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[Dave-C]

"If you take the course can you get a 2nd ticket can you apply for yopur money back under the defective sale of goods that it did not work ? "

C&P'd from the linked forum, thought this comment was gr8

[jjleonard]

I agree with you up to a point,but there is still the problem of someone who is paying attention and slows on the approach to a camera but the person behind not paying attention and piling into the back of them,like the motorcyclist I mentioned in an earlier post,who was killed in exactly this scenario.

Point taken. This is a needless waste of life, and in this instance that waste of life was caused by two things:

1) lack of attention by the person behnd, who didn't slow
2) the speed camera

however - I go back to my earlier point. The speed camera was placed to enforce the speed limit in place on the road. The motorcyclist had to slow to get to the speed limit and ensure that he wasn't flashed by the camera, the driver behind wasn't paying attention and therefore killed the motorcyclist. This could have been easily caused by any other road obstacle - imagine if the motorcyclist had to slow abruptly for a rock in the road or some other blockage - the result would, unfortunately, have been the same.

I'm not saying that the motorcyclist was speeding - he could well have been entering a village where the limit dropped from, say 60 to 30, in which case he would have slowed anyway.

The mitigating factor here is the driver behind, not the presence of a camera or otherwise.

[jjleonard]

A good number of years ago on a motorway up in the Highlands ... can't remember now which it was ...... we were all 'making progress' All of a sudden the 1st car braked hard, so we all obvious slammed on brakes too. First driver had slowed because of ta speed camers fastend to the back of the road sign!!  
I doubt that was a revenue earner either .......  :-?  

Granted, that probably was a revenue earner. There were bad times before new speed camera legislation was introduced to avoid that very practice. You mention that it was a 'good number of years ago', and that is the point - how many speed cameras have you not seen since? I have never once been caught out by a speed camera, speeding or otherwise, when I have been paying attention to the road.

Anyway, I'm in danger of constantly repeating myself, so I'll avoid further posts on thsi subject unless the conversation requires it. I think I've made my point clear by now!  

[tunnie]

The 'government' do not build speed cameras to make money.

They get more money from Simon Cowell's income tax, than they do from speeding offences.

Councils build them, as they do get cash from them.

[Dave-C]

Think I've been lasered today was travelling behind Reginald Molehusband in a 40 doing 27, I overtook him on a very straight road, as I was at the side of him silly old sod decided to accelerate upto 40 ish, so, had to get past, or, brake and slot back in, as far as I could see, I was past  the point of no return :-/

Gassed it up and got by, about 45 on the clock, eyeball to eyeball with a laser van   decelerated down, not sure if I was quick enough though.

Oh! well...  should I plead that I'm going to be an MP and it'll all go away....

Comments greatly appreciated  :-/

[albitz]

From what you describe it sounds like Reginald should be charged with driving without due care at the very least,and you did the intelligent thing in the circumstances,BUT cameras and hand held devices used by people who want to got some notches on their belt so to speak dont take account of circumstances like this in the way that an experienced cop would,what you describe demonstrates perfectly to me why these things are not connected to road safety but controlling easy targets and taking their money from them.
If you recieve a NIP,I think you should consider challenging it with the help of a solicitor.

[KillerWatt]

Point taken. This is a needless waste of life, and in this instance that waste of life was caused by two things:

1) lack of attention by the person behnd, who didn't slow
2) the speed camera

We are all guilty of momentary lapses in concentration, but the simple facts are thus....

No camera = motorcycle would not have braked for no apparent reason = car behind would not have piled in to it.

however - I go back to my earlier point. The speed camera was placed to enforce the speed limit in place on the road.

Rubbish.
We are constantly having it hammered down our throats that cameras are there for our safety....that particular camera was placed on a stretch of motorway where it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference whether someone was driving at 70mph or 77mph (other than to their wallet and license).
Even traffic cops themselves openly admit they won't bother with you unless you are in excess of 80mph on a motorway (conditions permitting), so why some continue to believe that a camera knows better than a trained human being is beyond me.
One thing I do know for sure....fook living in the same world as the individual that believes a camera will solve a problem.

