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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Webby the Bear on 05 February 2012, 22:03:00
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Hey up fellas :y
Ok, tonight I decided to start the process of cleaning my breathers. TBH was a bit tired so I got it dismantled and will clean it in the week.
This is wher I'm at.....
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/webbybear1/Plenumdisassembled.png)
Just referring to the notes I've made. Is this where the replacement seals and O rings should be fitted as per this guide...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90653.0
Also I'm literally going to cover EVERYTHING with carb cleaner, then use an old toothbrush to clean. The 4 small holes are still visible but like the the first pics in the guide there's a lot of goo so I figure that if it's part of the plenum, throttle body or breather bridge it's getting the carb cleaner/toothbrush treatment!
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Don't forget the small breather hole in the breather box :y
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Cheers James,
I've looked at the pics and am struggling to understand where on the engine the ''small'' breather pipe that will take the piece of wire in it and where the big ''Y'' shape breather is.... are we talking about the 4 tubes that connect to the back of the plenum or am I talking complete dangle berries? ;D
Just trying to get it in my mind so I know exactly what to do and to expect come next Saturday :y
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Breather box is low down under wiper motor area. One of the pipes that you disconnected from the back of plenum goes to the small hole in it. :y
Regards
Alan
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Should add, if you stand on drivers side of engine and look down at the heat shield at back of engine, you can just about see the breather box. You are in an ideal position for access with the scuttle and plenum off. :y
Yes, the 'Y' piece is the bit at the back of the plenum. :y
Regards
Alan
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The Orings dont usually need replacing ime. ;) Those butterflys etc. look as though they havent been cleaned for years. ::)
I would clean the worst off with petrol first.Otherwise your going to get through several cans of carb cleaner. :y
Also,some petrol inside the plenum,then push a bottle cleaning brush in there and give it a scrub. ;)
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The Orings dont usually need replacing ime. ;) Those butterflys etc. look as though they havent been cleaned for years. ::)
I would clean the worst off with petrol first.Otherwise your going to get through several cans of carb cleaner. :y
Also,some petrol inside the plenum,then push a bottle cleaning brush in there and give it a scrub. ;)
Cheers all.
Albs, the pic I've pinched from the guide but mine are exactly like that. Defo going to get something more ''industrial'' on to them as I did halF a can on just the ICV :o
Anyone got any pics of where I should be cleaning the small and big breathers as positioned in the car? Just so I know exactly what I'm doing. :y
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Trace the larger pipe of the Y piece down the back to the drivers side , it goes into a housing together with a smaller breather pipe :y
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/milleblack/BREATHERBODYOMEGA.jpg)
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The Orings dont usually need replacing ime. ;) Those butterflys etc. look as though they havent been cleaned for years. ::)
I would clean the worst off with petrol first.Otherwise your going to get through several cans of carb cleaner. :y
Also,some petrol inside the plenum,then push a bottle cleaning brush in there and give it a scrub. ;)
Cheers all.
Albs, the pic I've pinched from the guide but mine are exactly like that. Defo going to get something more ''industrial'' on to them as I did halF a can on just the ICV :o
Anyone got any pics of where I should be cleaning the small and big breathers as positioned in the car? Just so I know exactly what I'm doing. :y
Another pic showing it more clearly
(http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~aholter/DSCF0804.jpg)
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Sorry if this is a retarded Q.... but fek it I'll double check anyway....
EMD, your pic is pith the pipes off and Rob yours is with them on, correct?
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And EMD.... how far exactly is that pipe down the back of the engine drivers side?..... expecting the worst here :D ;D ;D
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@RobG, I take it the box in your pic is worth removing and cleaning inside when doing the breathers ?? Or is that just overkill ?
