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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #135 on: 31 August 2013, 21:26:32 »

Yep, I used the correct pin numbers as listed in the guide - colour coding was incidental really. 
I'll check flights .......  :D
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #136 on: 31 August 2013, 21:28:43 »

Although micromise won't give out the software, will they give out a wiring diagram I wonder?  :-\

I'd be v reluctant to look at it (or at least, spend anything on travel) unless we had all means of investigating it, Eg diagnostics..  :-\
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #137 on: 31 August 2013, 21:51:57 »

I agree, but don't see a feasible way forward. So close and yet so far  :'(
Cost is a REALLY big deal ATM, both in general terms and in weighing up against a new kit, so need to be careful with whatever courses of action are considered ........
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #138 on: 31 August 2013, 21:54:49 »

I would check and redo every connection one by one...
I've just read the thread on the LPG forum from when Daz was travelling from Stoke to Lazydocker to get this fitted in 2006 - and it was noted at the time that no software was available... this kit's obviously been around for some time!  :)
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« Reply #139 on: 31 August 2013, 22:08:18 »

2006 :o :o And it was on another mig before that!
I don't doubt that it was working when removed this time round, but I wasn't fully aware of the history, etc and at the time cost was reasonable, albeit I also had to travel to collect it. In hindsight this was very silly, but at the time it suited me.
Now things have changed. I had hoped the kit would have given me a years service but I have lost faith in it. The whole point was to save money on running costs, etc. but this hasn't materialised.
In light of these revelations I'm not convinced there is any point in continuing.
I could go through all the connections but I'm not confident that the other components are ok. There could be issues with the reducer or ECU which would only be evident through diagnostics which looks unlikely.
That's a bit defeatist, but perhaps realistic  :(
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #140 on: 31 August 2013, 22:17:24 »

I lied, sorry, I must have misread something, the date was 2012

http://www.lpgforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11193
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #141 on: 31 August 2013, 22:18:36 »

That's not so bad, but still  :-\
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #142 on: 01 September 2013, 05:59:47 »

I never did fit this kit for Daz but I can confirm that it was fitted and running well on his car. I think he found a LPG guy local to him who helped out so perhaps there are people with access to the software.  :-\
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #143 on: 01 September 2013, 07:32:29 »

Certainly Daz didn't have it, and wasn't aware of it ever being used on the car.
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #144 on: 01 September 2013, 07:42:01 »

Quick question -
apart from correct ECU properties, system needs appropriate rpm and temp feeds to switchover automatically. If the dash panel button forces it onto gas, does this not override the need for these signals?
Just trying to understand before I have another look at it :-[
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #145 on: 01 September 2013, 11:17:58 »

I think what James was getting at is simply that without a wiring diagram to check that ALL the connections are present and correct, and no software either, you're simply pissing in the wind :-\

Constantly, and unsuccessfully trying to force it to run on gas will only wind you up, and may well cause more issues :-\
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #146 on: 01 September 2013, 14:22:10 »

Certainly Daz didn't have it, and wasn't aware of it ever being used on the car.

Sorry... I thought this was the kit he had on his estate at one point :-[
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #147 on: 01 September 2013, 14:30:40 »

Certainly Daz didn't have it, and wasn't aware of it ever being used on the car.

Sorry... I thought this was the kit he had on his estate at one point :-[

Sorry LD, you're exactly right. I was referring to the software, etc.
it is the kit that came from big boy Karl  :y
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #148 on: 01 September 2013, 14:35:49 »

I think what James was getting at is simply that without a wiring diagram to check that ALL the connections are present and correct, and no software either, you're simply pissing in the wind :-\

Constantly, and unsuccessfully trying to force it to run on gas will only wind you up, and may well cause more issues :-\

Thanks al, I accept that. I don't try to force it anymore but was just wondering if in fact that was the purpose of the button as I start to plan my approach to it. My ignorant thinking was that if the force could remove the need for both temp and rpm feeds then the problem would lie elsewhere.
I'm going to start again from the bottom and work through it, but it was just a thought re eliminating certain aspects as I went.
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Re: First gas - some issues
« Reply #149 on: 01 September 2013, 15:14:01 »

All forcing it does is bypass the temperature and pressure, it will still need an accurate RPM signal and injector signals.

From your description of symptoms I suspect that you need to start the wiring from scratch ;)

Also check you don't have any kinks in the pipe work.  :y
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