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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: albitz on 27 September 2011, 17:31:34
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There has been a long running thread in carchat "what have you done?....." which could run forever and imo has been an excellent thread.Would it be possible to have a similar thread (which would almost certainly need to be a sticky) where buyers could leave an opinion of the service they recieve from sellers ?
Wouldnt be any need for admins to attempt to setup and run an ebay type feedback system.Simply a permanent thread which people could post on. :-\
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Its something that has been discussed a few times within the admin team. There are various pros and cons for the argument but, ultimately, this is an Omega enthusiasts site which just so happens to have a permitted area for buying/selling.
In all honestly, the grief that section has caused to the admin team due to reneaguing buyers - and sellers - personally, I could quite happily see the back of it and refer all sales/purchases to e-bay as thats a place built primarily for that purpose. Not keeping cars in good nick.
But thats just me...... :)
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Which is why I thought a thread such as this would be a low admin involvement situation.Dont see why it would need any more involvment than any other average thread.There is currently a complaints type thread in the section, which could give admins grief, but this one shouldnt. :-\
It would just give folk an opportunity to share their experiences, which could give a bit of guidance for others.It is also a nice thing to be informed that you have helped someone solve their problems.It isnt just about making money. ;)
I may be wrong, but I would imagine that admin stress levels have reduced in certain areas recently,as general chat and other sections have calmed down from resembling a war zone at times, to the level it is at now - which tbh, imo is mostly pretty tedious these days, but thats a different conversation I suppose. ::)
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I hear whay you are saying Albs but would counter your potential thread argument by saying that the war zone would simply be condensed into one thread! Imagine the potential for backbiting, name calling etc as well as the well dones and good fella's? ;D
Suppose it would be in the one place but not a good advertisement for new members, I feel. If to a vote, I would be a 'no' for that I'm afraid....
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Speaking of votes.Maybe I should add a poll ? :-\.............or would that be seen as trying to bypass admins ? :-\
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I can definitely say Robg and Albs , top Sellers :y :y :y :y :y
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and my vote for this kind of thread is definitely yes.. :y
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Thankyou Cem - although might be a tad premature, as it hasnt arrived yet. :D ;D
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Thankyou Cem - although might be a tad premature, as it hasnt arrived yet. :D ;D
you have done your best.. from now on its the transport firms responsibility.. :y
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Hmm. We already have an area to warn about traders who have proved troublesome.
Is there really a need to congratulate everyone else for making it to the post office? ;)
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I hope the road they travel is a shorter less tortuous one than mine was. ;D ;D ;D
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for the same reasons that hotel21 has eluded to, I would need some convincing. And I'm not sure it would serve the intended purpose - quite the opposite if anything. Fine for those that read every single post on the site, but most people don't - esp newer members who are most likely to need it
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Hmm. We already have an area to warn about traders who have proved troublesome.
Is there really a need to congratulate everyone else for making it to the post office? ;)
Kevin , in my case it was a "bit" more complicated as it was a letter of 30 kgs cargo ;D with necessary customs papers and invoice.. :y
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I think number of successful/problem trades will be a good point to start.. :y
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Hmm. We already have an area to warn about traders who have proved troublesome.
Is there really a need to congratulate everyone else for making it to the post office? ;)
Kevin , in my case it was a "bit" more complicated as it was a letter of 30 kgs cargo ;D with necessary customs papers and invoice.. :y
If a member truly has gone beyond the call of duty then there's no harm in posting a special note of thanks, IMHO. :y
I'm just not convinced a huge thread of "Item received as described" would be of much benefit, and, as said, it would have the potential to be a catalyst for trouble when disagreements occur, sadly.
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Hmm. We already have an area to warn about traders who have proved troublesome.
Is there really a need to congratulate everyone else for making it to the post office? ;)
Kevin , in my case it was a "bit" more complicated as it was a letter of 30 kgs cargo ;D with necessary customs papers and invoice.. :y
If a member truly has gone beyond the call of duty then there's no harm in posting a special note of thanks, IMHO. :y
I'm just not convinced a huge thread of "Item received as described" would be of much benefit, and, as said, it would have the potential to be a catalyst for trouble when disagreements occur, sadly.
I have seen in some sites the number of sucessful trades / positive feedback.. this will give an important info at least..
I dont think a newbie buying some parts from any member without any info and having problems later will save us from headaches..(I know there is a sticky warning thread but newbies in rush may not see it)
not sure.. but thats not an easy subject in every respect.. :-\
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Another forum I'm on has a whole section of the forum dedicated to "Buyer/seller feedback" - one thread per person is the only way of managing it (otherwise you can never find the feedback about person X when you're looking anyway).. but;
It works fine when people leave positive feedback
Negative feedback always turns into a shouting match between involved parties and does nothing but make everyone involved look like fools.. and requires a ton of moderator intervention..
JMHO ;)
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Hmm. We already have an area to warn about traders who have proved troublesome.
Is there really a need to congratulate everyone else for making it to the post office? ;)
Kevin , in my case it was a "bit" more complicated as it was a letter of 30 kgs cargo ;D with necessary customs papers and invoice.. :y
If a member truly has gone beyond the call of duty then there's no harm in posting a special note of thanks, IMHO. :y
I'm just not convinced a huge thread of "Item received as described" would be of much benefit, and, as said, it would have the potential to be a catalyst for trouble when disagreements occur, sadly.