Thanks
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Trace the larger pipe of the Y piece down the back to the drivers side , it goes into a housing together with a smaller breather pipe :y
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/milleblack/BREATHERBODYOMEGA.jpg)
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Apologies for jumping in....but what are the blue pipes please guys? :-\
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Plug leads. Blue ones are faster btw. :y :D
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@RobG, I take it the box in your pic is worth removing and cleaning inside when doing the breathers ?? Or is that just overkill ?
Thanks
Wouldnt be a bad idea to remove it to clean it - in theory. Istr its a pig of a thing to remove though. :-\
Webby - breather box isnt anywhere near as bad to get to as the dispack is. ;)
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Plug leads. Blue ones are faster btw. :y :D
Ahhhhhh :y
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@RobG, I take it the box in your pic is worth removing and cleaning inside when doing the breathers ?? Or is that just overkill ?
Thanks
Wouldnt be a bad idea to remove it to clean it - in theory. Istr its a pig of a thing to remove though. :-\
Webby - breather box isnt anywhere near as bad to get to as the dispack is. ;)
You aint kidding about that :-\
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Sorry guys, just a quickie....
I have just been home for my lunch and decided to have a quick go at cleaning the breather bridge, TB, plenum etc. It;s going to be harder than it looks as it's proper caked on but I'm getting Carb Cleaner supplies bought for me by mummy webb.
However, the breather bridge all cleaned up no problem... I used a small drill bit to get the crud out and all ''looks'' great from the outside. But when I poked my drill bit down the 4 pipes, 3 are clear and allowed pasage for the bit and one wouldnt budge after an inch. Also the two bigger pipes at the front of the breather bridge are also stuck about an inch down.
should they be like this or is this just crud stopping it?
cheers
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No they should not be like that , take all the pipes off and soak them in cleaner / make sure they are completely clear one end to the other :y
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No they should not be like that , take all the pipes off and soak them in cleaner / make sure they are completely clear one end to the other :y
Leeeeeegend ;) cheers mate ;)
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ps we are talking about the ones that are attached to the long black rectangle of plastic that has the ''eco tec'' usually on top? :)
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Yes,they are part of the breather system and need all the crap cleaning out.Just been finishing off doing the same thing on project CDX. ended up getting a shallow tray filled with petrol and leaving the breather bridge in there to soak.Then blew down the pipes,stuck a length of small bore plastic pipe down there and wiggled it about,soaked it again,blew down it again...........
Couldnt believe the amount of shite that came out considering I had already cleaned them in the usual way a couple of days ago.The petrol ended up a darkish brown colour with lots of lumpy bits in.Now tipped it out of the tray and theres a thick layer of sediment in the bottom of the tray.
Spend a bit of time on it Webby,you may be surprised at the amount of crud which comes out,depending on how well it has or hasnt benn done in the past.
If everything is really scummy I would recommend using petrol initially to shift the worst of it before wasting lots of cans of carb cleaner. :y
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i will do cheers albs :):):) thanks for all the info :y :y
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ps we are talking about the ones that are attached to the long black rectangle of plastic that has the ''eco tec'' usually on top? :)
If they are blocked , suprised if the rocker gaskets aint blown or have they just recently been done ? Must of been weazin like a good un . Check the plug wells ;)
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ps we are talking about the ones that are attached to the long black rectangle of plastic that has the ''eco tec'' usually on top? :)
If they are blocked , suprised if the rocker gaskets aint blown or have they just recently been done ? Must of been weazin like a good un . Check the plug wells ;)
Yes mate, recently done ;)
there's a tiny bit of oil in the plug wells. ill clean this and then see if there's any more being produced after just to double check the gaskets aint still leaking :y :y
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ps we are talking about the ones that are attached to the long black rectangle of plastic that has the ''eco tec'' usually on top? :)
If they are blocked , suprised if the rocker gaskets aint blown or have they just recently been done ? Must of been weazin like a good un . Check the plug wells ;)
Yes mate, recently done ;)
there's a tiny bit of oil in the plug wells. ill clean this and then see if there's any more being produced after just to double check the gaskets aint still leaking :y :y
Small amount in mine too , think it was from last blown gasket "monitor for sure" ;)
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cheers EMD. Yeah when i first started it up there was a bit of smoke. i think there's lots of places where oil has fell on to!