This could have been easily caused by any other road obstacle - imagine if the motorcyclist had to slow abruptly for a rock in the road or some other blockage - the result would, unfortunately, have been the same.

I have ridden at competition level since the age of 9, and legally since the age of 16 on a public highway....attaining a full motorcycle license 10 days after turning 17 and jumping straight on to a GSX750.
If I (or anybody I know) had encountered an obstacle on the road at motorway speeds, we sure as $hit wouldn't be putting the anchors on.....trust me on that one.

I'm not saying that the motorcyclist was speeding - he could well have been entering a village where the limit dropped from, say 60 to 30, in which case he would have slowed anyway.

He wasn't entering anything, he was on a bloody motorway!

[Dave-C]

Think I've been lasered today was travelling behind Reginald Molehusband in a 40 doing 27, I overtook him on a very straight road, as I was at the side of him silly old sod decided to accelerate upto 40 ish, so, had to get past, or, brake and slot back in, as far as I could see, I was past  the point of no return :-/

Gassed it up and got by, about 45 on the clock, eyeball to eyeball with a laser van   decelerated down, not sure if I was quick enough though.

Oh! well...  should I plead that I'm going to be an MP and it'll all go away....

Comments greatly appreciated  :-/

Nothing in the post YET!  :-/

[MikeDundee]

Think I've been lasered today was travelling behind Reginald Molehusband in a 40 doing 27, I overtook him on a very straight road, as I was at the side of him silly old sod decided to accelerate upto 40 ish, so, had to get past, or, brake and slot back in, as far as I could see, I was past  the point of no return :-/

Gassed it up and got by, about 45 on the clock, eyeball to eyeball with a laser van   decelerated down, not sure if I was quick enough though.

Oh! well...  should I plead that I'm going to be an MP and it'll all go away....

Comments greatly appreciated  :-/

Nothing in the post YET!  :-/

Think you'll just have to wait and see whether anything comes through the post, anyway you could've always stopped and asked the bloke in the van

[KillerWatt]

Think I've been lasered today was travelling behind Reginald Molehusband in a 40 doing 27, I overtook him on a very straight road, as I was at the side of him silly old sod decided to accelerate upto 40 ish, so, had to get past, or, brake and slot back in, as far as I could see, I was past  the point of no return :-/

Gassed it up and got by, about 45 on the clock, eyeball to eyeball with a laser van   decelerated down, not sure if I was quick enough though.

Oh! well...  should I plead that I'm going to be an MP and it'll all go away....

Comments greatly appreciated  :-/

Nothing in the post YET!  :-/

14 days is the limit, after that they are f**ked for getting you in to court.
There are one or two exceptions where the law allows for longer time, but if the car is registered in your name and your address is correct, then 14 days is the limit (plus a day or two for posting).

[bob.dent]

On my daily route to and from work, in a couple of villages there are several speed warning signs that flash if you you are breaking the limit. These appear to be just as effective as speed camera's but without the pain of points and a fine, as the traffic does seem to slow down to the limit when they flash.
To be honest, I don't know why more local authorities don't install more of these instead of the far more expensive cameras. But then that's far too simple and they wouldn't get any revenue!

[Dave-C]

Think I've been lasered today was travelling behind Reginald Molehusband in a 40 doing 27, I overtook him on a very straight road, as I was at the side of him silly old sod decided to accelerate upto 40 ish, so, had to get past, or, brake and slot back in, as far as I could see, I was past  the point of no return :-/

Gassed it up and got by, about 45 on the clock, eyeball to eyeball with a laser van   decelerated down, not sure if I was quick enough though.

Oh! well...  should I plead that I'm going to be an MP and it'll all go away....

Comments greatly appreciated  :-/

Nothing in the post YET!  :-/

Nothing yet!  Proves the brakes work on my Transit Connect