I have seen in some sites the number of sucessful trades / positive feedback.. this will give an important info at least..
I dont think a newbie buying some parts from any member without any info and having problems later will save us from headaches..(I know there is a sticky warning thread but newbies in rush may not see it)
not sure.. but thats not an easy subject in every respect.. :-\
we could probably build such a system, but why, when ebay has done that already ;)
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imho, buyjng/selling should be a small part of the site. Obviously, those who are trying to use OOF to make a few quid probably see it as the most important part.
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Another forum I'm on has a whole section of the forum dedicated to "Buyer/seller feedback" - one thread per person is the only way of managing it (otherwise you can never find the feedback about person X when you're looking anyway).. but;
It works fine when people leave positive feedback
Negative feedback always turns into a shouting match between involved parties and does nothing but make everyone involved look like fools.. and requires a ton of moderator intervention..
JMHO ;)
Which is my point.
The sales area already confines the cack comments to one cack area. Why enlarge it?
:-X
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imho, buyjng/selling should be a small part of the site. Obviously, those who are trying to use OOF to make a few quid probably see it as the most important part.
Exactomundo.
The sales area is for sales.
Car problem areas are for informed, accurate,correct, diagnosis of problems. Not repair by substitution of parts which, in the best Blue Peter tradition, 'heres one I prepared (removed from a car and is for sale if you want it) earlier'.....
::)
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Hmm. We already have an area to warn about traders who have proved troublesome.
Is there really a need to congratulate everyone else for making it to the post office? ;)
Kevin , in my case it was a "bit" more complicated as it was a letter of 30 kgs cargo ;D with necessary customs papers and invoice.. :y
If a member truly has gone beyond the call of duty then there's no harm in posting a special note of thanks, IMHO. :y
I'm just not convinced a huge thread of "Item received as described" would be of much benefit, and, as said, it would have the potential to be a catalyst for trouble when disagreements occur, sadly.
I have seen in some sites the number of sucessful trades / positive feedback.. this will give an important info at least..
I dont think a newbie buying some parts from any member without any info and having problems later will save us from headaches..(I know there is a sticky warning thread but newbies in rush may not see it)
not sure.. but thats not an easy subject in every respect.. :-\
we could probably build such a system, but why, when ebay has done that already ;)
Ok .. time to share what I have in mind.. members who want to use buying/selling , may pay few quids to enter with their real identities and adresses to admin.. so at least will pay some of the costs and members entering the zone will be more safe.. imo..
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Hmm. We already have an area to warn about traders who have proved troublesome.
Is there really a need to congratulate everyone else for making it to the post office? ;)
Kevin , in my case it was a "bit" more complicated as it was a letter of 30 kgs cargo ;D with necessary customs papers and invoice.. :y
If a member truly has gone beyond the call of duty then there's no harm in posting a special note of thanks, IMHO. :y
I'm just not convinced a huge thread of "Item received as described" would be of much benefit, and, as said, it would have the potential to be a catalyst for trouble when disagreements occur, sadly.
I have seen in some sites the number of sucessful trades / positive feedback.. this will give an important info at least..
I dont think a newbie buying some parts from any member without any info and having problems later will save us from headaches..(I know there is a sticky warning thread but newbies in rush may not see it)
not sure.. but thats not an easy subject in every respect.. :-\
we could probably build such a system, but why, when ebay has done that already ;)
Ok .. time to share what I have in mind.. members who want to use buying/selling , may pay few quids to enter with their real identities and adresses to admin.. so at least will pay some of the costs and members entering the zone will be more safe.. imo..
I'll stick my neck out a tad here and give what I think will be the concerted Admin viewpoint.
No.
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i would of thought if you are using for sale or wanted sections chances are a long term member with bundles of posts would generally be more trustworthy than a recent member with 250 posts and loads of sale ads to be honest if you arent prepared to trust fellow members then use the various auction sites in my opinion the sale and wanted sections are only a minor section of a great community :y
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i would of thought if you are using for sale or wanted sections chances are a long term member with bundles of posts would generally be more trustworthy than a recent member with 250 posts and loads of sale ads to be honest if you arent prepared to trust fellow members then use the various auction sites in my opinion the sale and wanted sections are only a minor section of a great community :y
yep..most members think in this way including me..however, this leads to new members hardly selling/buying..
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i would of thought if you are using for sale or wanted sections chances are a long term member with bundles of posts would generally be more trustworthy than a recent member with 250 posts and loads of sale ads to be honest if you arent prepared to trust fellow members then use the various auction sites in my opinion the sale and wanted sections are only a minor section of a great community :y
yep..most members think in this way including me..however, this leads to new members hardly selling/buying..
good point :y
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In summation, why do you think we have had to have a 250 postcount for the section? And that we do try to enforce it, in particular with sellers? Buyers with less than 250 posts (generally newbies) are allowed to post wanted in the test section and its then moved for them. :y
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In summation, why do you think we have had to have a 250 postcount for the section? And that we do try to enforce it, in particular with sellers? Buyers with less than 250 posts (generally newbies) are allowed to post wanted in the test section and its then moved for them. :y
agreed with you hotel21.. but this still doesnt guarantee anything for good sellers :-\
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In summation, why do you think we have had to have a 250 postcount for the section? And that we do try to enforce it, in particular with sellers? Buyers with less than 250 posts (generally newbies) are allowed to post wanted in the test section and its then moved for them. :y
agreed with you hotel21.. but this still doesnt guarantee anything for good sellers :-\
But what does?