i will take your advice and monitor very carefully :y
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the so called vx cowboy must have made a right mess of it as i can see from the work you got to do steve :y :y :y :y sorry mate
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iirc, there was a post not so long back about using an air pressure hose to blow crud out of the pipes etc...carefully of course :y
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the so called vx cowboy must have made a right mess of it as i can see from the work you got to do steve :y :y :y :y sorry mate
Oh deer ::) ::) ::)
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ps we are talking about the ones that are attached to the long black rectangle of plastic that has the ''eco tec'' usually on top? :)
If they are blocked , suprised if the rocker gaskets aint blown or have they just recently been done ? Must of been weazin like a good un . Check the plug wells ;)
Yes mate, recently done ;)
there's a tiny bit of oil in the plug wells. ill clean this and then see if there's any more being produced after just to double check the gaskets aint still leaking :y :y
Mine too......... ;D
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF1296-1.jpg)
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the so called vx cowboy must have made a right mess of it as i can see from the work you got to do steve :y :y :y :y sorry mate
Don't be silly. No worries Ralf. it's good for me to hit a few problems. cos it means i have to sort them and therefore get experience ;)
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ps we are talking about the ones that are attached to the long black rectangle of plastic that has the ''eco tec'' usually on top? :)
If they are blocked , suprised if the rocker gaskets aint blown or have they just recently been done ? Must of been weazin like a good un . Check the plug wells ;)
Yes mate, recently done ;)
there's a tiny bit of oil in the plug wells. ill clean this and then see if there's any more being produced after just to double check the gaskets aint still leaking :y :y
Mine too......... ;D
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF1296-1.jpg)
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ps we are talking about the ones that are attached to the long black rectangle of plastic that has the ''eco tec'' usually on top? :)
If they are blocked , suprised if the rocker gaskets aint blown or have they just recently been done ? Must of been weazin like a good un . Check the plug wells ;)
Yes mate, recently done ;)
there's a tiny bit of oil in the plug wells. ill clean this and then see if there's any more being produced after just to double check the gaskets aint still leaking :y :y
Mine too......... ;D
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF1296-1.jpg)
Albs, can't really tell from pic... is the oil right up the side of the plugs in a pool?? :o :o :o
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Yes Webby.Thats what happens when the breathers dont get cleaned out for a long time.The camcover gaskets cry enough and thats the result.Got approx. a third of a pint of oil out of the plugwells. :y
Thats the CDX project btw.Not ny own car. ;)
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Its quite easy to let them get that bad, can run quite happily for some time like that! :)
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So it would seem.Previous owner said car ran great until the bootom hose blew off the rad,which signalled oil cooler failure. :y
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So, clogged breathers equal pressure from the oil being ''forced'' through and putting pressure on gasket and breaking?
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Yup :y :y
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Ok kids, here we go....
Tonight I got a rare couple of hours to myself in addition to coming home for lunch. So, I started cleaning my plenum, breather bridge and throttle body.
Just really wanting to know what you think. I can definitely get more gook out (which I will do) but just wanted to know if it would be ok if I left it as is. Here are the piccies......
Ok firstly there's this pic... this is a 3-4 inch drill bit. The pic shows the drill bit as far as I can get it in. I did attach it to my drill and give it a few whizzes round. The amount of shite that came out was grim!!! Now, it does this also for the other tube next to it. I'm thinking maybe this stops due to the circle bit on top. Or should i just go nuts with the drill? The circle with the 4 tiny holes cleaned up real well.....
