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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: bob.dent on 16 November 2011, 11:03:44
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15744352
So the do gooders are at it again!! Not happy with banning smokers from nearly everywhere except their own homes, these rather do gooders are trying to make it illegal to smoke in our own bought and paid for environment.....our own cars!! >:( >:(
Now I know there are probably a fair few non-smokers on here that may or may not agree with this ridiculous proposal but at the end of the day smokers have rights too for chrissake (yes, I am a smoker ::)). This is just more nanny state crap from tossers who really don't live in the real world. >:( Wether you choose to smoke, drink or indulge in any other form of enjoyment, why do we need these idiots to tell us what to do? Oh, and I'd love to know how they expect our already overstretched police to reinforce such a ban. ::)
Discuss...........
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Im an ex smoker.I hate the smell of stale tobacco in a car,but these fascists have no right whatsoever to tell people what they can or cant do in their own cars.I wouldnt want to sit in a car with a pile of fresh dogsh1t on the back seat either,but that doesnt mean that some power crazy d1ckhead has the right to make a law against it.If you dont like the smell (or exaggerated health risk) associated with a persons car - catch a bus,dont legislate their individuality out of existence. >:(
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Discuss...........
I agree with you! :y (ex-smoker of 25yrs +)
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Never smoked, although I'm tempted to try a cigar one day :-\
Hated smoke in pubs, clothes stinking of it, generally pubs/bars have low ceilings & when your 6ft5 you end up with your head in the smoke!
I liked that ban personally, in cars however, cannot see the point. Its your car, your choice. Its not affecting anyone else :-\
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I also agree that it's a step too far, smokers have to be able to relax in their own cars, and I'm a non-smoker who hates it. If I'm in a smoker's car, they can smoke as much as they want, I'm in their 'property'
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Just to add.....I don't very often smoke in my car apart from long journey's in which case I'll open the window, and I certainly don't do it with kids or non-smoking pasengers, but I don't need these idiots to tell me. >:(
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Its little to do with health,and everything to do with control. The Tories should have been well into the process of dismantling the apparatus of this semi fascist state by now. >:(
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Im an ex smoker.I hate the smell of stale tobacco in a car,but these fascists have no right whatsoever to tell people what they can or cant do in their own cars.I wouldnt want to sit in a car with a pile of fresh dogsh1t on the back seat either,but that doesnt mean that some power crazy d1ckhead has the right to make a law against it.If you dont like the smell (or exaggerated health risk) associated with a persons car - catch a bus,dont legislate their individuality out of existence. >:(
I hear once they have banned smoking in cars, they are gonna ban chewing cigarette gum as well!! :D :-X
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And then those gay plastic cigarettes. ::) :P ;D
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Touche!! :y
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
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Its little to do with health,and everything to do with control. The Tories should have been well into the process of dismantling the apparatus of this semi fascist state by now. >:(
Spot on, Albs.
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
I personally do not do either of those thing Matt, but I don't find smoking a distraction when driving. I think sneezing while driving is probably more of a distraction and has been known to cause accidents, so are they going to ban that?!! Where do you draw the line? I think good old common sense needs to be used rather than bullying tactics. ::)
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
You normally have the ciggy either in your mouth or between your fingers,but it doesnt prevent you from having both hands on the wheel 99% of the time.
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I Dont smoke, but dont have a problem with it either, and do enjoy a cigar now and again (read 2-3 a year tops)
What worries me is the increased road rage from those addicted to their nicotine fix....Wont be pleasant on the road with 'a lot of deprived addicts' about behind the wheel - and no offence intended at all to any smokers in that statement.
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
You normally have the ciggy either in your mouth or between your fingers,but it doesnt prevent you from having both hands on the wheel 99% of the time.
yep..
I'm also a smoker..but why on earth they are forbidding something sold freely.. if its that bad, stop producing tobaccos and dont sell it.. ;D
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I Dont smoke, but dont have a problem with it either, and do enjoy a cigar now and again (read 2-3 a year tops)
What worries me is the increased road rage from those addicted to their nicotine fix....Wont be pleasant on the road with 'a lot of deprived addicts' about behind the wheel - and no offence intended at all to any smokers in that statement.
You've got a good point there James. Although I don't get uptight if I don't have a smoke, I'm sure there would very likely be a lot more incidents of road rage. You only have to look at the number of incidents where people still try and light up on aircraft despite the long standing ban.
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
I personally do not do either of those thing Matt, but I don't find smoking a distraction when driving. I think sneezing while driving is probably more of a distraction and has been known to cause accidents, so are they going to ban that?!! Where do you draw the line? I think good old common sense needs to be used rather than bullying tactics. ::)
Maybe so in your experience but I know of many people who have nearly crashed because they dropped the cigarette or part of the hot ash fell in their lap.
Plus it gets on my tits when I see people just chucking them out of their car window. They are not biodegradable.
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
I personally do not do either of those thing Matt, but I don't find smoking a distraction when driving. I think sneezing while driving is probably more of a distraction and has been known to cause accidents, so are they going to ban that?!! Where do you draw the line? I think good old common sense needs to be used rather than bullying tactics. ::)
Maybe so in your experience but I know of many people who have nearly crashed because they dropped the cigarette or part of the hot ash fell in their lap.
Plus it gets on my tits when I see people just chucking them out of their car window. They are not biodegradable.
Agreed.Its lethal if someone is behind on a motorbike or bicycle. :y
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
You normally have the ciggy either in your mouth or between your fingers,but it doesnt prevent you from having both hands on the wheel 99% of the time.
yep..
I'm also a smoker..but why on earth they are forbidding something sold freely.. if its that bad, stop producing tobaccos and dont sell it.. ;D
That's easy to answer Cem, they would lose £millions in lost revenue on tobacco duty!
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Its little to do with health,and everything to do with control. The Tories should have been well into the process of dismantling the apparatus of this semi fascist state by now. >:(
I don't think the EU judges will let them: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062029/Dont-push-luck-judge-tells-Euro-court-new-rights-showdown.html
But we're all going to be speaking German soon, anyway: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062015/Eurozone-crisis-Merkel-ally-says-UK-fall-line-oppose-Tobin-tax.html
(Sorry, I can't resist stirring the pot with a bit of wholly biased media.. ;D)
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Enjoyed my last gasper in 1980. My last pack (Gold Leaf) cost 51p for twenty. Smoking in cars is fine. However, I'm Not sure it's a good idea to do it with small kids present, and all the windows closed. ;)
As a small kid in the sixties, I can well remember my teacher (Mr Evans the bastard) would smoke almost continually/continuously whilst teaching us.
We thought nothing of it... :)
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
I personally do not do either of those thing Matt, but I don't find smoking a distraction when driving. I think sneezing while driving is probably more of a distraction and has been known to cause accidents, so are they going to ban that?!! Where do you draw the line? I think good old common sense needs to be used rather than bullying tactics. ::)
Maybe so in your experience but I know of many people who have nearly crashed because they dropped the cigarette or part of the hot ash fell in their lap.
