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« Reply #45 on: 27 August 2013, 14:21:19 »

The 'west' will wade in - of course it will, it always will while it's (struggling to maintain it's position as) the world's leading 'power'.. I imagine that was a done deal as soon as someone dropped the nerve gas bomb, so to speak.

Though I hope I'm proved wrong and we don't.. Maybe the peace envoy Mr Blair would like to visit (rather than going on holiday, as he has done) and sort it all out, instead.

Bah, politics. Just a way to control the populous..
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« Reply #46 on: 27 August 2013, 16:06:21 »

Though I hope I'm proved wrong and we don't.. Maybe the peace envoy Mr Blair would like to visit (rather than going on holiday, as he has done) and sort it all out, instead.

Mr. B. Liar is already rattling his sabre for military action according to the news at lunch time, although quite why anyone still gives him airtime I'm not sure.
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« Reply #47 on: 27 August 2013, 16:15:48 »

Parliament has been recalled on Thursday. I hope sense prevails and they vote for no involvement or action, that of course assumes that no sexed up reports come to light.
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« Reply #48 on: 27 August 2013, 17:35:56 »

My email to my MP today:

As I have not had a reply to my last e-mail to you some 6 months ago, I have no great hope that you will be reading this any time soon.

I, and everyone I have spoken with on this subject in the past week, are adamantly opposed to ANY British involvement in Syria, appalled as we are at the genocidal activities ongoing in that sad country. It is long now past time that British politicians stopped slopping around the world stage in boots that are far too big for them, thanks to the continued emasculation of our armed forces. You cannot have it both ways, if you wish to be a big player in world politics, you have to have the military might to back it up. Please remind our gung-ho Prime Minister and Foreigh Secretary of the old adage, " Speak softly, but carry a big stick." I'm afraid shouting loudly while holding a conductor's baton doesn't cut it.

 STOP MEDDLING NOW, and concentrate on sorting out the mess the Labour Government left us in.
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« Reply #49 on: 27 August 2013, 17:48:44 »

Though I hope I'm proved wrong and we don't.. Maybe the peace envoy Mr Blair would like to visit (rather than going on holiday, as he has done) and sort it all out, instead.

Mr. B. Liar is already rattling his sabre for military action according to the news at lunch time, although quite why anyone still gives him airtime I'm not sure.

He may be rattling his sabre,but hes rattling it from a huge yacht in the Med. Probably owned by a very dodgy oligarch,or possibly an even dodgier middle eastern dictator. ::)
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« Reply #50 on: 27 August 2013, 17:53:29 »

My email to my MP today:

As I have not had a reply to my last e-mail to you some 6 months ago, I have no great hope that you will be reading this any time soon.

I, and everyone I have spoken with on this subject in the past week, are adamantly opposed to ANY British involvement in Syria, appalled as we are at the genocidal activities ongoing in that sad country. It is long now past time that British politicians stopped slopping around the world stage in boots that are far too big for them, thanks to the continued emasculation of our armed forces. You cannot have it both ways, if you wish to be a big player in world politics, you have to have the military might to back it up. Please remind our gung-ho Prime Minister and Foreigh Secretary of the old adage, " Speak softly, but carry a big stick." I'm afraid shouting loudly while holding a conductor's baton doesn't cut it.

 STOP MEDDLING NOW, and concentrate on sorting out the mess the Labour Government left us in.


you have done what a responsible citizen would do..  :y :y :y :y
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« Reply #51 on: 27 August 2013, 18:10:06 »


So far most opinions are against "troops-on-the-ground". How is that possible ?

So, by air of course, at first. Then Assad stamps even more heavily on the rebels and population, then maybe more air efforts, then . . . . . troops.

Then the body bags start being flown into Brize Norton. Then the political recriminations start.

I would say that Ed Milliband is very happy right now to NOT be in No 10.

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« Reply #52 on: 27 August 2013, 18:27:39 »

The Syrian foreign minister this afternoon stated that if the West i.e the US and U.K take action against them then they would involve Israel...  OOPS :(
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« Reply #53 on: 27 August 2013, 18:50:48 »

The Syrian foreign minister this afternoon stated that if the West i.e the US and U.K take action against them then they would involve Israel...  OOPS :(

Meaning that they would start lobbing missiles over the border, or even more.

Nick Clegg
"What we're considering is a serious response... What we're not considering is regime change, trying to topple the Assad regime"

Now, someone please explain how that would work. Launch targeted air attacks causing death and destruction, and then say "Right now don't be a naughty boy and do that chemical weapon thing again, but you can remain in class", and then expect everything to be right ?

This whole thing is about regime change, the rebellion started in order to attempt regime change. Libya was regime change, Egypt, Iraq. What about WWII, and a whole load of others. NOT about regime change ? Silly boy. Regime change by one means or another is the only answer unless the rebellion stops completely, which it will not.




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« Reply #54 on: 27 August 2013, 22:02:03 »

Though I hope I'm proved wrong and we don't.. Maybe the peace envoy Mr Blair would like to visit (rather than going on holiday, as he has done) and sort it all out, instead.

