds Trump seems to be sacking all federal workers and military leaders at home. I'm sure he know what he's doing ;D
Oh.....and quite a lot of the judiciary as well.
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As well as 'stirring things up' on the world stage, MacDonalds Trump seems to be sacking all federal workers and military leaders at home. I'm sure he know what he's doing ;D
Oh.....and quite a lot of the judiciary as well.
Yep, he is doing exactly what Hitler did in the 1930's to create his Third Reich and make it do what he wanted. History repeating itself, and we are all in great danger from this monster >:( >:( >:(
All Mad, Bad and very Sad :-X :-X :-X
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An earlier post of mine:
Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.
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Wont be allowed to happen.
I dont disagree with much of what he does domestically, but his (and Musks) recent comments on the Ukraine situation have been utterly contemptible .
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What Europe needs to do is cosy up to China, Donald would be effervescent ;D
Well we're ahead of the curve on that with Starmer sucking Xi's dick at the G20 and Rach from Complaints visit to China. :)
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the Oval Office when Starmer visits Trumpy! ;D
Oh I forgot about the Ginger Growler poised to approve China's huge new embassy project in London. ::)
Kow Tow! :)
Whenever I hear or see these words I have images over an overgrown lady garden that has not seen the strimmer for 30 years. No amount of therapy can help. :-X
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How about this for a prediction.
Russia takes what it wants from Eastern Europe ( Anywhere that has Russian speakers fair game). West Europe wakes up and defines a reduced size EU plus of course the UK.
USA takes Greenland and maybe Canada and Mexico. Trump announces he is doing such a good job he has decided to do the job till his natural death whe he will handover to Musk.
China takes Taiwan and a number of other strategic countries.
North Korea takes South Korea and Trump invites them to join G9.
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Mm sounds like something of Dr strange love reversal🤣
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How about this for a prediction.
Russia takes what it wants from Eastern Europe ( Anywhere that has Russian speakers fair game). West Europe wakes up and defines a reduced size EU plus of course the UK.
USA takes Greenland and maybe Canada and Mexico. Trump announces he is doing such a good job he has decided to do the job till his natural death whe he will handover to Musk.
China takes Taiwan and a number of other strategic countries.
North Korea takes South Korea and Trump invites them to join G9.
That's, more or less, what the Telegraph article I linked to on page 2 said.
See if this works:
https://telegraph.co.uk/gift/c6473902a3d3f5ae
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How about this for a prediction.
Russia takes what it wants from Eastern Europe ( Anywhere that has Russian speakers fair game). West Europe wakes up and defines a reduced size EU plus of course the UK.
USA takes Greenland and maybe Canada and Mexico. Trump announces he is doing such a good job he has decided to do the job till his natural death whe he will handover to Musk.
China takes Taiwan and a number of other strategic countries.
North Korea takes South Korea and Trump invites them to join G9.
Half of that is already true. The other half is just hysterical nonsense.
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How about this for a prediction.
Russia takes what it wants from Eastern Europe ( Anywhere that has Russian speakers fair game). West Europe wakes up and defines a reduced size EU plus of course the UK.
USA takes Greenland and maybe Canada and Mexico. Trump announces he is doing such a good job he has decided to do the job till his natural death whe he will handover to Musk.
China takes Taiwan and a number of other strategic countries.
North Korea takes South Korea and Trump invites them to join G9.
That's, more or less, what the Telegraph article I linked to on page 2 said.
See if this works:
https://telegraph.co.uk/gift/c6473902a3d3f5ae
That article is a very good read. I didn’t see it first time round.
Given the number of soldiers required to “ police “ the new Ukraine/Russia border, it wouldn’t surprise me if countries introduced national service.
The other interesting point in the article was the graphic showing the location of the rare earths. Putin has done well with grabbing a good part of them.
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Talking of rare earths, there's an article in today's Telegraph saying that Ukraine's rare earth resources are nowhere near what is being claimed and it's a lot of hype. ::)
I wonder if Zelenskyy has sold Trumpy a lemon? ???
Be quite funny if he has. The art of the deal.... ;D
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/24/ukraine-rare-earths-do-not-exist/
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Talking of rare earths, there's an article in today's Telegraph saying that Ukraine's rare earth resources are nowhere near what is being claimed and it's a lot of hype. ::)
I wonder if Zelenskyy has sold Trumpy a lemon? ???
Be quite funny if he has. The art of the deal.... ;D
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/24/ukraine-rare-earths-do-not-exist/
Yeah, read that earlier in the week. The 'rare earths' they do have are not that rare and have mainly been replaced with other minerals.