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[cem_devecioglu]

 
 

Great post. Thanks.

The West will of course do whatever they feel will be the best for the West. Sadly we have seen that more than once. Have they for example decided what to do about Egypt and the huge(military) aid?  I just hope that they don't botch it (yet again)

 

I wish I could say the same for my country, but sadly our foreign politics is 10 failure out of 10 without exception..

in nearly 90 republic years this country was never managed like that.. And I fear it will go worse

[tunnie]

Just like Iraq, go in shoot em all up, topple the leader and replace the it with errrr, a figure head. Just going to turn into another mess, break down into all out war again.

Let Arabs deal with it, it's their mess.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

This is what Assad must be taught.  He cannot get away with it, no more than any other power hungry menace.

Was Assad responsible for the gas attack? I believe now there are enough witnesses on the ground, including operatives from Britain, USA and other countries, who are convinced want you to think it was.  Assad is the one with heavy military hardware.  He is the one who is known to have been bombarding his own populations with heavy shells. He is the head of the country, and must be made to pay.  The World must not allow him to get away with these acts by blaming weaker opponents, like Hitler blamed the Jews for the firing of the Reichstag!

Fixed that for you, Lizzie.

Seriously, though, there is no hard evidence to point the finger at either side. Therefore, we MUST stay out of it. 

Yes there is, although the Syrian Army have shelled the area where more evidence existed; Assad refused to let the UN inspectors enter the area, although now they have been allowed to have been shot at by snipers.  Assad resisted any inspection; the "rebels" did the opposite and guaranteed safe passage for the inspectors.  In addition respected commentators /witnesses have stated only Assad forces had the ability to launch such a widespread horrific attack on their own people, just as Saddam Hussein once did against the Kurds.  Only a dictator could kill in their hundreds fellow Syrian people. It is naive to think otherwise, but is of course exactly what Assad wants outsiders to think, as previous dictators have tried to do to cover their political actions.

[Nickbat]

This is what Assad must be taught.  He cannot get away with it, no more than any other power hungry menace.

Was Assad responsible for the gas attack? I believe now there are enough witnesses on the ground, including operatives from Britain, USA and other countries, who are convinced want you to think it was.  Assad is the one with heavy military hardware.  He is the one who is known to have been bombarding his own populations with heavy shells. He is the head of the country, and must be made to pay.  The World must not allow him to get away with these acts by blaming weaker opponents, like Hitler blamed the Jews for the firing of the Reichstag!

Fixed that for you, Lizzie.

Seriously, though, there is no hard evidence to point the finger at either side. Therefore, we MUST stay out of it. 

Yes there is, although the Syrian Army have shelled the area where more evidence existed; Assad refused to let the UN inspectors enter the area, although now they have been allowed to have been shot at by snipers.  Assad resisted any inspection; the "rebels" did the opposite and guaranteed safe passage for the inspectors.  In addition respected commentators /witnesses have stated only Assad forces had the ability to launch such a widespread horrific attack on their own people, just as Saddam Hussein once did against the Kurds.  Only a dictator could kill in their hundreds fellow Syrian people. It is naive to think otherwise, but is of course exactly what Assad wants outsiders to think, as previous dictators have tried to do to cover their political actions.

Where was your righteous indignation in May, Lizzie? 

U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/05/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505

[cem_devecioglu]

This is what Assad must be taught.  He cannot get away with it, no more than any other power hungry menace.

Was Assad responsible for the gas attack? I believe now there are enough witnesses on the ground, including operatives from Britain, USA and other countries, who are convinced want you to think it was.  Assad is the one with heavy military hardware.  He is the one who is known to have been bombarding his own populations with heavy shells. He is the head of the country, and must be made to pay.  The World must not allow him to get away with these acts by blaming weaker opponents, like Hitler blamed the Jews for the firing of the Reichstag!

Fixed that for you, Lizzie.

Seriously, though, there is no hard evidence to point the finger at either side. Therefore, we MUST stay out of it. 

Yes there is, although the Syrian Army have shelled the area where more evidence existed; Assad refused to let the UN inspectors enter the area, although now they have been allowed to have been shot at by snipers.  Assad resisted any inspection; the "rebels" did the opposite and guaranteed safe passage for the inspectors.  In addition respected commentators /witnesses have stated only Assad forces had the ability to launch such a widespread horrific attack on their own people, just as Saddam Hussein once did against the Kurds.  Only a dictator could kill in their hundreds fellow Syrian people. It is naive to think otherwise, but is of course exactly what Assad wants outsiders to think, as previous dictators have tried to do to cover their political actions.

Lizzie, have you ever been curious about the back side of a theater

[cem_devecioglu]

This is what Assad must be taught.  He cannot get away with it, no more than any other power hungry menace.

