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[Rods2]

Didn't god flood the world and get Noah to build an ark because he thought he'd cocked up and needed to start again?
Well....I think it's long overdue this time....

Don't worry he has got the Green religion working for him this time to reduce CO2 and deepen the current ice age. Better stock up on 10,000 years of food, fuel and plenty of sets of thermals. 

[STMO123]

Steve, I did not intend to belittle other religions.....people may choose whatever.

I stated my point of view, which I came to by thinking about all the wars, hunger, illnesses, suffering to humans, the billions of savage deaths, even to animals etc, etc in the world.

When I think of how some of my family, now, and in the past have suffered, and died, I feel there is only one option for me

No sleight was intended, I was generalising.  I have been known to get quite angry/frusrated about it, but you can't have a logical discussion when faced with 'faith'.

[Nickbat]

It's actually not a question of faith at all. Faith is personal and spiritual.

Although it may seem, on the surface, that faith causes wars/unrest, the truth is somewhat more complex. Humans have an in-built herd instinct and a need to feel secure as part of a wider group. Often, religion is a handy tag, but dig deeper and you'll often find that many of those who claim to be religious have little if no concept of the detail of the faith to which they apparently adhere.

In reality, many humans seek like-minded souls for security. This can often be, at a local level, support for a football team . You only need to look at Rangers and Celtic to see this at work. However, it's got sod all to do with faith. There are just as many "local derby" matches, at which the enmity between fans cannot be attributed to faith. Equally, the violence in the Uk in the 1950s between Mods and Rockers was between groups who felt that their gangs (= their security) was being threatened by others.

From a local to national level, we can see that neither WWW1 or WW2 was instigated through religious rivalry. In the case of the former, the leaders of Serbs and the Austro-Hungarians were rivals for power. In WW2, Hitler actually tried to sideline religion and merely used the danger to the security of the Arian race posed by gypsies and Jews to bind people together in the fight to maintain their apparent security.

What I am saying, albeit in a late-night long-winded way, is that blaming religion as a cause of strife is a cop-out. Even if there were no organised religions or faiths, humans would still find a way to bind themselves in groups and fight to protect their groups from perceived threats from other groups, however notional/imaginary.     

[Entwood]

As Nick said .. but in a simpler way ... tribes fight for land/power/supremacy/women .... and "nations" or even "religions" are just very large "tribes"

[Rods2]

Humans are violent territorial animals. As this is instinctive along with banding together into groups for mutual protection, like packs or herd of animals and shoals of fish, it will never change.

The most dangerous animal to man is man.

[Terbs]

Humans are violent territorial animals. As this is instinctive along with banding together into groups for mutual protection, like packs or herd of animals and shoals of fish, it will never change.

The most dangerous animal to man is man.

Yes...well put.
But....ponder this.....would we be in Afghanistan now if it wasn't for the politicians? Would we have been involved in other conflicts around the world if not for politicians. Would the ordinary man in the street (or soldier) say...I don't agree with that, I am off to Afghanistan....I personally think not

[cleggy]

What happens in other countries is none of our business, just let them get on with it and we'll pick up the pieces.
Why should our young die in an allah forsaken country when we can't ( for a reason that escapes me) destroy the poppies that produce the opium whose sale to the west funds the terrorism ETC ETC.

 Pull our boys out now, for once I agree with a liberal, Paddy Asdown  and we've lost, save our boys lives from the so callled afghani police force and destroy the neandertals with drones.

Politicians don't have a clue, they care about themselves END OF

[Terbs]

What happens in other countries is none of our business, just let them get on with it and we'll pick up the pieces.
Why should our young die in an allah forsaken country when we can't ( for a reason that escapes me) destroy the poppies that produce the opium whose sale to the west funds the terrorism ETC ETC.

 Pull our boys out now, for once I agree with a liberal, Paddy Asdown  and we've lost, save our boys lives from the so callled afghani police force and destroy the neandertals with drones.