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/webbybear1/IMG054.jpg)
Second pic. The other end of the breather bridge. I can get the thin drill bit all the way in. When I blow carb cleaner through the 2 big pipes (pic 1) the only ones the cleaner shoots out of is the two bigger pipes on the end. Is this normal? Should I be using force to make more headway??? I'm guessing that the two thinner ones inside go through that circle bit with the tiny holes hence why it doesn't shoot out of these?.......
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/webbybear1/IMG052.jpg)
Pic 3. The throttle body. I've cleaned them pretty well I think paying special attention to the edges of the butterflies. There's still a little bit of shit but it's going to take a lot of elobow grease. I will obviously do it but is it worth getting them any cleaner? Your thoughts appreciated.....
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/webbybear1/IMG048.jpg)
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Don't forget the pipework, esp the 'Y' one, and the holes in the breather box at the back.
Shame you haven't got access to a compressor, the sludge can't stand 35psi air pressure for long :y
Ken
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Don't forget the pipework, esp the 'Y' one, and the holes in the breather box at the back.
Shame you haven't got access to a compressor, the sludge can't stand 35psi air pressure for long :y
Ken
Oh yeah, thanks Ken. Sorry should have mentioned that yes, I still have to do the breathers in situ in the car..... plus cleaning the plenum itself..... was just showing tonight's progress :y :y :y :y :y :y
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Bung all holes up of one end of that plastic breather up and fill with cleaner / leave over night . That should shift it , dont drill into it .
Connecting rubber pipes / de gunk them as well or wont be worth you cleaning the bit you have showed unless you have cleaned them already :y Nice job on the throttle body , looks clean enough :y
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Bung all holes up of one end of that plastic breather up and fill with cleaner / leave over night . That should shift it , dont drill into it .
Connecting rubber pipes / de gunk them as well or wont be worth you cleaning the bit you have showed unless you have cleaned them already :y Nice job on the throttle body , looks clean enough :y
Ok mate cheers. I'm at my g/f's house so I'll get on the blower to me old dear to do it now for me ;D ;D ;D
So once that's done i sould get a drill bit all the way down all pipes?
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I'll get on the blower to me old dear to do it now for me
Lmao ;D
Cant remember off hand about the breather , i took mine off and it was clean on this car so just spray cleaned with gunk and it flowed straight through ... i dont think you can push anything straight through ...could be wrong :-\ been a while since i un blocked one that was that bad :y
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Dont think a drill bit will go all the way down Webby. Iirc it changes shape inside near the bottom.When the smaller ones are cleaned/unblocked, the carb cleanr or petrol should shoot out of the little holes. :y
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Cheers lads. as said i did give it a few long blasts with the drill. hopefully i aint damaged anything :y
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sounds like your having fun steve :y :y :y :y :y
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Hey up chaps, how are we?
Ok, started the car today. It sounds like a tractor still. I couldn't help but think of Aaron's avatar..
''And it went 'dugga, dugga, dugga, dugga'' hahahaha
Ok, so it seems that putting the leads on the disspac correctly wasn't the problem. I'm thinking that because it recently had th CC Gaskets done, the leads and/or disspac have been fubared too. Would a misfore cause this dugga, dugga, dugga sound or am I looking at another problem?
Mainly though I want to know.... if this has been caused by me doing something wrong on replacing the plenum? I don't think so and as said I think it needs items replacing which, as it's a practise car, I am not going to do.
Just wondered what your thoughts were? :)
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Hey up chaps, how are we?
Ok, started the car today. It sounds like a tractor still. I couldn't help but think of Aaron's avatar..
''And it went 'dugga, dugga, dugga, dugga'' hahahaha
Ok, so it seems that putting the leads on the disspac correctly wasn't the problem. I'm thinking that because it recently had th CC Gaskets done, the leads and/or disspac have been fubared too. Would a misfore cause this dugga, dugga, dugga sound or am I looking at another problem?
Mainly though I want to know.... if this has been caused by me doing something wrong on replacing the plenum? I don't think so and as said I think it needs items replacing which, as it's a practise car, I am not going to do.