A seller is only as good as his last deal. If you want feedback to refer to before buying, then buy/sell on E-bay. They have the mechanism already figured out. :y
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2p's worth .... :(
OOF is/was/should be a forum for discussion/repair/help in the running/repairing/maintaining of Omega's
General Discussion and the Buying/Selling sections should be MINOR aspects of the forum, however they seem to have become, in some folks eyes at least, the more important sections.
It is interesting to note that all the "wars" that have occured in the past and lead to folks throwing numerous teddies out of cots or in some cases leaving in whatever manner, have all been over items in Gen Dis and/or Sales.
I can fully understand the frustration Admin/Mods must get in trying to police Sales, and despite their concerted efforts, and oft repeated requests, there are still "uninformative" posts .... look now and there are at least 5 "for Sale" threads that say nothing at all about the items offered. Total shambles IMHO.
Rather than loosening the reins I would prefer to see really hard (ie delete if incorrect) modding of the Sales section. Perhaps the use of a "standard format" for sales items (and delete if not followed) would actually make it more "buyer friendly" in the longer term ??
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In summation, why do you think we have had to have a 250 postcount for the section? And that we do try to enforce it, in particular with sellers? Buyers with less than 250 posts (generally newbies) are allowed to post wanted in the test section and its then moved for them. :y
agreed with you hotel21.. but this still doesnt guarantee anything for good sellers :-\
But what does?
A seller is only as good as his last deal. If you want feedback to refer to before buying, then buy/sell on E-bay. They have the mechanism already figured out. :y
we here, have our numerous methods as daily we face more tricks than any of you ;D
in case admins really interested, I can pm those methods and trust me no way of escaping them :y
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The Admin Team gives up a lot of time freely to ensure smooth(ish!) running of the site.
One thing I would not like to see is an extra burden on them.
As it stands, we can only protect members by only allowing 250 postcount members to sell. Maybe this should be raised, maybe not. This is the only automated method we currently have available to us.
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I'll stick my neck out a tad here and give what I think will be the concerted Admin viewpoint.
No.
That is my personal opinion, and the way I would vote if we did go down that line.
Note, that is my personal view, not necessarily the view of the Admin Team.
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I'll stick my neck out a tad here and give what I think will be the concerted Admin viewpoint.
No.
That is my personal opinion, and the way I would vote if we did go down that line.
Note, that is my personal view, not necessarily the view of the Admin Team.
:-[ Sorry TB. Should also have put in the same caveat. :-[
The 'NO is my personal view and not that of the Mod/Admin team.
I was only guessing..... :-X
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It seems to me that what started as a service to members (finding parts) has become a commercial enterprise for some.
Maybe it's time it went back to the way it started and not the OOF ebay it's become.
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I can definitely say Robg and Albs , top Sellers :y :y :y :y :y
and if you collect you get a nice cuppa coffe and some buiscits buiscuits biccys ;D and some nice company :y :y Albs isnt too bad either :y :y
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imho, buyjng/selling should be a small part of the site. Obviously, those who are trying to use OOF to make a few quid probably see it as the most important part.
That isnt true, and tbh I find it deeply insulting. >:(
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imho, buyjng/selling should be a small part of the site. Obviously, those who are trying to use OOF to make a few quid probably see it as the most important part.
That isnt true, and tbh I find it deeply insulting. >:(
Albs dont take it personal..
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break me Im sorry I mentioned it.Thought it might be a helpful idea and get my neck jumped on by all and sundry and virtually accused of being a ruthless shark, several of whom I believe I have been more than helpful and reasonable with in supplying parts when they required them. ;)
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imho, buyjng/selling should be a small part of the site. Obviously, those who are trying to use OOF to make a few quid probably see it as the most important part.
That isnt true, and tbh I find it deeply insulting. >:(
Albs dont take it personal..
The way it was worded Cem, to me, it was personal. ;)
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can i just say as a fairly new member of OOF and not a old timer i fully respect and listen with interest to your views as well as admiring the hard work and dedication that has gone into making this site what it is and its a credit to all concerned.
when i first joined i was drawn to the parts section having aquired an omega that need work etc . its true to say people are making money dont think its loads of money by what i have seen and experienced in the parts and services that i have purchased but the spirit of OOF goes with each sale and service ie helpfull advice freely given and accesible .....you dont get that on ebay........i think the sales and parts section is impotant ok not the be all and end all but i would rather buy a car or part or get some work done from an OOF member, i think there are more people buying than selling and those sections should not be looked down upon
and another thing if it was not for the parts department and service department i would never have gone to newent and met in my mind one of the nicest bunch of people i have ever met :-* :-* group hug :-* :-*
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can i just say as a fairly new member of OOF and not a old timer i fully respect and listen with interest to your views as well as admiring the hard work and dedication that has gone into making this site what it is and its a credit to all concerned.