Plus it gets on my tits when I see people just chucking them out of their car window. They are not biodegradable.
Nor is a the huge amount of rubbish discarded daily by most of the population! ::)
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I note the media are miss reporting this one again as the initial proposal is to ban smoking in cars when carrying minors......which to me is no bad thing.
There is then a further arguement for the future I guess to look for a total ban in the future.
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
You normally have the ciggy either in your mouth or between your fingers,but it doesnt prevent you from having both hands on the wheel 99% of the time.
yep..
I'm also a smoker..but why on earth they are forbidding something sold freely.. if its that bad, stop producing tobaccos and dont sell it.. ;D
That's easy to answer Cem, they would lose £millions in lost revenue on tobacco duty!
yes.. taxes for govt.. and the main profit goes to tobacco companies and some % to some.. capitalism.. ;D
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If you could trust the driver of the car to not smoke in the presence on non smokers then fair enough but most smokers couldn't give a toss what effect they have on the people around them >:(
If they want to kill themselfs off quicker, thats up to them.
Just don't poison the people around you ;)
So I say ban it :y
I'm a ex smoker of 15 years who stopped instantly after watching a family member rot away with lung cancer :(
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FACIST NANNY STATE >:( >:( >:( When will they do something useful, next you know we will not be able to have a say on Europe. ;D
I am an ex smoker, I wish that I'd never started the dirty disgusting habit, but it was my choice. I don't agree with banning it in pubs a smoke room was perfectly acceptable for those to enjoy a fag with their pint. Now to get a pint I have to walk through a disgusting fog just to get into the boozer, and don't tell me the ban didn't affect the business.
If people come to my house socially they are at liberty to smoke indoors, not be sent outside to the naughty step. However it's a no no in my car because of the confined enviroment.They can do what they want in theirs, dogging if that floats their boat, 'Sorry sir that lady appears to be smoking a cigar in you car!!. ;D ;D
I can't agree to smoking around children their health is more important. :y
The road rage is a very valid point, and despite the fact that alcohol was blamed for a rise in air rage following the airlines banning smoking it was nicotine withdrawal. We flew to the Canaries, and after 5 hours without a fag I was homicdal at the smallest irritation.
They can't stop mobile phone use which is a dangerous distraction so how the hell are the police going to enforce this one, have they now't better to do?
Bloody barmey, and when tabacco is finally reduced to the status of a class A drug just what will they tax to replace the vast revenues the exchequer gets from smokers. >:( >:( >:(
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A few views on this
Chucking fag ash and fag ends out of windows should carry the death sentence, carried out by bikers hit in the eyes by this shit.
Sorry but losing vision at the top of Haldon Hill on those bends is no laughing matter. I was lucking there was noone behind me when I emergency stopped in the middle of the dual carriageway.
As to in cars - no children and keep the window closed as it can still get past my pollen filter.
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59 pubs ae closing a month. 24000 jobs gone so far and a loss of 6billion in revenue a yr. because the non smokers of which about 90 percent wanted smoking banned from pubs don't even go to pubs
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I thought this issue might open a can of worms but this thread is about potentially banning smoking in your car, not a slanging match between smokers and non-smokers. Lets keep it friendly and on subject. :y
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FACIST NANNY STATE >:( >:( >:( When will they do something useful, next you know we will not be able to have a say on Europe. ;D
I am an ex smoker, I wish that I'd never started the dirty disgusting habit, but it was my choice. I don't agree with banning it in pubs a smoke room was perfectly acceptable for those to enjoy a fag with their pint. Now to get a pint I have to walk through a disgusting fog just to get into the boozer, and don't tell the ban didn't affect the business.
If people come to my house socially they are at liberty to smoke indoors, not be sent outside to the naughty step. However it's a no no in my car because of the confined enviroment.They can do what they want in theirs, dogging if that floats their boat, 'Sorry sir that lady appears to be smoking a cigar in you car!!. ;D ;D
I can't agree to smoking around children their health is more important. :y
The road rage is a very valid point, and despite fact that alcohol was blamed for a rise in air rage following the airlines banning smoking it was nicotine withdrawal. We flew to the Canaries, and after 5 hours without a fag I was homicdal at the smallest irritation.
They can't stop mobile phone use which is a dangerous distraction so how the hell are the police going to enforce this one, have they now't better to do?
Bloody barmey, and when tabacco is finally reduced to the status of a class A drug just what will they tax to replace the vast revenues the exchequer gets from smokers. >:( >:( >:(
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I object to only one point.. it was not our choice.. as a very young person when I started (probably 16-17 cant remember now ) most of the community around us were smoking and it was a sign that you want to show "I'm grown up" ;D
most of you will remember the alpha male in Marlboro ad they show before the films.. an image and an idea created in our minds.. you want to be a man , smoke cigarette >:(
and one more point.. nicotine is same class chemical (and have similiar molecular structure) as those addictive expensive stuff .. so not different..
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Tobacco is already classed as class A by some people.
My view is this, if tobacco is legal so should cannabis, if cannabis is illegal so should tobacco, as tobacco is more harmfull*
Think of the tax legalising cannabis would raise.
* known partakers of both, only issue I have seen is pot users getting addicted to tobacco.
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Tobacco is already classed as class A by some people.
My view is this, if tobacco is legal so should cannabis, if cannabis is illegal so should tobacco, as tobacco is more harmfull*
Think of the tax legalising cannabis would raise.
* known partakers of both, only issue I have seen is pot users getting addicted to tobacco.
Cannabis use often causes horrific mental health issues.Anyone who works in mental health these days will probably tell you that their wards are full of young people suffering the effects of cannabis use.Self harming,attempted or actual suicide etc.Any politician who legalises it should be hung, drawn and quartered imo.
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Tobacco is already classed as class A by some people.
My view is this, if tobacco is legal so should cannabis, if cannabis is illegal so should tobacco, as tobacco is more harmfull*
Think of the tax legalising cannabis would raise.
* known partakers of both, only issue I have seen is pot users getting addicted to tobacco.
not true. i know people who smoke pot but not cigarettes. i actually smoked less fags when i smoked pot. but no 2 persons are the same. i would rather sit in a bar having a spliff than a pint. more relaxing in my opinion. just don't mix the 2 together.
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I thought this issue might open a can of worms but this thread is about potentially banning smoking in your car, not a slanging match between smokers and non-smokers. Lets keep it friendly and on subject. :y
Yes, well said Bob.
On the subject of the OP this is yet another regulation (should it ever be enacted) that will be easy to police by remote means - cameras or anti smoking while driving or sitting in a motor vehicle wardens – and one which will ultimately provide more than sufficient funds for the private enterprise group/s that will no doubt be charged with running the scheme and for the government who will siphon off sufficient money to help ‘run’ the country.
As everyone is now on some database or other, there will be nowhere for the law abiding driver to hide.
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Tobacco is already classed as class A by some people.
My view is this, if tobacco is legal so should cannabis, if cannabis is illegal so should tobacco, as tobacco is more harmfull*
Think of the tax legalising cannabis would raise.