Just wondered what your thoughts were? :)
Did you not put a new coil pack on , i thought you did :-\
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Hey up chaps, how are we?
Ok, started the car today. It sounds like a tractor still. I couldn't help but think of Aaron's avatar..
''And it went 'dugga, dugga, dugga, dugga'' hahahaha
Ok, so it seems that putting the leads on the disspac correctly wasn't the problem. I'm thinking that because it recently had th CC Gaskets done, the leads and/or disspac have been fubared too. Would a misfore cause this dugga, dugga, dugga sound or am I looking at another problem?
Mainly though I want to know.... if this has been caused by me doing something wrong on replacing the plenum? I don't think so and as said I think it needs items replacing which, as it's a practise car, I am not going to do.
Just wondered what your thoughts were? :)
Did you not put a new coil pack on , i thought you did :-\
No mate, Ralf said he thought the leads had been put back on incorrectly (in the wrong order) so I thats what i was diong ;)
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It could well be that the leads and/or dispack have been fried by the leads sitting in oil for too long.Tbh,afaik the only sure way to tell is by replacement.Could try replacing just the leads to see if that cures it,or remove the dispack and check for rusting,splitting etc. The route of least hassle would be to beg steal or borrow a dispack complete with leads and fit it all on the car to see if it cures the rough running.This is assuming of course that youve already done the paperclip test and got no codes to report ?
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It could well be that the leads and/or dispack have been fried by the leads sitting in oil for too long.Tbh,afaik the only sure way to tell is by replacement.Could try replacing just the leads to see if that cures it,or remove the dispack and check for rusting,splitting etc. The route of least hassle would be to beg steal or borrow a dispack complete with leads and fit it all on the car to see if it cures the rough running.This is assuming of course that youve already done the paperclip test and got no codes to report ?
That's what I was thinking mate.
I will do the PC test for any codes and any indication of a further problem but as I said at the start if it needs new parts then it's going to get broken I'm afraid..... After I've practised the cambelt, brake replacement, CC Gasket, Head gasket jobs then it will be ''guys, what bits do you want''!!!!
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Just wondering before I do the PC test, Albs, would it cause that racket? I thought the misfire due to fubared leads, dispack or plugs just lead to bad performance when driving? :-\
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It could well be that the leads and/or dispack have been fried by the leads sitting in oil for too long.Tbh,afaik the only sure way to tell is by replacement.Could try replacing just the leads to see if that cures it,or remove the dispack and check for rusting,splitting etc. The route of least hassle would be to beg steal or borrow a dispack complete with leads and fit it all on the car to see if it cures the rough running.This is assuming of course that youve already done the paperclip test and got no codes to report ?
That's what I was thinking mate.
I will do the PC test for any codes and any indication of a further problem but as I said at the start if it needs new parts then it's going to get broken I'm afraid..... After I've practised the cambelt, brake replacement, CC Gasket, Head gasket jobs then it will be ''guys, what bits do you want''!!!!
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Just wondering before I do the PC test, Albs, would it cause that racket? I thought the misfire due to fubared leads, dispack or plugs just lead to bad performance when driving? :-\
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:P :P :P be over in a jiffy :P
Double check the HT leads on in correct order and popped down good :y
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I cant hear the racket webby,so I dont know. :P ;D.....if its not running on all 6 though,it might sound like an old tractor. I suspect it needs someone with relevant experience to pop round and give you the benefit of their knowledge tbh mate. :y
It may help if you take some video of it running and then everyone can have a listen. :-\
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I cant hear the racket webby,so I dont know. :P ;D.....if its not running on all 6 though,it might sound like an old tractor. I suspect it needs someone with relevant experience to pop round and give you the benefit of their knowledge tbh mate. :y
It may help if you take some video of it running and then everyone can have a listen. :-\
....well it goes ''dugga, dugga, dugga, dugga'' ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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had it checked for codes none found steve so i do know what to say about that :o :o :o :o