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« Reply #15 on: 03 October 2013, 00:13:35 »

I also was contemplating why I have been putting off a PC upgrade and I have come to the conclusion that:

1. My 4 year old vista system is slow to load up but once loaded it is "good enough" and with all the stuff in there I cannot be arsed to migrate it all to something else as lots of sorting needed.

2. Because ipad is so handy for quick access to web etc it has therefore extended life of my pc. If I did not have ipad I would have changed pc months ago.
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« Reply #16 on: 03 October 2013, 08:12:21 »

Its interesting as we have a three year old laptop which just works fine and a desktop PC which just works fine.

Not doing gaming I cant see them being replaced (the previous desktop was 9 years old before being replaced) unless a pretty fatal issue occurs on them. The desktop does run Train Simulator pretty well so it must have some graphics grunt.

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« Reply #17 on: 03 October 2013, 11:18:33 »

Its interesting as we have a three year old laptop which just works fine and a desktop PC which just works fine.

Not doing gaming I cant see them being replaced (the previous desktop was 9 years old before being replaced) unless a pretty fatal issue occurs on them. The desktop does run Train Simulator pretty well so it must have some graphics grunt.

 :)  without doubt you were somehow related with trains in your previous life .. I bet.. ;D :y
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« Reply #18 on: 03 October 2013, 11:27:46 »

Interestingly Cem, its not mine  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: 03 October 2013, 11:49:59 »

Still using a 6 year old Toshiba Satallite here.

Stuck a couple more gig of ram in it last year when I upgraded windows to win 7 ultimate and replaced the case which was cracked.

It does everything I ask of it so why change ?
If anything breaks or falls off then i'll repair of upgrade the part.
Thats my opinion anyway  :)

As for win8
Mini Me bought himself a pc from Aldi last summer.
Win 8, 1Tb hard drive and 3 years on site warranty for 350 quid.
Can't go wrong with that deal imo  :y
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« Reply #20 on: 03 October 2013, 11:56:56 »

Seem to recall a similar debate a couple of years ago, when it was felt that the laptop was taking over from the desktop ::)
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« Reply #21 on: 03 October 2013, 12:00:53 »

Interestingly Cem, its not mine  ;D

 :)  well .. everyone loves trains in the family then ;D :y
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« Reply #22 on: 03 October 2013, 14:10:17 »

Off topic but Britannia 70000 went through Woking today in full steam with coaches - probably en route to Victoria. Nice sight.
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« Reply #23 on: 03 October 2013, 15:06:42 »

Off topic but Britannia 70000 went through Woking today in full steam with coaches - probably en route to Victoria. Nice sight.

Cathedrals Express, Alton to Canterbury and return  :y
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« Reply #24 on: 03 October 2013, 17:39:17 »

Thanks TB, you have basically highlighted to me the problem with Vista, Win 7 etc navigation for the brief time I have used then. The human brain's memory works by association, so I find by far the quickest way to navigate to what I want to is having all the folders displayed in the left panel on Windows explorer and use my brains strength memory association.

Yes, it does require discipline in setting up root folders and subfolders in logical ways, but that works very well for me, with just a few clicks to expand the directory structure and load what I want.

The problem with search is being able to remember or guess the appropriate words to get the right results and is very slow and brings up lots of results that you don't need. Ok for an occasional user, where time is not money, I guess, likewise with hiding everything out of sight. I can't be the only person that feels like this where many people in preference still use XP and people are voting with their feet and wallets. Yes, I will be going over to Windows 8.1 when I build myself a new PC at some point in the next few months where Windows XP will no longer be supported and also due to where they use HW screen rendering, better multi-core, multi-thread support along with better code optimization to make things faster. I just hope I don't have to resort to sammy to show it who the boss is.  ::) :o ;D It will also be like all my machines AMD based as Intel is another monopoly I try to avoid and by buying AMD, it continues to keep Intel a bit more honest on pricing.

Thats the problem with arrogant monopolies like Microsoft is they want to decide what is the most efficient way for me to work, not me. The removal of the start button in Win 8 just show how out of touch they are with the people that put up with using their software. I've said for many, many years that Microsoft like all monopolies will eventually go bust or be taken over, they can't and won't cope with more nimble footed competition. Android now powers over 60% of computing devices and is growing fast and Unix / Linux power the majority of web servers. Once a much better office suite appears they will be in real trouble.