* known partakers of both, only issue I have seen is pot users getting addicted to tobacco.
not true. i know people who smoke pot but not cigarettes. i actually smoked less fags when i smoked pot. but no 2 persons are the same. i would rather sit in a bar having a spliff than a pint. more relaxing in my opinion. just don't mix the 2 together.
Or both...... ;)
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
I personally do not do either of those thing Matt, but I don't find smoking a distraction when driving. I think sneezing while driving is probably more of a distraction and has been known to cause accidents, so are they going to ban that?!! Where do you draw the line? I think good old common sense needs to be used rather than bullying tactics. ::)
Maybe so in your experience but I know of many people who have nearly crashed because they dropped the cigarette or part of the hot ash fell in their lap.
Plus it gets on my tits when I see people just chucking them out of their car window. They are not biodegradable.
Nor is a the huge amount of rubbish discarded daily by most of the population! ::)
It still doesn't justify the action. Discarding rubbish also gets on my tits, even more so on the water
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you tell me how many pubs have shut down because of the smoking ban there will be a few and cafes have closed because of it
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As most know, I smoke ::) I also smoke in the car ::)
But, if I have non-smoking passengers I don't smoke except in exceptional circumstances and with their permission.
I even try to be considerate in the open air and stand away from non smokers if I can.
I can't smoke in my van because it's a workplace (not that I'd want to risk it with up to 440L of mixed fuel sloshing about behind me anyway :o) which is fine. In fact, it might help me decide to give up... I'm nearly at the point that I want to :y
But banning it in cars is, IMHO, a step too far >:(
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... ban production of cigarettes, job done!
I've been in your car Bob, as you may remember :) and being an ex smoker that can smell ash tray and smoke stench from 50yards, there was no smell at all iirc...? So guessing it's no biggy for you...?
I agree with a ban totally. However there are far more serious things to worry about IMO. Even though I can smell a smoker in the car in front when sat in my own car with windows shut. >:(
If smoking in a car, the smoker should be forced to drive with thier own window shut, not just for benefit of others, but to bang home how really unpleasant it is, even for the smoker. I mean why else do they drive with the window open? Because it's a bloody awful habit is why.
Also shows the strength of the "drug" that people are prepared to endure it.
Obviously a ban is in force for company vehicles, and others in the car should be protected from the filth also. Now it's to protect the smoker from themselves. Although in the last instance, a ban there implies authorities believe all else is right with the world, which is a little disturbing IMO!
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if they ban smoking they will put petrol up even more they have to get the money some how and car drivers are an easy touch
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Bloody barmey, and when tabacco is finally reduced to the status of a class A drug just what will they tax to replace the vast revenues the exchequer gets from smokers. >:( >:( >:(
Well, it won't be alcohol as this is now well within the Health Nazi's sights and will probably be made class A drug at the same time. So it will have to be fuel, so you won't be able to afford to run a car, let along drive a car and smoke your illegal black-market class A at the same time. :o :o :o
I've never smoked, but if it is legal then I think a sensible approach to protect smokers and non-smokers rights is needed. Pubs, restaurants having a smoking room would have been more sensible and done less damage to their businesses. This combined with the minimum wage, health and safety, council alcohol and entertainment licencing Nazis is slowly but surely kill the main focal point of British communities the pub and social clubs. >:( >:( >:(
If people want to smoke in their cars, what is the problem? I can see where this is heading next, after that, it will be a ban on smoking in homes where under 18's live, with children taken into care if the adults don't comply. ::) ::)
Once, the health Nazis have finished with smoking, it will then be drinking, how long before pedestrians can be Breathalyzed and if over a limit deemed safe, they get an on the spot fine and an automatic 7 day drink banning order. ::) ::) ::)
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I do not smoke in my car, can't stand the smell of stale tobacco, that's why I prefer to travel in other peoples cars ::)
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
I personally do not do either of those thing Matt, but I don't find smoking a distraction when driving. I think sneezing while driving is probably more of a distraction and has been known to cause accidents, so are they going to ban that?!! Where do you draw the line? I think good old common sense needs to be used rather than bullying tactics. ::)
It isn't just the drivers smoking that will be affected should such a ban come into place, it will be any occupant of the car...
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... ban production of cigarettes, job done!
I've been in your car Bob, as you may remember :) and being an ex smoker that can smell ash tray and smoke stench from 50yards, there was no smell at all iirc...? So guessing it's no biggy for you...?
I agree with a ban totally. However there are far more serious things to worry about IMO. Even though I can smell a smoker in the car in front when sat in my own car with windows shut. >:(
If smoking in a car, the smoker should be forced to drive with thier own window shut, not just for benefit of others, but to bang home how really unpleasant it is, even for the smoker. I mean why else do they drive with the window open? Because it's a bloody awful habit is why.
Also shows the strength of the "drug" that people are prepared to endure it.
Obviously a ban is in force for company vehicles, and others in the car should be protected from the filth also. Now it's to protect the smoker from themselves. Although in the last instance, a ban there implies authorities believe all else is right with the world, which is a little disturbing IMO!
Oh come on Chris, lets be sensible about this. ::) With that statement you might as well say ok, lets ban everything thats bad for you or anything that affects other people - ban alcohol as it kills thousands each year, causes violent behaviour, and costs the NHS a fortune. Ban sweets and cakes as it makes people obese, rots teeth and costs the NHS a fortune, ban the internal cobustion engine as it's pollution affects everybody and makes people ill......and so on and so on. Where do you draw the line? There's very little a person can do these days without affecting others in some form or another. Smoking is an individual choice like all of these things. If I could live my life again, without a doubt I would not never start smoking but when I started there was little known about the dangers associated with it and as Cem mentioned in his post, it was actually encouraged and glamourised. Let's not forget, during the war the government actually supplied our forces with free cigarettes. Sorry to bang on, but my opinion would remain the same wether I smoked or not - freedom of choice, and I get fed up with being treated like some kind of lepper for something I chose to do all those years ago. Bugger, now I'm going off topic - this was supposed to be about banning smoking in cars! ::)
Yes, you're right about the car - I don't very often smoke in it but when I do it's normally on a long run with the window open but I doubt if anyone behind would smell it at 70+mph! ;)
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You dont need freedom of choice Bob, you need protecting from yourself. ::) ;D ;D....in which case all motor vehicles should have restrictors fitted which only allows them to reach the speed limit on the road the vehicle is on - watch this space. ;) ::)
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You dont need freedom of choice Bob, you need protecting from yourself. ::) ;D ;D....in which case all motor vehicles should have restrictors fitted which only allows them to reach the speed limit on the road the vehicle is on - watch this space. ;) ::)
Spot on with that one Albs, that'll be the next thing from the nanny state!
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Personally I don't think people should smoke in a car, but seriously I also don't think the government can tell you what to do in your own property. I think people should be able to do what they like with something they pay for, then pay for every year so it can be used, and then get taxed on top of that.
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... ban production of cigarettes, job done!
