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[cleggy]

I sent this email to my MP Dr Phillip Lee in Bracknell tonight.

"The use of nerve gas is Syria is rightly being condemned internationally and that is no doubt that the Assad regime is oppressive, brutal and vile.

Unfortunately, many of the rebels groups are backed by Al Qaeda and are equally as bad.

None of our military adventures this century has had a good outcome, in Iraq, Afghanistan or more recently Libya. Our approval of a regime change in Egypt has also not led to a good result with the Muslim Brotherhood being voted into power and then removed by force where they pushed the country against the majority's wishes towards a much more radical version of the Islamic religion.

Although I can see the temptation of punishing Assad for the use of chemical weapons to send a message to other dictators that this is unacceptable behaviour, I can't see how this is going to make things better in Syria. Once we start there are real dangers that we will make things worse, with our missiles killing innocent civilians, either accidentally or if Assad uses them as human shields, thus adding to the casualties. With no clear objectives or reliable rebel groups to back to guarantee a better future for Syria, a regime change may well make things much worse and there is real danger of mission creep where we get more and more deeply involved in trying to force a more favourable outcome for the majority.

If I thought that our involvement would improve the situation and provide a better future for the Syrians I would back military intervention, but in the present circumstances, I feel us getting involved will just make things worse and therefore I urge you to vote against any military intervention there at this time."

I corresponded with him before and he has always taken the time to reply, but he is very much a party man, so I will follow how he votes in Thursday's debate with interest.

Sent similar to mine........

Snap, why is it always us why don't the Arabs sort their own problems out

[cem_devecioglu]

I sent this email to my MP Dr Phillip Lee in Bracknell tonight.

"The use of nerve gas is Syria is rightly being condemned internationally and that is no doubt that the Assad regime is oppressive, brutal and vile.

Unfortunately, many of the rebels groups are backed by Al Qaeda and are equally as bad.

None of our military adventures this century has had a good outcome, in Iraq, Afghanistan or more recently Libya. Our approval of a regime change in Egypt has also not led to a good result with the Muslim Brotherhood being voted into power and then removed by force where they pushed the country against the majority's wishes towards a much more radical version of the Islamic religion.

Although I can see the temptation of punishing Assad for the use of chemical weapons to send a message to other dictators that this is unacceptable behaviour, I can't see how this is going to make things better in Syria. Once we start there are real dangers that we will make things worse, with our missiles killing innocent civilians, either accidentally or if Assad uses them as human shields, thus adding to the casualties. With no clear objectives or reliable rebel groups to back to guarantee a better future for Syria, a regime change may well make things much worse and there is real danger of mission creep where we get more and more deeply involved in trying to force a more favourable outcome for the majority.

If I thought that our involvement would improve the situation and provide a better future for the Syrians I would back military intervention, but in the present circumstances, I feel us getting involved will just make things worse and therefore I urge you to vote against any military intervention there at this time."

I corresponded with him before and he has always taken the time to reply, but he is very much a party man, so I will follow how he votes in Thursday's debate with interest.

Sent similar to mine........

Snap, why is it always us why don't the Arabs sort their own problems out

good question   because they have oil   if they dont have, trust me your politicians wouldnt care!

[cem_devecioglu]

I sent this email to my MP Dr Phillip Lee in Bracknell tonight.

"The use of nerve gas is Syria is rightly being condemned internationally and that is no doubt that the Assad regime is oppressive, brutal and vile.

Unfortunately, many of the rebels groups are backed by Al Qaeda and are equally as bad.
 
good point.. actually those rebels are unbelievably worse..  we have seen/witnessed that first hand

None of our military adventures this century has had a good outcome, in Iraq, Afghanistan or more recently Libya. Our approval of a regime change in Egypt has also not led to a good result with the Muslim Brotherhood being voted into power and then removed by force where they pushed the country against the majority's wishes towards a much more radical version of the Islamic religion.

Although I can see the temptation of punishing Assad for the use of chemical weapons to send a message to other dictators that this is unacceptable behaviour, I can't see how this is going to make things better in Syria. Once we start there are real dangers that we will make things worse, with our missiles killing innocent civilians, either accidentally or if Assad uses them as human shields, thus adding to the casualties. With no clear objectives or reliable rebel groups to back to guarantee a better future for Syria, a regime change may well make things much worse and there is real danger of mission creep where we get more and more deeply involved in trying to force a more favourable outcome for the majority.

If I thought that our involvement would improve the situation and provide a better future for the Syrians I would back military intervention, but in the present circumstances, I feel us getting involved will just make things worse and therefore I urge you to vote against any military intervention there at this time."

I corresponded with him before and he has always taken the time to reply, but he is very much a party man, so I will follow how he votes in Thursday's debate with interest.

Rods , I see that you are also effected by the media (which is expected- no one is immune) but still your opinions are on the correct line
 
however, assad is not another saddam..   he is a usual syrian figure.. and any man you select from the streets wont behave different in his position..
 
however, as I told before in other threads,  politicans have to do their duty..  because they are not the real decision makers.. decision is made and will be applied.. and I wish million times I'm wrong
 

[Sir Tigger KC]

good question   because they have oil   if they dont have, trust me your politicians wouldnt care!

You're right there Cem, if there was no oil in the Middle East and it was just sand and camel dung, nobody would care! 

