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[chrisgixer]

Pants down Paddy summed it up for me.

Utterly ashamed of the lack of support for the people of Syria. But not just since the chemical weapons issue, but since the start of the conflict within Syria.

Russia's vito on intervention is clearly the result of financial interest with Assad. If not for Russia, the UN would have intervened long before, and God knows how many lives would have been saved.

But more than all of that.... The Arab league sit and do nothing.




Chemical weapons has killed a fraction of the total number of dead since the conflict began.

[cem_devecioglu]

one point which took my attention.. most here thinks assad is dictator.. in middle east every country is dictated by dictators, who on earth thinks there is democracy in any of the middle east countries.. 

and if we start to shoot the dictators and bomb the countries we must do it for all

[Nickbat]

Possibly the right result for the wrong reasons ? Milipede got his lot to vote against,in order to damage Camoron and to try to boost his own poll ratings. A disgraceful attitude to such a serious issue imo.

No, party politics aside, I think it was great to see the legislature defeat the executive. The country as a whole had no stomach for such a foreign adventure and, frankly, following the Iraq WMD fiasco, the public did not want to rely upon "intelligence" to point the finger at Assad. Even Cameron could not be 100% certain he was responsible.

I think the whole red-line bit is a joke. The rebels used CW in May and nowt happened. Plus, isn't it a bit strange to say 100,000 killed by bomb and bullet is OK, but 1,000 killed by a gas is not? Incidentally, I seem to recall napalm being used extensively in Vietnam, yet the US was not contravening any conventions, however horrid such a weapon is, because, although it is a chemical substance, it did not affect the nervous system - merely burned all your skin off.  

[Varche]

Does anyone else think that that was only part1? We have our hardware in the Middle east ready, chiefs of the armed forces have drawn up their plans.

Still time for a rethink, another vote or even an override of voting "in National and Syrias interests". If someone did a CW strike on Alleppo.........

Was this also another nail in Cameron's coffin.? Soon be time to wheel out Boris.....

[SandBoy]

one point which took my attention.. most here thinks assad is dictator.. in middle east every country is dictated by dictators, who on earth thinks there is democracy in any of the middle east countries.. 

and if we start to shoot the dictators and bomb the countries we must do it for all

And personally I think that's where the problems lay,so we have some jumped up hitleresque type "dictator/s".... who want to rule by hurting their own countries people.......stick a rocket up their "dictoriums"
Use of chemical weaponry is an international crime and should be dealt with for the sake of our children and theirs

[05omegav6]

It is precisely because of conflicts like Vietnam and the First and Second world wars that chemical weapons and their use against civilians is so frowned upon. Sitting on our hands debating the whys and wherefores is at least as useless as wading in guns blazing.

A united response was all that was required. Simply an agreement to do something as and when the UN require it.
I agree with Albs last sentiment...

[SandBoy]

It is precisely because of conflicts like Vietnam and the First and Second world wars that chemical weapons and their use against civilians is so frowned upon. Sitting on our hands debating the whys and wherefores is at least as useless as wading in guns blazing.

A united response was all that was required. Simply an agreement to do something as and when the UN require it.
I agree with Albs last sentiment...

[Kevin Wood]

.. but the UN will likely achieve nothing but a stalemate between the west and east (again!), which would leave it to an ill thought-out "regime change" led by the US, the drafting of another dodgy dossier pinning the CW attack on whoever it suits them and, if Cameron had got his way, us hanging on to their coat-tails on the strength of it. A load more suffering will ensue, dwarfing that of the poor souls caught up in the original CW attack. Nobody will be any better off as a result.

Use of chemical weapons is indeed deplorable, but we've tried this formula before. Another solution needs to be found this time IMHO.

[05omegav6]

As long as that alternative solution doesn't involve nothing

[Nickbat]

.. but the UN will likely achieve nothing but a stalemate between the west and east (again!), which would leave it to an ill thought-out "regime change" led by the US, the drafting of another dodgy dossier pinning the CW attack on whoever it suits them and, if Cameron had got his way, us hanging on to their coat-tails on the strength of it. A load more suffering will ensue, dwarfing that of the poor souls caught up in the original CW attack. Nobody will be any better off as a result.

Use of chemical weapons is indeed deplorable, but we've tried this formula before. Another solution needs to be found this time IMHO.

Spot on, Kevin! 

[Rods2]

CaMoron was working to Obuma's timetable and it badly backfired on him. He should have waited for the UN report before deciding what action to take and also have enough information to pin it on the appropriate side. I personally don't have a problem with a response to whoever caused this outrage Assad or the Rebels, providing there is a credible plan to stop further use, and ideally to also reduce the suffering of innocent civilians.

A credible plan is exactly the problem, say it was Assad and we bomb his C&C bunkers which weakens his position militarily so in desperation he makes mass attacks using his poison gas supplies, have we improved the situation? Now if we attack the chemical factories and his chemical supply dumps and poison and kill many civilians that live around them, have we improved the situation?