I've been in your car Bob, as you may remember :) and being an ex smoker that can smell ash tray and smoke stench from 50yards, there was no smell at all iirc...? So guessing it's no biggy for you...?
I agree with a ban totally. However there are far more serious things to worry about IMO. Even though I can smell a smoker in the car in front when sat in my own car with windows shut. >:(
If smoking in a car, the smoker should be forced to drive with thier own window shut, not just for benefit of others, but to bang home how really unpleasant it is, even for the smoker. I mean why else do they drive with the window open? Because it's a bloody awful habit is why.
Also shows the strength of the "drug" that people are prepared to endure it.
Obviously a ban is in force for company vehicles, and others in the car should be protected from the filth also. Now it's to protect the smoker from themselves. Although in the last instance, a ban there implies authorities believe all else is right with the world, which is a little disturbing IMO!
If I didn't know you better I'd think that you were joking ................ but you're not are you!!!!!!!! ??? ??? ??? ???
I smoked for over 25 yrs but haven't done now for nearly 10 (although I think I might have had one of Carol's at Newent ??? ???) People smoking near/next to me doesn't bother me at all. :y :y
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You dont need freedom of choice Bob, you need protecting from yourself. ::) ;D ;D....in which case all motor vehicles should have restrictors fitted which only allows them to reach the speed limit on the road the vehicle is on - watch this space. ;) ::)
Spot on with that one Albs, that'll be the next thing from the nanny state!
The technology is available and New Labour did say that they would consider introducing it in the longer term.It may well be here in the future. :y
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More pollution comes out of a car exhaust than from a ciggarette.
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I agree with a ban totally. However there are far more serious things to worry about IMO. Even though I can smell a smoker in the car in front when sat in my own car with windows shut. >:(
::) :D
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I agree with a ban totally. However there are far more serious things to worry about IMO. Even though I can smell a smoker in the car in front when sat in my own car with windows shut. >:(
::) :D
;D
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i think that if theyre going to ban smoking in cars (presumably cos of the two hands on the wheel thing) then surely car stereoes should be banned? and manual gearboxes? or anything that takes one hand off the wheel. its ludicrous.
im an ex smoker (although i love a social smoke when i'm pished) and have become addicted to nicotine patches instead: no tar, just calming nicotine all day long baby :y
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i think that if theyre going to ban smoking in cars (presumably cos of the two hands on the wheel thing) then surely car stereoes should be banned? and manual gearboxes? or anything that takes one hand off the wheel. its ludicrous.
im an ex smoker (although i love a social smoke when i'm pished) and have become addicted to nicotine patches instead: no tar, just calming nicotine all day long baby :y
if they ban this I will start a war >:(
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i think that if theyre going to ban smoking in cars (presumably cos of the two hands on the wheel thing) then surely car stereoes should be banned? and manual gearboxes? or anything that takes one hand off the wheel. its ludicrous.
im an ex smoker (although i love a social smoke when i'm pished) and have become addicted to nicotine patches instead: no tar, just calming nicotine all day long baby :y
if they ban this I will start a war >:(
you'd be too stressed cos they'll have banned smokes on the battlefields by next week ;D ;D
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i think that if theyre going to ban smoking in cars (presumably cos of the two hands on the wheel thing) then surely car stereoes should be banned? and manual gearboxes? or anything that takes one hand off the wheel. its ludicrous.
im an ex smoker (although i love a social smoke when i'm pished) and have become addicted to nicotine patches instead: no tar, just calming nicotine all day long baby :y
if they ban this I will start a war >:(
you'd be too stressed cos they'll have banned smokes on the battlefields by next week ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D :y
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Can't be arsed to read the thread, but I agree with such a ban.
Nothing against smokers (I believe I have several times said on here that banning smoking in pubs is wrong).
But if its illegal to eat/drink/phone/read/crossword which driving, smoking should also be included.
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Listened to this today on the Jeremy Drone show & it seems all arguments have been covered here. I accept for years non smokers have had to put up with smoke in public bars/eateries etc & it's most unpleasant so fair go, it's your turn now but this has shut many such establishments & put alot of folk on the dole...which costs the taxpayer, i no longer go to pubs/restaurants as a rule. Since the work/pub ban many folk have given up, that's no bad thing but again loses the government revenue which again costs the taxpayer. Many of my friends don't smoke & i respect thier house/car rules when in thier company without question & never smoke around children anywhere. As for the safety behind the wheel as we can't use hand held mobiles (i agree with that one) or eat a sarnie then let's ban passengers, CD players & listening to the radio all of which can be distracting so let's ban car stereos if safety is a big worry.
Non smokers have got thier own way at last & i don't begrudge them the freedom to eat/drink without being subjected to what even i accept is a filthy habit so maybe a little perspective is due. My car is'nt a public place & i'll do what i bloody well like in it...within reason of cousre. I valet my cars that often & thoroughly that it probablty smells better than some non smokers cars.
Just because a law is passed does'nt mean it makes sense or will be enforced.... i still smoke in my truck & how long ago was that outlawed? The Police & VOSA have better things to do. This won't happen & if it does i'll ignore it.
Lastly i admit i wish i was a non smoker. It's a stupid unhealthy, expensive pastime but i like it. Guy.
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Whats interesting is the response you see when you sit down with someone who has smoked for years in your clinic and tell them that they/their loved ones have cancer. All this bravado and manliness is replaced with an emotion that is difficult to describe on a forum.
Its impossible to ban the sale of tobacco because of various reasons financial and political.
I am therefore for anything that reduces the easy path to smoking, be it an increase in tax or a ban in as many places as possible. Anything that will discourage the younger generation to not take up smoking is welcome in my book. It has to be cultural for it to be effective in discouraging the young ones from smoking.
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Whats interesting is the response you see when you sit down with someone who has smoked for years in your clinic and tell them that they/their loved ones have cancer. All this bravado and manliness is replaced with an emotion that is difficult to describe on a forum.
Its impossible to ban the sale of tobacco because of various reasons financial and political.
I am therefore for anything that reduces the easy path to smoking, be it an increase in tax or a ban in as many places as possible. Anything that will discourage the younger generation to not take up smoking is welcome in my book. It has to be cultural for it to be effective in discouraging the young ones from smoking.
Not sure about the bravado manly thing but otherwise i agree with you. Cancer & CPOD took my Mum in July.
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you tell me how many pubs have shut down because of the smoking ban there will be a few and cafes have closed because of it
these figures were done last yr.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=tqzVGoN1smPiztMp-mp0ckg
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I don't smoke anymore but think if you bend over and take one for the team the Government get there way again. What will they move onto next??
Why should anyone care who smokes in their own car as long as it doesn't effect any passengers?
I also agree it has not helped with Pubs. Didn't see the problem with Smoke Rooms myself.
What I do not like though is if someone lights up a fag whilst someone is eating... Thats just bad manners in my opinion.....
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Whats interesting is the response you see when you sit down with someone who has smoked for years in your clinic and tell them that they/their loved ones have cancer. All this bravado and manliness is replaced with an emotion that is difficult to describe on a forum.