When Robert Mugabe slaughtered 20,000 odd Matabeles in Zimbabwe in the 1980's nobody intervened and we all looked the other way during the Rwandan genocide in the 1990's. 

Too be honest I'm undecided about military action in Syria.  I'm not totally convinced that it was Assad's forces that used the chemical weapons, as it might well have been the opposition forces trying to provoke a response from the West.    If we do send a few cruise missiles into Damascus what good will it do?   

However if we'd sent a message to Mugabe attached to a cruise missile in the 1980's, then maybe Zimbabwe would be a better place for it today..... 

[cem_devecioglu]

good question   because they have oil   if they dont have, trust me your politicians wouldnt care!

You're right there Cem, if there was no oil in the Middle East and it was just sand and camel dung, nobody would care! 

When Robert Mugabe slaughtered 20,000 odd Matabeles in Zimbabwe in the 1980's nobody intervened and we all looked the other way during the Rwandan genocide in the 1990's. 

Too be honest I'm undecided about military action in Syria.  I'm not totally convinced that it was Assad's forces that used the chemical weapons, as it might well have been the opposition forces trying to provoke a response from the West.    If we do send a few cruise missiles into Damascus what good will it do?   

However if we'd sent a message to Mugabe attached to a cruise missile in the 1980's, then maybe Zimbabwe would be a better place for it today..... 

bang on

[aaronjb]

I corresponded with him before and he has always taken the time to reply, but he is very much a party man, so I will follow how he votes in Thursday's debate with interest.

That's an understatement.. I still remember the letter he sent me about petrol prices - not our fault, OPEC, crude oil, blah blah blah.. I imagine he's as much a eunuch as the rest of them.

However if we'd sent a message to Mugabe attached to a cruise missile in the 1980's, then maybe Zimbabwe would be a better place for it today..... 

I know plenty of (white, admittedly) Zims who would wholeheartedly agree with you!

[Varche]

Syria actually has quite sophisticated weaponry and defences.

I suspect it isn't going to be the pushover of Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Eqypt where we just pop in and pop out. IF there is any intervention the West needs other Middle eastern states on side and maybe even participating.

T'is very dangerous times we live in. Maybe a WW3 would sort out fiscal issues elsewhere.......

[Rods2]

Syria actually has quite sophisticated weaponry and defences.

I suspect it isn't going to be the pushover of Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Eqypt where we just pop in and pop out. IF there is any intervention the West needs other Middle eastern states on side and maybe even participating.

T'is very dangerous times we live in. Maybe a WW3 would sort out fiscal issues elsewhere.......

Just remember what Einstein said about WW4 as a result of WW3. The main participants in WW3 would have the capacity to kill most of the world's inhabitants.

All massive wars are a financial disaster. The UK had to use light feet and slight of hand not to join the 30% of sovereign nations that defaulted in the 1950's as a result of the 1930's depression and WWII. I suspect with many Western countries weak finances, it would push what was left of the people and their economies over the edge. 

[Nickbat]

Interesting...

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/video-shows-rebels-launching-gas-attack-in-syria/

[cem_devecioglu]

Interesting...

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/video-shows-rebels-launching-gas-attack-in-syria/

today also Haaretz mention about a chlorine factory in rebels area..
 
but regardless of the fact my tenner says Syria will be bombed.. 
 
and I gave the permission to US to bomb free syrian army of b*st*rds on our Lands who is actually responsible of everything

[Rods2]

Many people are not convinced that attacking Syria is the right thing to do.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100232856/syria-i-hope-i-can-support-the-government-tomorrow-but-im-not-yet-persuaded-to-do-so/

Nickbat, I have read today that US intelligence have linked the gas attack with Assad's brother, who is the regimes enforcer. An odious person, even by brutal dictator standards, but after the "sexed up" Iraq WMD, who knows how valid this is? 

[Nickbat]

Many people are not convinced that attacking Syria is the right thing to do.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100232856/syria-i-hope-i-can-support-the-government-tomorrow-but-im-not-yet-persuaded-to-do-so/

Nickbat, I have read today that US intelligence have linked the gas attack with Assad's brother, who is the regimes enforcer. An odious person, even by brutal dictator standards, but after the "sexed up" Iraq WMD, who knows how valid this is? 

I still reckon that, with the government forces holding the upper hand in that district at the time, and the location being only 5 minutes from the Four Seasons Hotel where the UN Inspectors were, one would need to look for signs of stupidity rather than odiousness.  

[Varche]

Fantastic.

Cameron and Obama agree a timetable and what military intervention for Syria.

Then Cameron says they will have a parliamentary vote on the "principle" of military action but with the promise that they will get another say before any missiles are fired.  Well that will all be too late!

UN inspectors mandate is  not to discover who used chemical weapons. It is to confirm whether they were used. 

Who controls foreign policy in Britain? Ed Miliband  That is a first that the government doesn't !

Has anyone ever found it a little strange that none of the main TV news channels ever reports what Europe feel about Syria? It is always USA this USA the other. For what it is worth the Frenchies are keen on military action.

[cem_devecioglu]

Russian warships are sent to area ..    (interfax)
 
I said this became a prestige subject for them.. 
 
Gennadiy Gatilov (from Russian foreign ministry)  said
 
"announcing/declaring  military operation for syria  means challenging international law norms"
 
 
 
 
how you say , batten down the hatches
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Varche]

cem. What do you personally and also the Turkish government think the rest of the world should do about Syria?