How about if the faction with the chemical weapons retaliate with suicide bombers on the London underground or Turkish cities. Do we all have gas masks and are prepared for this?

The problem is how do you improve the situation in Syria where a rebel replacement for Assad maybe a whole lot worse and whose first action maybe is to wipe out the 2 million Christians there.

So, those in favour of action, please tell me what we need to do to improve things, as I can't see any course of action that will and I know many very senior ex-military officers can't either and this is why so many people are opposed to our intervention including the majority of MPs.

[Varche]

CaMoron was working to Obuma's timetable and it badly backfired on him. He should have waited for the UN report before deciding what action to take and also have enough information to pin it on the appropriate side. I personally don't have a problem with a response to whoever caused this outrage Assad or the Rebels, providing there is a credible plan to stop further use, and ideally to also reduce the suffering of innocent civilians.

A credible plan is exactly the problem, say it was Assad and we bomb his C&C bunkers which weakens his position militarily so in desperation he makes mass attacks using his poison gas supplies, have we improved the situation? Now if we attack the chemical factories and his chemical supply dumps and poison and kill many civilians that live around them, have we improved the situation?

How about if the faction with the chemical weapons retaliate with suicide bombers on the London underground or Turkish cities. Do we all have gas masks and are prepared for this?

The problem is how do you improve the situation in Syria where a rebel replacement for Assad maybe a whole lot worse and whose first action maybe is to wipe out the 2 million Christians there.

So, those in favour of action, please tell me what we need to do to improve things, as I can't see any course of action that will and I know many very senior ex-military officers can't either and this is why so many people are opposed to our intervention including the majority of MPs.

Spot on.

Where is the Arab League in all of this? The West should be supporting them in promoting peace and harmony

I have just doubled my bet to 20 euros missile strikes Sunday night. Israeli influence is the crucial thing here.

[cem_devecioglu]

CaMoron was working to Obuma's timetable and it badly backfired on him. He should have waited for the UN report before deciding what action to take and also have enough information to pin it on the appropriate side. I personally don't have a problem with a response to whoever caused this outrage Assad or the Rebels, providing there is a credible plan to stop further use, and ideally to also reduce the suffering of innocent civilians.

A credible plan is exactly the problem, say it was Assad and we bomb his C&C bunkers which weakens his position militarily so in desperation he makes mass attacks using his poison gas supplies, have we improved the situation? Now if we attack the chemical factories and his chemical supply dumps and poison and kill many civilians that live around them, have we improved the situation?

How about if the faction with the chemical weapons retaliate with suicide bombers on the London underground or Turkish cities. Do we all have gas masks and are prepared for this?

The problem is how do you improve the situation in Syria where a rebel replacement for Assad maybe a whole lot worse and whose first action maybe is to wipe out the 2 million Christians there.

So, those in favour of action, please tell me what we need to do to improve things, as I can't see any course of action that will and I know many very senior ex-military officers can't either and this is why so many people are opposed to our intervention including the majority of MPs.

Spot on.

Where is the Arab League in all of this? The West should be supporting them in promoting peace and harmony

I have just doubled my bet to 20 euros missile strikes Sunday night. Israeli influence is the crucial thing here.

UK mps votes may delay the procedure a bit.. but sooner or later

[Rods2]

How did your MP vote?

Here is a list:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10275474/Syria-debate-how-did-your-MP-vote.html

I will give credit where credits due. My MP Dr Phillip Lee of Bracknell is normally a party man but he voted against the Syrian intervention, so well done to him.  I'm glad I took the time to email him.

[cem_devecioglu]

CaMoron was working to Obuma's timetable and it badly backfired on him. He should have waited for the UN report before deciding what action to take and also have enough information to pin it on the appropriate side. I personally don't have a problem with a response to whoever caused this outrage Assad or the Rebels, providing there is a credible plan to stop further use, and ideally to also reduce the suffering of innocent civilians.

A credible plan is exactly the problem, say it was Assad and we bomb his C&C bunkers which weakens his position militarily so in desperation he makes mass attacks using his poison gas supplies, have we improved the situation? Now if we attack the chemical factories and his chemical supply dumps and poison and kill many civilians that live around them, have we improved the situation?

How about if the faction with the chemical weapons retaliate with suicide bombers on the London underground or Turkish cities. Do we all have gas masks and are prepared for this?

The problem is how do you improve the situation in Syria where a rebel replacement for Assad maybe a whole lot worse and whose first action maybe is to wipe out the 2 million Christians there.

So, those in favour of action, please tell me what we need to do to improve things, as I can't see any course of action that will and I know many very senior ex-military officers can't either and this is why so many people are opposed to our intervention including the majority of MPs.

Spot on.

Where is the Arab League in all of this? The West should be supporting them in promoting peace and harmony

I have just doubled my bet to 20 euros missile strikes Sunday night. Israeli influence is the crucial thing here.

    Russians also increased the bet for weekend