Its impossible to ban the sale of tobacco because of various reasons financial and political.
I am therefore for anything that reduces the easy path to smoking, be it an increase in tax or a ban in as many places as possible. Anything that will discourage the younger generation to not take up smoking is welcome in my book. It has to be cultural for it to be effective in discouraging the young ones from smoking.
Not sure about the bravado manly thing but otherwise i agree with you. Cancer & CPOD took my Mum in July.
A sad thing Guy and alot have lost someone close too them through Cancer. But, not all smokers get Cancer. People who have never smoked get Cancer.
Granted smoking is bad for you, but the crap that is sprayed on food to make it grow quicker must be something to do with it aswell as things which are put into foods.....
In my opinion
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... ban production of cigarettes, job done!
I've been in your car Bob, as you may remember :) and being an ex smoker that can smell ash tray and smoke stench from 50yards, there was no smell at all iirc...? So guessing it's no biggy for you...?
I agree with a ban totally. However there are far more serious things to worry about IMO. Even though I can smell a smoker in the car in front when sat in my own car with windows shut. >:(
If smoking in a car, the smoker should be forced to drive with thier own window shut, not just for benefit of others, but to bang home how really unpleasant it is, even for the smoker. I mean why else do they drive with the window open? Because it's a bloody awful habit is why.
Also shows the strength of the "drug" that people are prepared to endure it.
Obviously a ban is in force for company vehicles, and others in the car should be protected from the filth also. Now it's to protect the smoker from themselves. Although in the last instance, a ban there implies authorities believe all else is right with the world, which is a little disturbing IMO!
So can I
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More pollution comes out of a car exhaust than from a ciggarette.
CO2 H2O vs carcinogens!!
Also cars are useful
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i smoke in my car all the time. if anyone wants a lift in my car they accept this or get a bus or a taxi. i accept the rules in there house and car so they have to accept mine.
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What I do not like though is if someone lights up a fag whilst someone is eating... Thats just bad manners in my opinion.....
I certainly agree with you there love. :y
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As with everything, it's those who take the P*ss that are promoting such changes in policy, I suspect.
Smoking on a straight road with few hazards to negotiate, and the window open, probably doesn't present a safety issue at all. I've done it enough when I used to imbibe. Most of the smoke is drawn out of the window and it's unlikely to impair your control of the vehicle.
However, I see so many people who get into their car and immediately spark up, with the window closed, and start trying to negotiate their way out of a car park and through an urban area while driving single-handed. That's a dangerous distraction IMHO, more so when they drop a burning ember into their crotch. Eyes watering due to the smoke and not in full control of the vehicle.
I even saw a van driver the other day driving through town smoking and using a phone at the same time. :o
If people behave like this we can expect consequences, unfortunately.
And yes, it's obvious that smoking in such a confined area with small children present isn't going to do them any good at all, so no problem with banning that, IMHO. Not that a ban will stop anyone, much like the ban on mobile phones.
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As with everything, it's those who take the P*ss that are promoting such changes in policy, I suspect.
Smoking on a straight road with few hazards to negotiate, and the window open, probably doesn't present a safety issue at all. I've done it enough when I used to imbibe. Most of the smoke is drawn out of the window and it's unlikely to impair your control of the vehicle.
However, I see so many people who get into their car and immediately spark up, with the window closed, and start trying to negotiate their way out of a car park and through an urban area while driving single-handed. That's a dangerous distraction IMHO, more so when they drop a burning ember into their crotch. Eyes watering due to the smoke and not in full control of the vehicle.
I even saw a van driver the other day driving through town smoking and using a phone at the same time. :o
If people behave like this we can expect consequences, unfortunately.
And yes, it's obvious that smoking in such a confined area with small children present isn't going to do them any good at all, so no problem with banning that, IMHO. Not that a ban will stop anyone, much like the ban on mobile phones.
It would be hoped he did not get the two mixed up otherwise he would get a burnt ear and a soggy mobile! ;)
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I'd have no problem with a ban on smoking in cars when children are present, as I consider smoking in a small enclosed space where there are kids, sheer stupidity!!! >:( and lets face it you see it alot! There's a young Mum on my street, who puts her 5 year old in the back, gets in the drivers seat, lights up, seatbelt on and away she goes... and she does it EVERYTIME!!!! >:( >:( >:( Poor kid! :'(
The dangers of smoking and passive smoking are well known and proven! So if smokers can't show some common sense and moderate their behaviour, then legislate says I !!! 8) :y
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I even saw a van driver the other day driving through town smoking and using a phone at the same time. :o
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and why can't you do both at the same time? ??? ???
And there's always comments about driving single handed when eating/smoking/picking nose/etc, I almost always drive with one hand in my Omega & her Smart ................... what's the problem? Some don't have a choice, but still have a licence and are considered safe. On the other hand, my father-in-law has two but I consider him a hazard to all & sundry, his 'excuse' was a stroke 20+ yrs ago. How about a campaign to remove 'disabled' drivers from the road to under the safety banner while we're at it!!
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I even saw a van driver the other day driving through town smoking and using a phone at the same time. :o
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and why can't you do both at the same time? ??? ???
And there's always comments about driving single handed when eating/smoking/picking nose/etc, I almost always drive with one hand in my Omega & her Smart ................... what's the problem?
Your other hand is presumably available at short notice if you need it? And I'm guessing you use 2 hands in car parks and other urban areas requiring more concentration.
Some don't have a choice, but still have a licence and are considered safe. On the other hand, my father-in-law has two but I consider him a hazard to all & sundry, his 'excuse' was a stroke 20+ yrs ago. How about a campaign to remove 'disabled' drivers from the road to under the safety banner while we're at it!!
Indeed, but, again, they don't have a source of distraction in the other hand that will burn the interior of their car or them id they drop it and, if their disability is severe, they will have a vehicle adapted to suit them.
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... ban production of cigarettes, job done!
I've been in your car Bob, as you may remember :) and being an ex smoker that can smell ash tray and smoke stench from 50yards, there was no smell at all iirc...? So guessing it's no biggy for you...?
I agree with a ban totally. However there are far more serious things to worry about IMO. Even though I can smell a smoker in the car in front when sat in my own car with windows shut. >:(
If smoking in a car, the smoker should be forced to drive with thier own window shut, not just for benefit of others, but to bang home how really unpleasant it is, even for the smoker. I mean why else do they drive with the window open? Because it's a bloody awful habit is why.
Also shows the strength of the "drug" that people are prepared to endure it.
Obviously a ban is in force for company vehicles, and others in the car should be protected from the filth also. Now it's to protect the smoker from themselves. Although in the last instance, a ban there implies authorities believe all else is right with the world, which is a little disturbing IMO!
