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[Lizzie_Zoom]

........and that is the problem at the moment.  You express an opinion, my personal experience which was very real for me at the time that in the past was agreed by other members, only to be criticised for doing so.  Kevin you should know me better by now and all I can say is your quote of "allow those who don't attend said meets to insinuate that OOF meets are anything other than a friendly gathering of like-minded petrol heads keen to help each other."  does not reflect what I am doing, nor I am afraid my personal experience. I speak as I find. I can do no more, and are purely responding to the point made by TB that "The national meets (Lakes and Newent) were packed (as were York and EA), the day meets busy." in the context of his opinion of where the OOF is going wrong.

I was purely responding and suggesting that I know why from MY experience, not assumed, not made up and certainly not with malicious intent.

But of course, as I have said in context of historical events, all empires eventually turn in on themselves and rip themselves apart, imploding under accusation and counter-accusation by the parties contained within.  The OOF is at that point with all this that is transpiring now, and I am almost in tears over it.

Perhaps it is time to call it a day for me yet again. The pain is now not worth the gain.

.. and that particular part of my comment was not aimed at your post as much as at STMO's, to be honest, and I apologise that you clearly read it differently to how I intended.

In my view, though, you haven't spoken as you found, in my eyes. STMO (who has, as far as I recall, never attended a meet) starts mumbling that attendance its going down and you reinforce it by implying that there's some sort of obvious reason for it. Fodder for the rumour mill that TheBoy eluded to in his post IMHO.

I'm simply arguing that that isn't my experience of any of the Omega meets. I believe I was at the meet in question and, whilst a lot of us had a very busy day, it was a great example of the spirit of OOF in action. So much so, that we went and drank the bar dry that night and were back sorting out the couple of member's cars that were still in bits the next day! I'm sure many of us got in trouble with our other halves for spending an entire weekend fettling with Omegas but such was the camaraderie, IMHO.

I don't believe there is some malaise that is keeping people away from meets, and I expect to be proved right at Terbert's meet on May bank holiday. It would be great to see you there, actually, Lizzie, because I'm sure your first impression was not an accurate one.

Thanks Kevin, I did think it was targeted at me but obviously in my over-sensitive state at the moment I was wrong! Sorry!

Thanks also for that prompt to attend terberts meet, which I am tempted by.  My only problem is I have a cam belt long overdue for replacement and perhaps are risking it to travel to High Wycombe.  But I will have another think about that for the good of the OOF!

[Mv8.com]

Rods, it's the other way around. As in TB's posts, the admin point of view appears to have been this way for some time. Along with others opinions.

This thread is the result of, not the cause of.

[hotel21]

This thread has caused more problems than all the politics threads put together, IMHO.

It should never have been started in my view. Indeed, I admit that I PM'd another member when it was started and stated my view that OOF had pressed the self-destruct button.

Sadly, I think that may be the case.

 

Perhaps true.  But perhaps its an itch that requires/d scratching.

Does an admin always remain an admin or can a thread be started as a member?   

[hotel21]

This thread has caused more problems than all the politics threads put together, IMHO.

It should never have been started in my view. Indeed, I admit that I PM'd another member when it was started and stated my view that OOF had pressed the self-destruct button.

Sadly, I think that may be the case.

 

That's precisely why it was started and steered in the direction it has ultimately taken!

So, a mind reader then??   

[hotel21]

What started as an honest question by Broocie regarding political threads has been hijacked by the same 1/2 dozen or so who seem unable to let someone else post without instantly answering in order to repeat ad nauseum the comments already made in order to repetitively restate their position, as they must be right.

The thread has gone from a "request for opinion" to a "conspiracy theory"  about OOF closing down, who members are, and what their "agends" are.

As I see it it is almost as if certain members actually WANT either OOF, or GenDis, to be shut down simply so they can shout "I TOLD YOU SO" and  appear to have been right.......

This is fast becoming almost a self-fulfilling prophecy......   

Entwood - Thanks.  You are quite correct.  And thats from Broocie, NOT H21, the admin!

[hotel21]

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You are right Nick, and I almost said it last night in my posts to ht21 but thought better of it in this climate of fear in saying your honest opinions now; this post would have been locked by TB at least if it had not been started by an Admin.  Yes they run the site, but why let such a contentious and disrupted thread run and run drawing out further requirements for us to comment (like I feel compelled to do again now ) when it is doing the OOF no good at all.  TB was right in stating that newbies could well be put off big time with the posts running in GenChat, but then we have this highly destructive thread running!!  For what purpose?

.....

I refer the honerable gentlewoman member to my post a few up regarding posting by an admin or a rank and file member.

[hotel21]

Personally I think the forum has past it's sell by date. It's still a brilliant place for info but the forum as it used to be has changed and I don't think it can be reversed. There are a lot of people on OOF that are so arguementative and think that their way is the only way and don't know when to stop, i'm a bit like that sometimes myself

Agreed Pete.  Also dont know how it can be reversed.

The highlit part is perhaps the nub of the problem.   

[paul.lovejoy]

how about banning them for 48 hours or so, lets face it if your half way through spitting your dummy out  or hammering your point home what can be worse than being silenced or just lock the post

[henryd]

how about banning them for 48 hours or so, lets face it if your half way through spitting your dummy out  or hammering your point home what can be worse than being silenced

Sounds reasonable TBH

[paul.lovejoy]

What started as an honest question by Broocie regarding political threads has been hijacked by the same 1/2 dozen or so who seem unable to let someone else post without instantly answering in order to repeat ad nauseum the comments already made in order to repetitively restate their position, as they must be right.

The thread has gone from a "request for opinion" to a "conspiracy theory"  about OOF closing down, who members are, and what their "agends" are.

As I see it it is almost as if certain members actually WANT either OOF, or GenDis, to be shut down simply so they can shout "I TOLD YOU SO" and  appear to have been right.......

This is fast becoming almost a self-fulfilling prophecy......   

Entwood - Thanks.  You are quite correct.  And thats from Broocie, NOT H21, the admin!

i was going to say that

[omegod]

For Christ sake lock it and forget it, while you are all breathing so much hot air several people on earth will be breathing their last!

Proper getting on my tits is this

[SIR Philbutt]

For Christ sake lock it and forget it, while you are all breathing so much hot air several people on earth will be breathing their last!

Proper getting on my tits is this

+1 and if had another username to use +2 

[hotel21]

To paraphrase an oft quoted stance on political/global warming/whatever threads....

If it don't interest you don't read it.

 

[hotel21]

But yes, perhaps time to lock.

Bottom line - from my admin standpoint - I will attempt to ensure that any of the entrenched arguments that can easily start will be stopped for the general good of the forum.

On a personal level, I hope this thread has done at least one thing.  Caused ALL members to have a rethink about seeing the other side of an argument - you don't have to agree with it - and simply agree to disagree and not try to force feed a viewpoint and to always have the last word.

Thanks.