PC's, and Laptops are not easy to use and are high maintenance compared to phones and tablets. Yes, there will continue to be a small but significant market with businesses and more intense users of computing power to use PC's and Laptops, but for the majority of people a tablet will suffice. I thought the MS Surface was a good tablet / PC compromise with the add on keyboard, but MS pricing arrogance has stopped it going mass market, if they had stacked them high and sold them cheap while developing comparable market presence and software support to compete with Apple and Google than I think they would have been a much more significant player, they might get one more bite of the cherry with Surface 2, but personally, I think they will make the same mistakes again.

I also agree that there is an element of people not upgrading as quickly as they used to and also upgrading memory, HD size to extend the life of a PC and apart from high end games, power and performance is fine for a much longer period of time than PC's used to last where I used to look at a 2 to 4 year lifecycle, my present PC, which is now just beginning to get irritating slow at times and is about 8 - 9 years old.
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« Reply #25 on: 03 October 2013, 17:51:14 »

It's not just Microsoft who are suffering from changing stuff for its' own sake. People left Ubuntu in their droves when they started shipping that daft Unity GUI.
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« Reply #26 on: 03 October 2013, 18:27:45 »

I updated my desktop last year, tho didnt really need to. The old pc ran XP and did the job i used it for. I also have a netbook, now the netbook after a RAM upgrade and the newish desktop run doz7.

I use the netbook for everyday use, like now and the desktop gets used for photo library. It has an A3 printer attached. Its no good trying to view/edit photos on my netbooks 10" screen. So i use the desktop with 19" screen to view/edit before printing in A3.

Tho the advantage of the updated desktop is the speed it boots and opens programs. oh and it uses about 150W less power.

I cannot see me updating the pc or the netbook anytime some.
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« Reply #27 on: 03 October 2013, 19:53:14 »

I think MS continuously messing with the Windows GUI must be putting a lot of people off. No sooner has the punter got used to the Vista/7 way of doing things than their entire desktop gets turned into some sort of giant tablet clearly designed by Duplo.
Actually, its no different to the Vista/Win7 way of working. Its just different to the XP way of working.

Thats not to say I don't have my own set of grumbles with it - oh boy do I, but thats not based around the OS or UI (although the UI has some serious usability issues), its based around the way MS expects new apps to look/function.
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« Reply #28 on: 03 October 2013, 20:04:20 »

So the only reason I need to update from xp is because WinDohs has moved on, ok.
(applies to rest of your post as well, but snipped it for space/tidyness)
Could say the same for a lot of things. Putting a non-IT spin on, would you rather stick to a CRT TV? Or SD/Analogue telly? Or a DVD player instead of gayray (actually, I fall over on this last one, as I no longer have a gayray player in the house  :-[)?

Like an old Vauxhall Cavalier, good in its time, but now time to retire it and bring on something more modern :)


As to your other post about tablets, yeah, I don't disagree with what you say. But they are flawed themselves. No software I want to run is available, and I find the format unfriendly (as I like a keyboard).  I disagree on turn on speeds. Faster coming out of standby by less than a second, and slower by a couple of seconds booting up. I'm comparing current gen iPAD against my 5yr old laptop here ;)
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« Reply #29 on: 03 October 2013, 20:10:42 »

Thanks TB, you have basically highlighted to me the problem with Vista, Win 7 etc navigation for the brief time I have used then. The human brain's memory works by association, so I find by far the quickest way to navigate to what I want to is having all the folders displayed in the left panel on Windows explorer and use my brains strength memory association.
With Vista/W7, the same ways were available in addition to the search method. W8 has thrown a bit of a spanner in the works.

Yes, it does require discipline in setting up root folders and subfolders in logical ways, but that works very well for me, with just a few clicks to expand the directory structure and load what I want.
If that what works for you :y

Most people seem to just chuck everything in the default relevent library. This is where search works wonders.


It took me a few weeks to "get" Vista, then I was hooked. Search is fantastic. No mouse needed, don't need to move hands from keyboard home position - press Windows key and type. So fast, so easy, less RSI. Honestly can't remember the last time I used the All Programs option on the start menu on later Windows. Its a PITA at work when a W2K3 server needs something doing, and you have to fartarse around with start menus ;D.

Fortunately this is carried through to Win8.
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