when i first joined i was drawn to the parts section having aquired an omega that need work etc . its true to say people are making money dont think its loads of money by what i have seen and experienced in the parts and services that i have purchased but the spirit of OOF goes with each sale and service ie helpfull advice freely given and accesible .....you dont get that on ebay........i think the sales and parts section is impotant ok not the be all and end all but i would rather buy a car or part or get some work done from an OOF member, i think there are more people buying than selling and those sections should not be looked down upon
and another thing if it was not for the parts department and service department i would never have gone to newent and met in my mind one of the nicest bunch of people i have ever met :-* :-* group hug :-* :-*
well said :y :y :y
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Albs, I certainly don't read anything personal in the thread, perhaps you're being a little sensitive :-\
As for a feedback section... I've seen it on a couple of other forums and it has become a horrendous shouting match ::) I wouldn't want to see anything like that on here ;)
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yeah come on Albs sod the comments i would certainley recommend you cost you £1.39 though look mate you dont need feedback anyway your a top bloke ( £1.39) your cheap ( £2.78 ) your helpfull ( £4.17) your honest (5.56) face like a bag of spanner but hey i like you lets call it £7.50 cash :-* :-*
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Paul - you make I larf. ;D ;D ;D
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Albs, I certainly don't read anything personal in the thread, perhaps you're being a little sensitive :-\
As for a feedback section... I've seen it on a couple of other forums and it has become a horrendous shouting match ::) I wouldn't want to see anything like that on here ;)
"those who are using OOF to make a few quid see it (buying/selling) as the most important part of the site".
I dont see how Im not meant to take that personally LD,and tbh, found it pretty offensive.I have been a member here for a long time and 99.9% of what I have posted has been nothing to do with selling. I think you and a lot of other people on here can vouch for the fact that im not a money grabber who thinks making a few quid via OOF is remotely close to the top of my priorities.
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Paul - you make I larf. ;D ;D ;D
oiiiiii thats another £10 and you still owe me a romantic dinner for 2 darling :-* :-*
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I have to say that I am very disappointed with some of the comments in this thread.
Firstly, as someone who actively sells parts on OOF, I would like to make it very clear that no-one will ever become a millionaire doing this!
Secondly, I genuinely believe that having a good supply of good quality, cheap parts is all part of a car forum. The excellent advice given on OOF is great, but sometimes parts simply have to be replaced.
Personally, I only ever advertise parts on OOF first to give fellow members first dibs, after which I sell them on Ebay at higher prices. Up until recently, I thought this was what everyone in OOF wanted. However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to feel that a divide is forming within the forum, with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team.
We have a new format to the Forum now, and I think now is the time to get things back on track. Not just with the trading section, but right across OOF. If it doesn't happen soon, the forum will die and it will be too late.
I know there will be many that will deny this is the case, but I also know that there will be many more that will be silently agreeing with me!
Something to think about...
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I have to say that I am very disappointed with some of the comments in this thread.
Firstly, as someone who actively sells parts on OOF, I would like to make it very clear that no-one will ever become a millionaire doing this!
Secondly, I genuinely believe that having a good supply of good quality, cheap parts is all part of a car forum. The excellent advice given on OOF is great, but sometimes parts simply have to be replaced.
Personally, I only ever advertise parts on OOF first to give fellow members first dibs, after which I sell them on Ebay at higher prices. Up until recently, I thought this was what everyone in OOF wanted. However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to feel that a divide is forming within the forum, with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team.
We have a new format to the Forum now, and I think now is the time to get things back on track. Not just with the trading section, but right across OOF. If it doesn't happen soon, the forum will die and it will be too late.
I know there will be many that will deny this is the case, but I also know that there will be many more that will be silently agreeing with me!
Something to think about...
I agree that selling parts will not make you a Millionaire ;D Also offering parts cheaper on the Forum before selling them for more money on ebay is also fair... I know myself that some not all seem to think that because your on the forum they should get the parts virtually for free ???
Not sure from my point of view though what this is about .. You have put, "with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team" I don't follow that being honest...
The For Sale Section is a pain, the amount of people sending Pm's to the Admin for this not being delivered, being damaged, can't get in touch with this person etc etc is quiet suprising....
Also sellers are now trying to sell their wares in the Help Section & General Chat etc instead of the Sales Area...Personally if it causes trouble get rid....
Anyone that knows Albs, knows he is a fair & helpful guy I know that myself. Not sure however that whatever was said earlier was meant purely for him :-\ so he could have taken it perhaps the wrong way...
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I have to say that I am very disappointed with some of the comments in this thread.
Firstly, as someone who actively sells parts on OOF, I would like to make it very clear that no-one will ever become a millionaire doing this!
Secondly, I genuinely believe that having a good supply of good quality, cheap parts is all part of a car forum. The excellent advice given on OOF is great, but sometimes parts simply have to be replaced.
Personally, I only ever advertise parts on OOF first to give fellow members first dibs, after which I sell them on Ebay at higher prices. Up until recently, I thought this was what everyone in OOF wanted. However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to feel that a divide is forming within the forum, with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team.
We have a new format to the Forum now, and I think now is the time to get things back on track. Not just with the trading section, but right across OOF. If it doesn't happen soon, the forum will die and it will be too late.
I know there will be many that will deny this is the case, but I also know that there will be many more that will be silently agreeing with me!
Something to think about...
I agree that selling parts will not make you a Millionaire ;D Also offering parts cheaper on the Forum before selling them for more money on ebay is also fair... I know myself that some not all seem to think that because your on the forum they should get the parts virtually for free ???
Not sure from my point of view though what this is about .. You have put, "with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team" I don't follow that being honest...
The For Sale Section is a pain, the amount of people sending Pm's to the Admin for this not being delivered, being damaged, can't get in touch with this person etc etc is quiet suprising....