Was Assad responsible for the gas attack? I believe now there are enough witnesses on the ground, including operatives from Britain, USA and other countries, who are convinced want you to think it was.  Assad is the one with heavy military hardware.  He is the one who is known to have been bombarding his own populations with heavy shells. He is the head of the country, and must be made to pay.  The World must not allow him to get away with these acts by blaming weaker opponents, like Hitler blamed the Jews for the firing of the Reichstag!

Fixed that for you, Lizzie.

Seriously, though, there is no hard evidence to point the finger at either side. Therefore, we MUST stay out of it. 

Yes there is, although the Syrian Army have shelled the area where more evidence existed; Assad refused to let the UN inspectors enter the area, although now they have been allowed to have been shot at by snipers.  Assad resisted any inspection; the "rebels" did the opposite and guaranteed safe passage for the inspectors.  In addition respected commentators /witnesses have stated only Assad forces had the ability to launch such a widespread horrific attack on their own people, just as Saddam Hussein once did against the Kurds.  Only a dictator could kill in their hundreds fellow Syrian people. It is naive to think otherwise, but is of course exactly what Assad wants outsiders to think, as previous dictators have tried to do to cover their political actions.

Where was your righteous indignation in May, Lizzie? 

U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/05/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505

[leans on the pillow with comfort]

[cleggy]

I really don't give a damn who did it, just remember who invented WMD's in the first place

It is none of this countries business to be involved in the Middle East, we can pick up the pieces when it is over. Will our politicians ever learn  

[Nickbat]

I really don't give a damn who did it, just remember who invented WMD's in the first place

It is none of this countries business to be involved in the Middle East, we can pick up the pieces when it is over. Will our politicians ever learn

Sadly not. 

[cem_devecioglu]

ok.. the latest sniper event and Kerry's explanations show that operation will be done..
 
and I will be very glad if I'm wrong
 
so question is what will be the reaction from other side as Syria is  not alone..

[Rods2]

I really don't give a damn who did it, just remember who invented WMD's in the first place

It is none of this countries business to be involved in the Middle East, we can pick up the pieces when it is over. Will our politicians ever learn

Germany first used poisonous gas in WWI to try and resolve the trench warfare stalemate on the Western front. 

Sarin was discovered by the Germans in the 1930s. Fortunately, Hitler never used it as it was far more potent than any chemical weapons we had at the time.

[Nickbat]

ok.. the latest sniper event and Kerry's explanations show that operation will be done..
 
and I will be very glad if I'm wrong
 
so question is what will be the reaction from other side as Syria is  not alone..

I read today that only 9% of US citizens (opinion poll) support a strike on Syria. I would think that it is a similar number here in the UK.

And I thought democratically-elected presidents, PMs, are our servants and undertake the will of each country's populace.

Wish I wasn't so naive.   

[dbdb]

Wow Godwin's Law kicked in very early on this thread (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law)

If Assad was stupid enough to launch a relatively small chemical weapons attack the very day the UN inspectors arrived in the suburbs of the capital city they are staying in he would have been toppled years ago.  Unfortunately a lot in the west are gullible enough to believe it though .

Obama was stupid (or reckless, or devious, depending on your point of view) to say if the red line of chemical weapons use was crossed he would invade.  That was an open incitement for the rebels (insurgents) to obtain or make sarin (it's not that difficult, remember the Tokyo underground attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway?).

The very obvious softening up of the West's electorate for military action which some here have noticed (and some not ) is I think not for invasion but for a surgical strike to take out Assad and his top supporters.  The mysterious paper bomb 18/7/12 that killed the Syrian defence secretary, the intelligence chief,  plus Assad's brother in law, and wounded many including the interior minister was clearly an attempt to do the same.  This time, if the West have successfully wound up public opinion enough, they can just do it openly with a drone. Or maybe a laser .

[Nickbat]

The ONLY UK politician that tells the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyXQmZCxNvo

..and if it gets me banned by the admins, so be it. This is a dangerous situation for us and, for one, would like to see common sense prevail. 

[dbdb]

if that doesn't get banned this one might

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPdH50UwLHc

[cem_devecioglu]

ok.. the latest sniper event and Kerry's explanations show that operation will be done..
 
and I will be very glad if I'm wrong
 
so question is what will be the reaction from other side as Syria is  not alone..

I read today that only 9% of US citizens (opinion poll) support a strike on Syria. I would think that it is a similar number here in the UK.

And I thought democratically-elected presidents, PMs, are our servants and undertake the will of each country's populace.

Wish I wasn't so naive. 

I also could estimate similiar ratios.. west societies wont accept an unnecessary war unless a serious threat comes into horizon.. however, cant say the same for ruling elite..  Very glad to share the same opinions Nick