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[cleggy]

The UK government has lost the vote on Syria by 285 votes to 272

 

David Cameron says vote shows Parliament does not want military intervention in Syria. “I get that, and the government will act accordingly”

Nor do the people you represent, so what will they do to get round it?

[Nickbat]

The UK government has lost the vote on Syria by 285 votes to 272

 

David Cameron says vote shows Parliament does not want military intervention in Syria. “I get that, and the government will act accordingly”

Nor do the people you represent, so what will they do to get round it?

Nothing. I think Cameron's toast. 

[cem_devecioglu]

The UK government has lost the vote on Syria by 285 votes to 272



David Cameron says vote shows Parliament does not want military intervention in Syria. “I get that, and the government will act accordingly”

 
phew .. very close.. but thats the best news today 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Democracy at work!    I'm sure that all those emails from OOFers to their MP's tipped the scales!! 

[cem_devecioglu]

but still I'm not sure this will stop US missiles

[Sir Tigger KC]

Maybe not, but at the moment it looks as though Britain won't be joining the party when and if it kicks off. 

Can Obama launch attacks without a vote in Congress? 

[Rods2]

but still I'm not sure this will stop US missiles

It will make it a little less likely where the US likes to have allies, so there is collective responsibility.

I think the UK is suffering from war fatigue with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and the liberal support for Egyptian regime change.  In all of these cases our intervention has led to much civilian loss of live and worse outcomes for who leads the country. In the Middle East it seems to be either strong dictatorships or sectarian violence amongst the various tribes. From the 'uman rights point of view this is bad, but the UK interests are better served by having Western leaning dictators. We live in an imperfect world and as a declining minor power with a small military we cannot put the world to rights and nor should we try to.

Sectarian violence is killing over 1,000 civilians in Iraq every month and this is getting worse, Afghanistan has had a heavy toll on the UK military with many deaths and permanent injuries from enemy contact and IEDs. My money is on that within 12 months of the withdrawal of allied troops it will be ruled by the Taliban again where it is in Iran's and Pakistan's interest for this to happen. Our armed forces have performed badly both Iraq and Afghanistan due to poor inadequate equipment, poor leadership and inappropriate rules of engagement. It has been a case of our troops on the ground (the lions) being led by senior officers and politicians (the donkeys).

The toppling of Gaddafi (to save Sarkozy's skin from where he obtained illegal party funds from him) has led to the widespread looting of his arms dumps and the arming of all sorts of undesirable groups, which have spread out throughout the Middle East and North Africa causing problems which is why French troops are deployed in Mali.

I can't see how our intervention will make Syria better and reduce the number of civilian casualties. If I thought a military intervention by us would make things better I would back it, but on our current record I think we will make things worse. It also doesn't meet the criterion of; does it affect UK interests or threaten the UK, the simple answer to this is no and no.

The evisceration of our armed forces by this current Government has also made us much weaker militarily and the spending of yet more money on an overseas adventure would make this even worse.

[cem_devecioglu]

as I was very nervous yesterday night , may be my reaction was inadeqaute about the voting results.. sorry for that..
 
now its time to underline what happened again..
 
its a great result and UK mps (and citizens) showed the world (and also to cowboys-including my govt) what a civilised country is.. congratulations 
 
and as for Taliban Rods.. probably its the only place where west have really right to bomb and I hope west will bomb them forever..  Earth must be completely cleaned from those primitives and their way of thinking
 
and a final note , although oil turns the west against assad , the rebels of syria is no different than talibans and in reality may be worse

[05omegav6]

Think the MPs have been short sighted with their vote tbh

My take was that they were recalled to discuss and agree on a complete course of action in order to be ready to react to the UN as and when it (the UN) make a decision. Now it will take months to respond as they will have to argue the toss every step.

The only people who said anything about going to war and cruise missiles are theDaily Fail, the BBC and some brocolli munching leftist MPs. Shame on Milibland for killing any hope of us playing a meaningful role in the whole sorry mess.

[cem_devecioglu]

Think the MPs have been short sighted with their vote tbh

My take was that they were recalled to discuss and agree on a complete course of action in order to be ready to react to the UN as and when it (the UN) make a decision. Now it will take months to respond as they will have to argue the toss every step.

The only people who said anything about going to war and cruise missiles are theDaily Fail, the BBC and some brocolli munching leftist MPs. Shame on Milibland for killing any hope of us playing a meaningful role in the whole sorry mess.

I see you want war who hold/stop you join the army

or come here and join the rebels

[05omegav6]

Not at all Cem. Military response should and must be a last resort. But it is surely better to be completely prepared for any given course rather than botching a last minute effort which is where we will end up chasing the Americans into yet another middle east balls up... That said I'm not convinced that the Americans are hell bent on all out war either...

[Sir Tigger KC]

Not sure what was going on but the sky's were very busy last night (Wednesday) over West Norfolk with military aircraft both American and British going off,but didnt hear or see them coming back???

I wonder how much the MOD has spent moving assets to Cyprus and the Med in recent weeks?   

[SandBoy]

I dont think any one wants an all out war
But if you give the green light to dictators then they will take advantage

I still reckon things will change when the UN give their report over the weekend,if international law has been broken then something needs to be done and Britain is one of the top 5 in the UN.
With Syria,Libya,Iran,Afghan et al all at it,then something will give (Israel have gone quite ).

It only needs one of them to react against whoever and BOOM
I dont care for myself it is my grandchildren I fear for

There were those that shouted from the rooftops that something was to be done against Sadam and when it was,the same condemned.
Strategic strikes for me is the answer.....basically a few rockets up the wotsit
Wasn't there a prediction that those on camels will bring down the Western world :

[Kevin Wood]

It's pretty clear to me that Cameron lost the vote because he didn't being enough arguments of any substance to the table. He's been swept along by Obama's haste to act now the "red line" has been crossed and it was effectively a vote on trotting along behind him like a good little lap dog. Rightly, imho, it was rejected. We've done enough of that recently and it hasn't made the world a better place.

As for the UN making a decision on action.. well, I think we've got plenty of time there.

[albitz]

Possibly the right result for the wrong reasons ? Milipede got his lot to vote against,in order to damage Camoron and to try to boost his own poll ratings. A disgraceful attitude to such a serious issue imo.