Also sellers are now trying to sell their wares in the Help Section & General Chat etc instead of the Sales Area...Personally if it causes trouble get rid....
Anyone that knows Albs, knows he is a fair & helpful guy I know that myself. Not sure however that whatever was said earlier was meant purely for him :-\ so he could have taken it perhaps the wrong way...
It`s just as well "sellers" don`t PM the admin/s every time a purchaser reneges. :-X
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Well, if we can't talk about the thread in question, what chance has the thread itself got?
I must say I saw the title of this and thought that's just asking for trouble, on both counts, and so it's proved. Easy being wise after and all that but there you go.
Surely those involved can see that admin can't have individuals "using" the forum for personal gain. Now steady, I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but it's point to recognize and be wary off, no?
For info I've had great service from all involved, re parts for sale. It's a part of OOF we need IMO.
Now, where did I put those wing mirrors? ;D
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Secondly, I genuinely believe that having a good supply of good quality, cheap parts is all part of a car forum. The excellent advice given on OOF is great, but sometimes parts simply have to be replaced.
Agreed. :y
Personally, I only ever advertise parts on OOF first to give fellow members first dibs, after which I sell them on Ebay at higher prices. Up until recently, I thought this was what everyone in OOF wanted. However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to feel that a divide is forming within the forum, with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team.
I see it the other way round, with items being pushed for sale in all parts of the forum now, often in help threads where the OP is looking for (and has not yet received) help diagnosing a problem, instead of the parts for sale/wanted area where they belong.
Asking for help and being immediately offered umpteen second hand parts before you have diagnosed the problem is no use to anyone.
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I can see your point in that regard Kevin ( I had a VERY bad day yesterday) but I still think a can of worms has been opened, because the next time a member who is known to charge for mechanical work posts in a help thread "run it over to me" or" I can sort that for you" etc. someone is going to press the alert moderator button,and it would be hypocritical imo not to enforce it. ;)
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I can see your point in that regard Kevin ( I had a VERY bad day yesterday) but I still think a can of worms has been opened, because the next time a member who is known to charge for mechanical work posts in a help thread "run it over to me" or" I can sort that for you" etc. someone is going to press the alert moderator button,and it would be hypocritical imo not to enforce it. ;)
Agreed. :y It's an area that needs watching. We wouldn't want the quality of advice on here (which is second to none) being diluted, and I feel it has of late.
I hope today turns out to be a better one. :y
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imho, buyjng/selling should be a small part of the site. Obviously, those who are trying to use OOF to make a few quid probably see it as the most important part.
That isnt true, and tbh I find it deeply insulting. >:(
Don't be so rather sensitive.
For some sellers, it probably is the most important area.
It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, I guess anyone who thinks that was an insult, assuming they didn't misread my post, count themselves in that category.
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Albs, I certainly don't read anything personal in the thread, perhaps you're being a little sensitive :-\
As for a feedback section... I've seen it on a couple of other forums and it has become a horrendous shouting match ::) I wouldn't want to see anything like that on here ;)
"those who are using OOF to make a few quid see it (buying/selling) as the most important part of the site".
I dont see how Im not meant to take that personally LD,and tbh, found it pretty offensive.I have been a member here for a long time and 99.9% of what I have posted has been nothing to do with selling. I think you and a lot of other people on here can vouch for the fact that im not a money grabber who thinks making a few quid via OOF is remotely close to the top of my priorities.
Albs, if you are going to quote me, at least quote what I say, not make up what I actually posted.
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but i would rather buy a car or part or get some work done from an OOF member, i think there are more people buying than selling and those sections should not be looked down upon
Hmmm, I'm not sure TheDaddy would agree, having bought a car from a member, take had recently had HG done by another member, only no way were those HG new
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FFS, I give up. Maybe I see things too black and White.
The trading sections are important and useful. No doubt. Worth the headaches? I say no, Admin Team consensus is yes.
But trading must be kept to trading sections, allowing it into help sections is open to abuse and dealer-style diagnosis.
I count sellers, repairers, tech2 owners all the same, and should he treated the same
Right, I'm off to get some string to restrain toys, as they are on the way out
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ALBS! Now look what you've done! I'll have to cheer him up with a curry now! >:(
;D
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Did somebody mention Curry?
I owe you a curry, actually, Chrisgixer, and a new screwdriver and 3 leg puller. Don't let me forget. ;)
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Ooh yeah. He'll behave if there 3 of us. Gets frisky else! :y
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Did somebody mention Curry?
I owe you a curry, actually, Chrisgixer, and a new screwdriver and 3 leg puller. Don't let me forget. ;)
I hope you've not been pulling Chris's 3rd leg.. (I know, I had to strain for that joke a bit)
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I didnt deliberately misquote Jaime,just tried to remember what was said. I dont think my "quote" fundamentaaly altered what was in his original post. We have exchanged PM,s on the subject, and the tone on both sides was very different to the posts in the thread.
I think this has been done to death now,and starting to go round in circles.Needless to say, Im not going to go with the original idea of the thread.
Admins feel free to lock if you think apt. ;)
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locking ??? , no way ;D
today I was busy writing the following section in notepad
when my mobile ring and a woman warn me and say you didnt come to your appointment.. :-[ :-[
opps.. I forgot my promise from last week.. and now I remember I forgot another job I had to do.. :(
so will cut the writing a bit short.. (sorry for mistakes I will make as no editing is possible)
ok.. I can see the point of admins..they have their lifes, their jobs,
their normal duties plus managing/running OOF everyday and every hour..
so not an easy life.. and who will want an extra headache from the sales
section where things can really mess up and needs police intervention..