Oh come on Chris, lets be sensible about this. ::) With that statement you might as well say ok, lets ban everything thats bad for you or anything that affects other people - ban alcohol as it kills thousands each year, causes violent behaviour, and costs the NHS a fortune. Ban sweets and cakes as it makes people obese, rots teeth and costs the NHS a fortune, ban the internal cobustion engine as it's pollution affects everybody and makes people ill......and so on and so on. Where do you draw the line? There's very little a person can do these days without affecting others in some form or another. Smoking is an individual choice like all of these things. If I could live my life again, without a doubt I would not never start smoking but when I started there was little known about the dangers associated with it and as Cem mentioned in his post, it was actually encouraged and glamourised. Let's not forget, during the war the government actually supplied our forces with free cigarettes. Sorry to bang on, but my opinion would remain the same wether I smoked or not - freedom of choice, and I get fed up with being treated like some kind of lepper for something I chose to do all those years ago. Bugger, now I'm going off topic - this was supposed to be about banning smoking in cars! ::)
Yes, you're right about the car - I don't very often smoke in it but when I do it's normally on a long run with the window open but I doubt if anyone behind would smell it at 70+mph! ;)
Smokers won't notice at all Bob. There's a level of ignorance built in to nicotine, and the addiction, that smokers are completely unaware of. It's your choice to start smoking, and it's your free choice to give up, except nicotine itself takes away that very free choice being defended so readily here due to addiction, yet smokers don't notice their loss of free choice by the habit itself.
Smokers are addicted, it is not a choice. It's not something to wish on an enemy, never mind a friend or aquaintance, loved one etc etc. Never mind a child in a car!
Ban it!
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... if their disability is severe, they will have a vehicle adapted to suit them.
There's a limit to what you can do with one hand on one side of the steering wheel, while other needed controls ie wipers, are on the other. ;)
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i was a smoker......however all of us have the right of freedom of speech.....look what it did with maggie thatcher and the poll tax.....whatever your views on that subject was....people power made her back down.......now then i do not for one minute suggest riots or rebellion but why cant we all voice our opinion in the correct why and have things like this discussed sensibly and then the majority wins...now thats fair and just isnt it folks.....oh and by the way i am with all you smokers all the way..so put my name down against the ban >:( :y
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Whats interesting is the response you see when you sit down with someone who has smoked for years in your clinic and tell them that they/their loved ones have cancer. All this bravado and manliness is replaced with an emotion that is difficult to describe on a forum.
Its impossible to ban the sale of tobacco because of various reasons financial and political.
I am therefore for anything that reduces the easy path to smoking, be it an increase in tax or a ban in as many places as possible. Anything that will discourage the younger generation to not take up smoking is welcome in my book. It has to be cultural for it to be effective in discouraging the young ones from smoking.
It's even worse when you are the one being told that you have it....... :'( :'( :'(
Is it cultural? increased knowledge and advertising campaigns and yet smoking amongst young people is increasing...... :( :( :(
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When i had a company car i was banned from smoking in that or it was a disciplinary offence.
I am an ex smoker and think it is a dirty smelly habit that is proven to cause illness and possibly death,but if you want to kill yourself or get lung cancer then that is up to you.
Many a time when i smoked in the car (roll ups) i'd end up dropping a red end in my lap.And how many times did you chuck a butt out the window only for it to blow back in ? I had a few burn marks in the back seat to prove it.
Smoking in a car is dangerous,but so is leaning over to get a CD out the glove compartment or eating a bag of crisps or sandwich if you are having your lunch 'on the road' like many of us do.
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Getting way beyond a joke, we are being treated as kids with father adolf at the helm as slowly our right of personal choice are being eroded. Since labour came to power in 97 they have "invented" over 2000 new laws and restrictions, turned the Police Force into a remake of the Gestapo and managed to destroy the economy along the way. The Tories are just adding to the control state where by you will do as we will you and we will monitor you as you do it. Most of this is sold to us are being for our own benefit. when the first cameras arrived we where fed the line "we will only be using them to monitor town centres for the purpose of safety and crime prevention" 10 years down the road you now struggle to get more than a few hundred yards from your front door without appearing on film footage somewhere. We all know the uses they have been put to regards motorists and the millions that is generated from mostly decent people going about there every day business. If they get this through these same cameras will be used to catch and issue you with yet another fixed penalty, this time the offence will be having a fag on the way to work £80.00 cu ching 5 mph over the speed limit £80.00 cu ching no seat belt £80.00 cu ching. So late to work rushing forget belt fag on the way cause your stressed 46 through a 40 at five in the morning and if you dare to make a call to explain your lateness during your 5 > 10 mile journey ( by which time you have most likely been caught by at least 3 cameras ) thats a weeks wages and a 12 month ban sir all of which can be achieved with the Gestapo sat on there arse drinking tea whilst awaiting his £30,000+ a year to arrive in his bank account. Ah well least now your jobs gone you longer have to get up at 5am you no longer need your motor and you can smoke as many fags as you please whilst lounging on your sofa watching daytime TV and waiting for the dole cheque to hit the doormat. TV being the best bet as your internet and email may soon be monitored (this is yet another piece of legislation being fed to us under the guise of keeping kids safe from porn whilst online). So all they did to do is now find a way to convince us that allowing monitoring inside your own home (likely to along the lines of terrorist threat or child abuse) is a good idea and they pretty much have you in a free prison. Wake up folks big brother is well and truly here and imposing rules on an ever increasing scale. So for all the do gooders who dropped there pants and bent over I hope you have a very sore arse, you bloody well should have considering the size of the stick you got shafted with.
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Absolutely. :y...............although I wouldnt tar all police with the same brush,and refer to them as gestapo. ;)
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does it also mean the will ban driving by knee next? ::) :-X
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And just to add, the camera and criminal line which are all fed is b*ll*cks. The whole system has a massive floor in respect that it almost totally relies on the vehicle number plate. If you think about it this actually aids the criminal. Stolen Mondeo but with plates cloned from a legal Mondeo and the whole system fails that simple. The answer they came up with was the steps you have to make to get new number plates. So the question is how hard is it to get replacement plates Answer: not that hard. So a billion pound monitoring system thats pretty much only any good for catching the honest.
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should have said the honest and the idiots
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iam a non smoker and wont let my little girl stay around people that smoke, i also havant bought cars in the past just because they smell of smoke but thats my choice
but i also belive if someone one wants to smoke and it dosnt affect me then they should have the choice.they but money into the goverment,they die quicker so they also save us paying there pensions.
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The PC brigade strikes again taking away our right of personal choice - what will they ban next - SEX in cars? :( :( :( ;)
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but i also belive if someone one wants to smoke and it dosnt affect me then they should have the choice.they but money into the goverment,they die quicker so they also save us paying there pensions.
Ah, but you have missed a slight point there. the cost of smoking to the NHS in the form of heart attacks, strokes, cancer and the cost of treating/caring for them is massive. Which is why the NHS and doctors try to get you to stop smoking before its too late.
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but i also belive if someone one wants to smoke and it dosnt affect me then they should have the choice.they but money into the goverment,they die quicker so they also save us paying there pensions.
Ah, but you have missed a slight point there. the cost of smoking to the NHS in the form of heart attacks, strokes, cancer and the cost of treating/caring for them is massive. Which is why the NHS and doctors try to get you to stop smoking before its too late.