Mr. B. Liar is already rattling his sabre for military action according to the news at lunch time, although quite why anyone still gives him airtime I'm not sure.

He may be rattling his sabre,but hes rattling it from a huge yacht in the Med. Probably owned by a very dodgy oligarch,or possibly an even dodgier middle eastern dictator. ::)

.. and if the damned thing sunk, nobody would even notice. ;D
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« Reply #55 on: 27 August 2013, 22:26:14 »

subject getting more serious every hour.. media pumping dirty information  for every side.. >:( >:( >:(

I bet owners bought warfare producer firms shares >:(

but what they are skipping is this time Russia look it as a prestige subject and I dont think they will step back.. :-\

and if these events take my country into war I wont move even my finger >:(
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« Reply #56 on: 27 August 2013, 23:27:51 »

My email to my MP today:

As I have not had a reply to my last e-mail to you some 6 months ago, I have no great hope that you will be reading this any time soon.

I, and everyone I have spoken with on this subject in the past week, are adamantly opposed to ANY British involvement in Syria, appalled as we are at the genocidal activities ongoing in that sad country. It is long now past time that British politicians stopped slopping around the world stage in boots that are far too big for them, thanks to the continued emasculation of our armed forces. You cannot have it both ways, if you wish to be a big player in world politics, you have to have the military might to back it up. Please remind our gung-ho Prime Minister and Foreigh Secretary of the old adage, " Speak softly, but carry a big stick." I'm afraid shouting loudly while holding a conductor's baton doesn't cut it.

 STOP MEDDLING NOW, and concentrate on sorting out the mess the Labour Government left us in.


Well said...... :y :y
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« Reply #57 on: 27 August 2013, 23:52:13 »

I sent a message to my local Tory MP through the:

http://www.writetothem.com/

website.

I suggested that if he supports the two adolescent fools (Cameron and Hague), then any Syrian/British lives lost in military action will result with blood on his hands. Also, that I would be watching his vote VERY carefully.

Wonder if he'll sleep well tonight?  ;)


 
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« Reply #58 on: 28 August 2013, 00:11:46 »

I sent this email to my MP Dr Phillip Lee in Bracknell tonight.

"The use of nerve gas is Syria is rightly being condemned internationally and that is no doubt that the Assad regime is oppressive, brutal and vile.

Unfortunately, many of the rebels groups are backed by Al Qaeda and are equally as bad.

None of our military adventures this century has had a good outcome, in Iraq, Afghanistan or more recently Libya. Our approval of a regime change in Egypt has also not led to a good result with the Muslim Brotherhood being voted into power and then removed by force where they pushed the country against the majority's wishes towards a much more radical version of the Islamic religion.

Although I can see the temptation of punishing Assad for the use of chemical weapons to send a message to other dictators that this is unacceptable behaviour, I can't see how this is going to make things better in Syria. Once we start there are real dangers that we will make things worse, with our missiles killing innocent civilians, either accidentally or if Assad uses them as human shields, thus adding to the casualties. With no clear objectives or reliable rebel groups to back to guarantee a better future for Syria, a regime change may well make things much worse and there is real danger of mission creep where we get more and more deeply involved in trying to force a more favourable outcome for the majority.

If I thought that our involvement would improve the situation and provide a better future for the Syrians I would back military intervention, but in the present circumstances, I feel us getting involved will just make things worse and therefore I urge you to vote against any military intervention there at this time."

I corresponded with him before and he has always taken the time to reply, but he is very much a party man, so I will follow how he votes in Thursday's debate with interest.
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« Reply #59 on: 28 August 2013, 01:28:28 »

I sent this email to my MP Dr Phillip Lee in Bracknell tonight.

"The use of nerve gas is Syria is rightly being condemned internationally and that is no doubt that the Assad regime is oppressive, brutal and vile.

Unfortunately, many of the rebels groups are backed by Al Qaeda and are equally as bad.

None of our military adventures this century has had a good outcome, in Iraq, Afghanistan or more recently Libya. Our approval of a regime change in Egypt has also not led to a good result with the Muslim Brotherhood being voted into power and then removed by force where they pushed the country against the majority's wishes towards a much more radical version of the Islamic religion.

Although I can see the temptation of punishing Assad for the use of chemical weapons to send a message to other dictators that this is unacceptable behaviour, I can't see how this is going to make things better in Syria. Once we start there are real dangers that we will make things worse, with our missiles killing innocent civilians, either accidentally or if Assad uses them as human shields, thus adding to the casualties. With no clear objectives or reliable rebel groups to back to guarantee a better future for Syria, a regime change may well make things much worse and there is real danger of mission creep where we get more and more deeply involved in trying to force a more favourable outcome for the majority.

If I thought that our involvement would improve the situation and provide a better future for the Syrians I would back military intervention, but in the present circumstances, I feel us getting involved will just make things worse and therefore I urge you to vote against any military intervention there at this time."

I corresponded with him before and he has always taken the time to reply, but he is very much a party man, so I will follow how he votes in Thursday's debate with interest.

Sent similar to mine........ :y :( :(
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