I must admit I too wouldnt want to involve in the last part..
however this picture, reflects only one side..
on the other side with many members and cars, there is a high demand for
cheap parts and mechanical work to be done obviously as not everyone
is a mechanic expert or highly experienced dyer .. Also not every one have
time to repair self or got the necessary tools..
And not everyone have the budget to pay for brand new parts..
Although this site aims mostly to help the dyer , its a fact that a high
percentage of members cant do it themselves.. because theory is not the same as
practice..
Now the subject for sellers and buyers..its not unusual for members here to earn few quids..
I believe none of us have easy lifes.. and this money wont make us rich as Darth pointed out..
there are many highly trustable sellers and buyers , which I had the chance to know a few of them.. :) :y
but because of some rotten apples its not practical or correct to see everyone to be a potential shark.. :-\
now the sales section..
although the sales section is simply a burning stove, it must be handled somehow..
here I dont mean any offence to admins as they do their best.. but I want to say this section requires
more time and attention and arrangement as it can easily open a can of worms which the admins currently trying
to prevent .. as I said in an other thread, there are methods that can at least drop the percentage of disagreements
which trading sites already apply..yes,I know ebay is there but who prefers it..
there can be several precautions that can be made..
for example there are warnings in sale section (both car and parts) but according to my limited law knowledge
say, here it wont stop your liability in disputes.. so a legal warning with no liability claims is accepted for transactions
involved via OOF etc etc paragraph for the members will be useful imo.. (dont know about UK laws something similiar can be written)
also as a suggestion, it may be better to manage the sales section by a group of
proven sellers/buyers which may take part voluntarily.. also members entering this zone (buying or selling)
must give their personal info to section admins and pay some money via a bank transfer.. also newbies
trying to buy/sell parts can take their approval.. etc etc..
these are all my suggestions of course.. and I'm aware that the applicability of these ideas depends on
general acceptance from the admin team and the physical possibilities.. :-\
personally I'm fed up buying expensive parts from opel services and I buy them from OOF sellers..
so I think it tells many thing simply.. :) :y
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I didnt deliberately misquote Jaime,just tried to remember what was said. I dont think my "quote" fundamentaaly altered what was in his original post. We have exchanged PM,s on the subject, and the tone on both sides was very different to the posts in the thread.
I think this has been done to death now,and starting to go round in circles.Needless to say, Im not going to go with the original idea of the thread.
Admins feel free to lock if you think apt. ;)
Well that's good of you Albs. ;D
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Looks like your Phd in low level sarcasm is coming along nicely Chris. ;D
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Secondly, I genuinely believe that having a good supply of good quality, cheap parts is all part of a car forum. The excellent advice given on OOF is great, but sometimes parts simply have to be replaced.
Agreed. :y
Personally, I only ever advertise parts on OOF first to give fellow members first dibs, after which I sell them on Ebay at higher prices. Up until recently, I thought this was what everyone in OOF wanted. However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to feel that a divide is forming within the forum, with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team.
I see it the other way round, with items being pushed for sale in all parts of the forum now, often in help threads where the OP is looking for (and has not yet received) help diagnosing a problem, instead of the parts for sale/wanted area where they belong.
Asking for help and being immediately offered umpteen second hand parts before you have diagnosed the problem is no use to anyone.
I take your point Kevin. I will hold my hand up and say I have done this several times recently. Not because I am trying to make my fortune by shifting parts on OOF, but because I was genuinely trying to help the OP's resolve their issues. I genuinely didn't realise that doing this was causing issues within the admin team, or with other OOF members. However, Now that I've been made aware that it clearly is, I will no longer be posting and offering parts in the advice sections.
I would just like to say though, that sometimes members do not have the technical knowledge and abilities that some senior members take for granted. I'd like to use this thread as an example...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=93799.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=93799.0)
Kevin gave the OP a brilliant 'how to' showing him how to repair his central locking motor/solenoid, whereas I (rightly or wrongly) gave the OP the option of a replacement part. At the end of the day, the OP said he would prefer to simply replace to part. I'm not saying that this is always the case, but I really don't see how giving people the option can be anything other than a good thing.
TB is right, when it comes to members needing to keep their cars on the road, the forum should treat anyone offering parts, labour or tech2 services the same. However, I not convinced that this is the case at present.
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well all in all think that all went well :o :o at least nobody got upset
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As said, you'll never become a millionaire selling old Omega parts but you should be able to make at least a bag of sand from a v6 Elite.
I've sold numerous items on this site but when 'customers' try and leave positive 'feedback' on the Forum they often have the post removed, yet you are allowed to sing the praises of established members with no reprisals.
Like most things in life it's all to do with who you know and does your face fit.
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As said, you'll never become a millionaire selling old Omega parts but you should be able to make at least a bag of sand from a v6 Elite.
I've sold numerous items on this site but when 'customers' try and leave positive 'feedback' on the Forum they often have the post removed, yet you are allowed to sing the praises of established members with no reprisals.
Like most things in life it's all to do with who you know and does your face fit.
I have not yet seen any Thank You's removed from either someone pleased with Parts or Work done.
I would be intrested for you to show me which you are refering too, by PM if you prefer.