But you also have to remember that Tobacco is one of the biggest incomes for the government... If everyone in the country stopped smoking tomorrow the country would be bankrupt by Christmas ;)
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but i also belive if someone one wants to smoke and it dosnt affect me then they should have the choice.they but money into the goverment,they die quicker so they also save us paying there pensions.
Ah, but you have missed a slight point there. the cost of smoking to the NHS in the form of heart attacks, strokes, cancer and the cost of treating/caring for them is massive. Which is why the NHS and doctors try to get you to stop smoking before its too late.
And nurses as well, well in 5 minutes when the have had a ciggy, I can not give any stats but from my personal knowledge of one office of community nurses, 1 in 3 smoke.....And no, I am not judging them, I am the last person to be able to do so..... Do they smoke in their cars, provided on a lease scheme, by the NHS?................I could not possibly comment.... :-X
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" But you also have to remember that Tobacco is one of the biggest incomes for the government... If everyone in the country stopped smoking tomorrow the country would be bankrupt by Christmas ;) "
We're not far off that anyway!!! ::) Smoke away lads, your country needs you!!! :y :y :y
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does it also mean the will ban driving by knee next? ::) :-X
hope not as its easier to eat drink and afterwards light a fag when using the knee to steer ;D
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can i ask.... this pc brigade thats looking at banning smoking in cars................
is it a government driven scheme? are they the ones who are calling for it?
i doubt that they are.... more like the crappy express and their bunch of sensationalists at the helm trying to make people feel they cant do anything and middle class and law abiding readers believing it.
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but i also belive if someone one wants to smoke and it dosnt affect me then they should have the choice.they but money into the goverment,they die quicker so they also save us paying there pensions.
Ah, but you have missed a slight point there. the cost of smoking to the NHS in the form of heart attacks, strokes, cancer and the cost of treating/caring for them is massive. Which is why the NHS and doctors try to get you to stop smoking before its too late.
You may have also missed a point. What is the cost of sports injuries to the NHS? What about the cost of "obesity" to the NHS? What about the cost of stress-related illnesses caused by government policies?
I say BAN everything. :y :y
(Mind you, the NHS will still be the inefficient, cash-guzzling monster it always was) ::) ::)
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Ban humans.
It's the only answer.
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Ban humans.
It's the only answer.
Yes! We have a winner! ;) ;D ;D ;D
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Ban humans.
It's the only answer.
that won't be long..... whenever oil runs out there will be a war that eliminates us all and the planet can rebuild itself in to a lovely place. without us!!! :y :y :y :y
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but i also belive if someone one wants to smoke and it dosnt affect me then they should have the choice.they but money into the goverment,they die quicker so they also save us paying there pensions.
Ah, but you have missed a slight point there. the cost of smoking to the NHS in the form of heart attacks, strokes, cancer and the cost of treating/caring for them is massive. Which is why the NHS and doctors try to get you to stop smoking before its too late.
Packet of fags @ say 6.00 quid duty going to the Government say 3.5 quid against an £80 fine. How many people would they need to fine to compensate the sales. Making a law banning smoking in cars will compensate the lost sale from tobacco from the bans already in place IE pubs etc
But you also have to remember that Tobacco is one of the biggest incomes for the government... If everyone in the country stopped smoking tomorrow the country would be bankrupt by Christmas ;)
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not sure what happened to that last post so here it is again:
Packet of fags @ say 6.00 quid duty going to the Government say 3.5 quid against an £80 fine. How many people would they need to fine to compensate the sales. Making a law banning smoking in cars will compensate the lost sale from tobacco from the bans already in place IE pubs etc
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true, but then there's the policing of it too :y
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not sure what happened to that last post so here it is again:
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Will police itself, do gooders and cameras will sort that.
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Will police itself, do gooders and cameras will sort that.
not being funny but i doubt that.
they need evidence to convict someone of a crime...not just the tittle-tattle from jonny-do-gooder :y
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Will police itself, do gooders and cameras will sort that.
What a wonderful world you live in!
There aren't enough police to do the job as it is and they can't enforce the current laws (using a mobile whilst driving being my biggest gripe ::)) so how on earth do you think this can be monitored? ???
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Trust me on this one, I used to have a pub and I have been in the cctv control room that was used on Friday and Saturday nights for what they call the pub watch scheme. The evidence from these cams was used to convict people from pissing in a doorway to full blown punch ups. They are more than capable of taking clear pics of you sitting in your car having a crafty fag. In fact it was'nt that long ago a taxi driver got convicted of not wearing a seat belt on the evidence of one of these cameras.
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And on top of that the enforcement officer used to randomly come round with a devise to measure the air in the bar, this alone could not convict you but they knew which pubs to keep an eye on.
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So both those examples aren't it "Policing itself"... Someone is having to police it ;)
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Someone was policing it, one man sat in a control room monitoring the whole town including the roads in and out. The best of it is that one man was a non paid volunteer who was doing his duty for the community. If you look into it you will find that alot of these control points are manned by volunteers hence my reference to do gooders.
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Sorry I did'nt count one unpaid volunteer as a drain on Policing. They dont need a copper there everything is recorded and decisions regarding prosecution can be made at a latter date.
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Pity that one volunteer can't sort people on mobiles whilst driving, speeding and the general crime rate ;)
Let's be honest... CCTV isn't the answer here.
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i have pissed up and puked up so many town centre doorways in my time and never got a knock on the door....
i dread to think what the owner of the local thorntons must have thought when opening up her shop in.... :-X :-X :-X :-X
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The guy is there to control the pubwatch scheme he is not looking for motoring related "crimes" as such. The point I make is that the technology and equipment is already there to do the job without any real drain on the resources they already have. Sure I would agree it wont happen straight away it will be slowly implemented, the police force is being thinned but I suspect that the reason behind this is technology taking over as its far more economical and effective to have one man behind a camera than several officers riding round in cars. In the same way any cameras work I:E sat there 24 hrs 7 days without the cost of wages vehicles fuel etc etc but still raking millions in revenue each year. Once these laws and systems are 100% in place where will it go from there? Cameras are already being used to fine and prosecute. The more laws the more revenue its likely to generate. In many places it already been proved that these devices are doing nothing to decrease crime levels and in the same light a lot of speed cameras are doing nothing to increase road safety (which is the line we where sold when they were being implemented) so if the reason stated is being proved non constructive why is the system being expanded at such a rapid rate. You get a speeding fine through the post giving you 3 points in exchange for £80 how hard and how much in the way of resources did that take to extract from you? Its the thin edge of what I can see as being a very thick wedge.
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Many said what George Orwell wrote would and could never happen.
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The English are Anglo-Saxons, where did they come from, a tribe of Germans in Saxony.... ::)
This country is getting more like Nazi Germany every day, the wicked administration and imposition of unfair and evil deeds happens every day from an army of petty council and government officials, (lets call them what they are State Servants or SS for short). Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Politicians in this country and the EU have more power than they have ever had in the past and they have vehs of making vou conform and obey the vules. Ask the Greeks or Italians, how many of the new Italian cabinet have been democratically elected (clue between none and zero). Dictatorships
often start on the basis of best intentions.. veh have vays of helping vou.