Politicians don't have a clue, they care about themselves END OF

 

[Entwood]

What happens in other countries is none of our business, just let them get on with it and we'll pick up the pieces.
Why should our young die in an allah forsaken country when we can't ( for a reason that escapes me) destroy the poppies that produce the opium whose sale to the west funds the terrorism ETC ETC.

 Pull our boys out now, for once I agree with a liberal, Paddy Asdown  and we've lost, save our boys lives from the so callled afghani police force and destroy the neandertals with drones.

Politicians don't have a clue, they care about themselves END OF

United Nations mandate (under which we operate) SPECIFICALLY banned the destruction of drug related crops.

The "war" in Afghanistan is about power, the Taliban want power, mainly to control the drug crop as that what makes them money - (they also like power for its own ends .. which is why they target womens rights) .... many of us have always said the fastest way to end the afghan problem is  with a few armoured ploughs and lawn mowers ......  simply chop down the poppiies just before harvest... remove the source of income/power ... but the UN prohibit it ..

[cleggy]

The UN is a useless entity everyone else ignores it why don't we???

Spray the bloody place with Sodium Chlorate and we'll face the consequence later.

The whole world as gone crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwzsameAdLs

[Entwood]

The UN is a useless entity everyone else ignores it why don't we???

Spray the bloody place with Sodium Chlorate and we'll face the consequence later.

Fortunately, for you, me, and a few million others, the UK (and many other countries) actually believe in the rule of law, it sometimes rankles (Abu Qutada), it often annoys (Welfare Payments), it causes massive sorrow (Afghanistan), but..... at the end of the day .. it actually protects us from an awful lot worse, and many millions of people have given their lives to uphold the simple, but often misquoted ... rule of law

Believe me .. we would be in a far worse place without it.

[cleggy]

Do what's right, not what the law or POLITICS dictates,

[Bionic]

Might this just be the Guardian up to its old tricks again? Who reads that crappy bit of asswipe anyway? Its only a civil servants rag for advertising jobs within that 'gold plated and pension protected service' anyway.
  Bit of luck and the Bulgarians and Romanians, plus any other beggars, all might decide that this land of easy pickings is not for them due to the bad weather and go where its sunny  NOT, cos then they would not have access to our giveaway social funds and benefits for immigrants (before our native British citizen) system.
Teresa May should be the first to export herself to them PERMANENTLY, along with any other wally who thinks as she does......
Makes me want to vote for the BNP......or is UKIP really any good?
Blood pressuire up again now so thanks for starting this thread..................

[cem_devecioglu]

Might this just be the Guardian up to its old tricks again? Who reads that crappy bit of asswipe anyway? Its only a civil servants rag for advertising jobs within that 'gold plated and pension protected service' anyway.
  Bit of luck and the Bulgarians and Romanians, plus any other beggars, all might decide that this land of easy pickings is not for them due to the bad weather and go where its sunny  NOT, cos then they would not have access to our giveaway social funds and benefits for immigrants (before our native British citizen) system.
Teresa May should be the first to export herself to them PERMANENTLY, along with any other wally who thinks as she does......
Makes me want to vote for the BNP......or is UKIP really any good?
Blood pressuire up again now so thanks for starting this thread..................

Bionic be careful, these are my neighbour countries and you cant classify all of them as beggars.. if yes same can be said for every country    remember every country in the world send immigrants to everywhere

[cleggy]

The UN is a useless entity everyone else ignores it why don't we???

Spray the bloody place with Sodium Chlorate and we'll face the consequence later.

Fortunately, for you, me, and a few million others, the UK (and many other countries) actually believe in the rule of law, it sometimes rankles (Abu Qutada), it often annoys (Welfare Payments), it causes massive sorrow (Afghanistan), but..... at the end of the day .. it actually protects us from an awful lot worse, and many millions of people have given their lives to uphold the simple, but often misquoted ... rule of law

Believe me .. we would be in a far worse place without it.

Whilst I totally agree with you I'm afraid others don't play with a straight bat, even those close to home like France. The poppy fields should and must be totally destroyed forever