Cheers
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As said, you'll never become a millionaire selling old Omega parts but you should be able to make at least a bag of sand from a v6 Elite.
I've sold numerous items on this site but when 'customers' try and leave positive 'feedback' on the Forum they often have the post removed, yet you are allowed to sing the praises of established members with no reprisals.
Like most things in life it's all to do with who you know and does your face fit.
I have not yet seen any Thank You's removed from either someone pleased with Parts or Work done.
I would be intrested for you to show me which you are refering too, by PM if you prefer.
Cheers
I can't recall any votes of thanks ever being removed either, so I'd also be interested.
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As said, you'll never become a millionaire selling old Omega parts but you should be able to make at least a bag of sand from a v6 Elite.
I've sold numerous items on this site but when 'customers' try and leave positive 'feedback' on the Forum they often have the post removed, yet you are allowed to sing the praises of established members with no reprisals.
Like most things in life it's all to do with who you know and does your face fit.
I have not yet seen any Thank You's removed from either someone pleased with Parts or Work done.
I would be intrested for you to show me which you are refering too, by PM if you prefer.
Cheers
I can't recall any votes of thanks ever being removed either, so I'd also be interested.
Couldn't be bothered to comment on this, but I was thinking the same ::) Although I wouldn't necessarily know as I can't see the "Recycle Bin" ;D ;D
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Couldn't be bothered to comment on this, but I was thinking the same ::) Although I wouldn't necessarily know as I can't see the "Recycle Bin" ;D ;D
I can see it, but it's normally too full of post counts... ::)
;)
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Couldn't be bothered to comment on this, but I was thinking the same ::) Although I wouldn't necessarily know as I can't see the "Recycle Bin" ;D ;D
I can see it, but it's normally too full of post counts... ::)
;)
Don't you start... I've been a good boy lately :-X ::)
I suppose someone has to be the first to lose them on the new site... ::) ::)
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Couldn't be bothered to comment on this, but I was thinking the same ::) Although I wouldn't necessarily know as I can't see the "Recycle Bin" ;D ;D
I can see it, but it's normally too full of post counts... ::)
;)
Don't you start... I've been a good boy lately :-X ::)
I suppose someone has to be the first to lose them on the new site... ::) ::)
Completely slipped my mind!
Thanks for reminding me though... ;)
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I've sold numerous items on this site but when 'customers' try and leave positive 'feedback' on the Forum they often have the post removed, yet you are allowed to sing the praises of established members with no reprisals.
Like most things in life it's all to do with who you know and does your face fit.
That bit made me giggle.... ;D
Is your memory so bad that you have conveniently forgotten the pain in the ring that you made yourself into when you first joined the forum, merely to break a car/sell parts, totally ignoring the forum guidelines, and scattering parts for sale posts around the forum like a fitting mad dogs poo? Indeed, if I remember correctly, the result of your piddling about was the catalyst for the postcount being raised from 50 to 250.
Like the rest of the admin team, would be interested in viewing any specific references to positive feedback being discriminated against (yourself in particular, one must presume?) so that it can be investigated further....
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I do make most of my money from repairing, servicing and breaking Omegas and MX5s and I always advertise on the forum first because its free but I have said to many people, if there's a part that's going to the breakers and no ones interested in it, they're more than welcome to come and remove and have that part free of charge. I also have loads of keys and owners manuals that I have kept so that they can be sold in the forum shop and the proceeds used to help with the forum up keep. If the for sale section goes, it will cost me more in Ebay fee's but saying that I will make more because the majority of items sell for more on Ebay. I think the increase in people breaking Omegas has been better for the people buying parts because the prices have dropped :)
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I'm all for this as have been bitten twice by BUYERS. Perhaps I have been foolish by sending stuff straight away. But am still waiting payment. Not huge sums, one for about £7, the other for £35.
Still they can rot for all I care.
My point is that buyers need to be rated as well as sellers.
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Scrap the go-cart meet
Lets have a boxing match instead :-X :-X :-X
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I do make most of my money from repairing, servicing and breaking Omegas and MX5s and I always advertise on the forum first because its free but I have said to many people, if there's a part that's going to the breakers and no ones interested in it, they're more than welcome to come and remove and have that part free of charge. I also have loads of keys and owners manuals that I have kept so that they can be sold in the forum shop and the proceeds used to help with the forum up keep. If the for sale section goes, it will cost me more in Ebay fee's but saying that I will make more because the majority of items sell for more on Ebay. I think the increase in people breaking Omegas has been better for the people buying parts because the prices have dropped :)
Its true ............... I went to Pete in the week for some stuff and had to force him to take payment for some boot struts.
Top bloke and as a seller gets 110% from this buyer :y :y :y
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So this clique... Are we re-writing the meaning of the word? As in, those that follow and understand the rules, and the need for the rules in the first place, being in
this so called clique.
... And those that want to do as they like, be the centre of the universe and stuff everyone else because they own the place, when they clearly do not... They're not in the clique and hate and despise this group because of it. Or similar...?
The guy(s) who run(s) this forum does best he/they can with what he/they have available to them. It's not "your" forum. It's not "your" server or "your" time spent dealing with it all so it runs as smoothly as it can.
We are actually in his/they're house! Open doors via the Internet so to speak.
We're invited in given rules any house trained adult can understand, then promptly drop trousers and crap on the floor with shoes still on.
FFS behave!