Misleading road signs, bus lanes to trap the unwary, ching, your mistake £80 will do nicely. Speed cameras at speed limit change points, at the bottom of steep hills are all fair game for catching motorists doing a few miles over the speed limit. Ching £80 and 3 points will do nicely. A pat on the back from the head of the Gestapo council, for doing their job with such zeal and efficiency and raising so much money for the public purse. When asked about it, they are just doing their job and following orders - now where did I hear this before -that's it the Nuremberg trials in 1946.
For many reasons I don't feel a free person in this country. You must do this, do that, why because it is the law. A piece of paper accidently drops from your pocket, ching £80 for littering, parking ticket writing upside down ching £60, window misted up, so can't see parking ticket, ching £60., congestion charge that must be bought everyday or ching big fine... so the list of big intrusive government goes on, however unreasonable the official has been, but you can also appeal, actually I just want to be left alone to live my life in my own way and as part of that I will respect other people and their views and their property, and treat them how I like to be treated.
This is another reason I'm moving to the Ukraine as they have had all of this rule following, plus brutal repression under Stalin and Brezhnev (don't worry its coming to the UK anytime soon and in many ways it is already here, white hit ethnic, racially motivated, 2 years, ethnic hit white, they felt threatened 100 community service, etc, etc. The law should be the same for everybody, but it is now more the same for some people than others). Now the people of Ukraine value their new freedom and basically ignore most intrusive rules. When I ask my wife why the answer is always the same "Because this is the Ukraine". Which I interpret as we are Robin Hood they are King John.
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The guy is there to control the pubwatch scheme//....
This country is getting more like//...
Its the thin edge of what I can see as being a very thick wedge
Of that, you can rest assured.
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
I personally do not do either of those thing Matt, but I don't find smoking a distraction when driving. I think sneezing while driving is probably more of a distraction and has been known to cause accidents, so are they going to ban that?!! Where do you draw the line? I think good old common sense needs to be used rather than bullying tactics. ::)
Maybe so in your experience but I know of many people who have nearly crashed because they dropped the cigarette or part of the hot ash fell in their lap.
Plus it gets on my tits when I see people just chucking them out of their car window. They are not biodegradable.
I've been known to chuck them back in to them! ;)
If people want to smoke then thats their right. I personally preferred clubs etc smelling of smoke, since the ban they just ronk of BO and bogs! And I've never even tried smoking.
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Personally I feel that if using your phone or drinking coffee at the wheel is not allowed then why should smoking be?
I personally do not do either of those thing Matt, but I don't find smoking a distraction when driving. I think sneezing while driving is probably more of a distraction and has been known to cause accidents, so are they going to ban that?!! Where do you draw the line? I think good old common sense needs to be used rather than bullying tactics. ::)
Maybe so in your experience but I know of many people who have nearly crashed because they dropped the cigarette or part of the hot ash fell in their lap.
Plus it gets on my tits when I see people just chucking them out of their car window. They are not biodegradable.
I've been known to chuck them back in to them![/highlight] ;)
If people want to smoke then thats their right. I personally preferred clubs etc smelling of smoke, since the ban they just ronk of BO and bogs! And I've never even tried smoking.
It's smokers who give smokers a bad name ;)
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The English are Anglo-Saxons, where did they come from, a tribe of Germans in Saxony.... ::)
This country is getting more like Nazi Germany every day, the wicked administration and imposition of unfair and evil deeds happens every day from an army of petty council and government officials, (lets call them what they are State Servants or SS for short). Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Politicians in this country and the EU have more power than they have ever had in the past and they have vehs of making vou conform and obey the vules. Ask the Greeks or Italians, how many of the new Italian cabinet have been democratically elected (clue between none and zero). Dictatorships
often start on the basis of best intentions.. veh have vays of helping vou.
Misleading road signs, bus lanes to trap the unwary, ching, your mistake £80 will do nicely. Speed cameras at speed limit change points, at the bottom of steep hills are all fair game for catching motorists doing a few miles over the speed limit. Ching £80 and 3 points will do nicely. A pat on the back from the head of the Gestapo council, for doing their job with such zeal and efficiency and raising so much money for the public purse. When asked about it, they are just doing their job and following orders - now where did I hear this before -that's it the Nuremberg trials in 1946.
For many reasons I don't feel a free person in this country. You must do this, do that, why because it is the law. A piece of paper accidently drops from your pocket, ching £80 for littering, parking ticket writing upside down ching £60, window misted up, so can't see parking ticket, ching £60., congestion charge that must be bought everyday or ching big fine... so the list of big intrusive government goes on, however unreasonable the official has been, but you can also appeal, actually I just want to be left alone to live my life in my own way and as part of that I will respect other people and their views and their property, and treat them how I like to be treated.
This is another reason I'm moving to the Ukraine as they have had all of this rule following, plus brutal repression under Stalin and Brezhnev (don't worry its coming to the UK anytime soon and in many ways it is already here, white hit ethnic, racially motivated, 2 years, ethnic hit white, they felt threatened 100 community service, etc, etc. The law should be the same for everybody, but it is now more the same for some people than others). Now the people of Ukraine value their new freedom and basically ignore most intrusive rules. When I ask my wife why the answer is always the same "Because this is the Ukraine". Which I interpret as we are Robin Hood they are King John.
hahaha that just made me LOL! ;D ;D ;D
I've got to say however i personally don't agree with this.
To say it's getting more like Nazi Germany is ridiculous. i don't see anyone being persecuted because of their ethnic background..... quite the opposite in fact imo.
those examples about litter dropping out your pocket, window misted up etc is classic newspaper sensationalising (if thats the right word lol). yes, i'm sure there are instances when one of the SS's get's on his high horse and thinks he's robert mugabi but on the whole these silly things where the law is taken to the extreme doesn't happen.
as for not being a free person......... well lucky you're in a country where saying such things is allowed cos i'm not sure it would be in north korea!
just my opinion of course so no offence or argument seeking intened :y :y :y
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Ban humans.
It's the only answer.
yes.yes.. nuke them all ;D ;D :y
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Whatever any of us think there comes a point where common sense overides the law, enough is enough. Ok i can't go to pubs, restaurants, cinemas any more. If i still drove a taxi i can't smoke in that either, fair enough times change & i accept all of the above albeit it grudgingly but us smokers have had our own way for far too long & the non smokers have had to suffer so now it's thier turn to enjoy all the above. What goes around comes around & us smokers are taking a well deserved kicking now. That said i will NOT be told whether or not i can smoke alone in my own car/house. To hell with what the law brings in i simply wo'nt recognize it...you can still smoke in prison, they dare'nt outlaw that because they could'nt handle the result & they know it.
To all the non/ex smokers i envy you & wish i did'nt indulge in such a filthy habit. You've rightfully stopped smoking almost everywhere & can now go out & enjoy it as you should be able too but leave our private homes/cars to us, any more is being greedy or self righteous. Guy. :y