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I do make most of my money from repairing, servicing and breaking Omegas and MX5s and I always advertise on the forum first because its free but I have said to many people, if there's a part that's going to the breakers and no ones interested in it, they're more than welcome to come and remove and have that part free of charge. I also have loads of keys and owners manuals that I have kept so that they can be sold in the forum shop and the proceeds used to help with the forum up keep. If the for sale section goes, it will cost me more in Ebay fee's but saying that I will make more because the majority of items sell for more on Ebay. I think the increase in people breaking Omegas has been better for the people buying parts because the prices have dropped :)
Its true ............... I went to Pete in the week for some stuff and had to force him to take payment for some boot struts.
Top bloke and as a seller gets 110% from this buyer :y :y :y
In which case its nice to read that in the Discussion Area or Car Chat, which I might add no one has yet said there is anything wrong with.....It looks good for Pete (using Pete as an e.g as you have mentioned him) as a Valued Member of the Forum, also gives a sense of Pride that you have helped someone...
At the same token though if Pete (sorry Youth ;D) sold a Part that was under the quality that the buyer expected, and then Pete had no interest in either replacing the part, refunding, or coming to a decision between the two parties... I think it is fair to say that Bad Feedback would be justified. I personally would not delete such a post.
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Is your memory so bad that you have conveniently forgotten the pain in the ring that you made yourself into when you first joined the forum...
I don't know, I've forgotten. I am fairly sure though that the post count requirement has always been 250 to access the 'for sale' area of the Forum in my time here so you can't blame that on me!
Like the rest of the admin team, would be interested in viewing any specific references to positive feedback being discriminated against (yourself in particular, one must presume?) so that it can be investigated further....
The post I'm on about was by 'shakeng' thanking me for a bumper I had sold to him, he was pleased with my efforts and posted a brief thankyou on the Forum which was deleted. It may have been before I reached the required post count number to enable selling.
I've also had several threads deleted in the 'for sale' area during my time here.
I'm not moaning and don't feel hard done by, quite the opposite in fact.
I do appreciate the fact that I am allowed to use the forum and I don't just see it as a place to make make a little extra cash. I have loaned an engine hoist to a Forum member and didn't ask him for any payment or security, even delivered it to him and collected it too. Also I'm sure at least one or two of my posts must have helped someone solve a problem with their car.
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Is your memory so bad that you have conveniently forgotten the pain in the ring that you made yourself into when you first joined the forum...
I don't know, I've forgotten. I am fairly sure though that the post count requirement has always been 250 to access the 'for sale' area of the Forum in my time here so you can't blame that on me!
Oh yes we can! ;D [/best panto voice]
The post I'm on about was by 'shakeng' thanking me for a bumper I had sold to him, he was pleased with my efforts and posted a brief thankyou on the Forum which was deleted. It may have been before I reached the required post count number to enable selling.
You answered your own question there then. Thats one (singular) reference. Any others?
I've also had several threads deleted in the 'for sale' area during my time here.
That would be where you did not conform to the forum guidelines in force at that time, and explained to you when deleted.
I'm not moaning and don't feel hard done by, quite the opposite in fact.
Good to hear. Glad we finally reached an agreement :y
I do appreciate the fact that I am allowed to use the forum and I don't just see it as a place to make make a little extra cash.
??? ::)
I have loaned an engine hoist to a Forum member and didn't ask him for any payment or security, even delivered it to him and collected it too. Also I'm sure at least one or two of my posts must have helped someone solve a problem with their car.
And that, finally, is the spirit of the forum we have been striving to get across to yourself and others. Well done. Long may you continue in the same veign. :y
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I do make most of my money from repairing, servicing and breaking Omegas and MX5s and I always advertise on the forum first because its free but I have said to many people, if there's a part that's going to the breakers and no ones interested in it, they're more than welcome to come and remove and have that part free of charge. I also have loads of keys and owners manuals that I have kept so that they can be sold in the forum shop and the proceeds used to help with the forum up keep. If the for sale section goes, it will cost me more in Ebay fee's but saying that I will make more because the majority of items sell for more on Ebay. I think the increase in people breaking Omegas has been better for the people buying parts because the prices have dropped :)
Its true ............... I went to Pete in the week for some stuff and had to force him to take payment for some boot struts.
Top bloke and as a seller gets 110% from this buyer :y :y :y
In which case its nice to read that in the Discussion Area or Car Chat, which I might add no one has yet said there is anything wrong with.....It looks good for Pete (using Pete as an e.g as you have mentioned him) as a Valued Member of the Forum, also gives a sense of Pride that you have helped someone...
At the same token though if Pete (sorry Youth ;D) sold a Part that was under the quality that the buyer expected, and then Pete had no interest in either replacing the part, refunding, or coming to a decision between the two parties... I think it is fair to say that Bad Feedback would be justified. I personally would not delete such a post.
Indeed - if a seller/repairer/Uncle Tom Cobley goes beyond what is expected, I'm sure everyone would like to know. If said seller/repairer/whoever underdelivers, then people need to know IMHO.
There is a sticky in the Part For Sale section listing duff selling transactions that we have been made aware of. We deemed it unnecessary for Cars For Sale, due to the nature of car selling. We are not in a position to have a 'need a repair to your car' area, so we have nothing for the mechanics here.
As said, if a seller/repairer/etc does what is expected of them, thats BAU in my book. Its when they excel or underperform that we need to know...