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[Omegatoy]

Simple answer is turn off the millions of cctv which are everywhere including motorways and are each connected to humongous control centres which run 24hrs a day 365 days a year!! as do stupid traffic lights which when you go to work at 3 in the morning on a deserted road you have to stop and wait for them to change thus wasting more fuel!! could go on but i dont live there anymore thank god!!!!

[miggy]

Worrying on the face of it -- but from experience I know not to generally believe what the Daily Mail prints

  ....6 years ago there were reports that we would run out of the worlds resources of oil in 20 years.......pugwash, i work in the oil business and purchase base oils/crude etc from all over the world and we have at least 35 to 40 years left.

That may well be the case, but do we really want to be using oil for electricity generation?  It has many much more valuable uses.  And given the current market shortfall/speculative free-for-all/whatever which is driving prices upwards at an unprecedented rate, how much would we have to pay for electricity from this source?

I was not saying use oil for elec generation, the point was not to belive all you read in the papers.

 

[miggy]

Simple answer is turn off the millions of cctv which are everywhere including motorways and are each connected to humongous control centres which run 24hrs a day 365 days a year!! as do stupid traffic lights which when you go to work at 3 in the morning on a deserted road you have to stop and wait for them to change thus wasting more fuel!! could go on but i dont live there anymore thank god!!!!

Grass aint always greener, never forget your roots, the country might be in bits but i love this land to bits, and always will, i fought for her and would again, others gave the ultimate sacrifice for her.

[Omegatoy]

Simple answer is turn off the millions of cctv which are everywhere including motorways and are each connected to humongous control centres which run 24hrs a day 365 days a year!! as do stupid traffic lights which when you go to work at 3 in the morning on a deserted road you have to stop and wait for them to change thus wasting more fuel!! could go on but i dont live there anymore thank god!!!!

Grass aint always greener, never forget your roots, the country might be in bits but i love this land to bits, and always will, i fought for her and would again, others gave the ultimate sacrifice for her.

done me bit for the country mate 9years i took the queens shilling
served in the turkish fiasco, Irelandhgermany, got a damaged spine courtesy of no health and safety then still love the country but hate the way its being changed by the pillocks nuff said!!!

[miggy]

Simple answer is turn off the millions of cctv which are everywhere including motorways and are each connected to humongous control centres which run 24hrs a day 365 days a year!! as do stupid traffic lights which when you go to work at 3 in the morning on a deserted road you have to stop and wait for them to change thus wasting more fuel!! could go on but i dont live there anymore thank god!!!!

Grass aint always greener, never forget your roots, the country might be in bits but i love this land to bits, and always will, i fought for her and would again, others gave the ultimate sacrifice for her.

done me bit for the country mate 9years i took the queens shilling
served in the turkish fiasco, Irelandhgermany, got a damaged spine courtesy of no health and safety then still love the country but hate the way its being changed by the pillocks nuff said!!!

 

[Nickbat]

Miggy, you're right about the myth of peak oil. As the price goes up, so marginal deposits become economical and, in any event, extraction technology improves with time. There is every possibility of seeing oil extraction from the the deep ocean beds in the future, BUT...

The environmentalists do not want us to burn oil or coal or have nuclear power. Add to that the EU has become obsessed with CO2 caps, so they are effectively shutting down our coal-fired stations. The environmentalists are so extreme that they frankly do not care what happens to industry, jobs, etc., since their aim is the collapse of western economies. No, I'm not being overly dramatic, I sincerely believe that to be true.

Nick  

[miggy]

Miggy, you're right about the myth of peak oil. As the price goes up, so marginal deposits become economical and, in any event, extraction technology improves with time. There is every possibility of seeing oil extraction from the the deep ocean beds in the future, BUT...

The environmentalists do not want us to burn oil or coal or have nuclear power. Add to that the EU has become obsessed with CO2 caps, so they are effectively shutting down our coal-fired stations. The environmentalists are so extreme that they frankly do not care what happens to industry, jobs, etc., since their aim is the collapse of western economies. No, I'm not being overly dramatic, I sincerely believe that to be true.

Nick  

if it was up to them we would all live in iron age huts and hunt with arrows for our food

[Martin_1962]

Miggy, you're right about the myth of peak oil. As the price goes up, so marginal deposits become economical and, in any event, extraction technology improves with time. There is every possibility of seeing oil extraction from the the deep ocean beds in the future, BUT...

The environmentalists do not want us to burn oil or coal or have nuclear power. Add to that the EU has become obsessed with CO2 caps, so they are effectively shutting down our coal-fired stations. The environmentalists are so extreme that they frankly do not care what happens to industry, jobs, etc., since their aim is the collapse of western economies. No, I'm not being overly dramatic, I sincerely believe that to be true.

Nick  

if it was up to them we would all live in iron age huts and hunt with arrows for our food

I wonder what barbequed environmentalists taste like?

[Nickbat]

Miggy, you're right about the myth of peak oil. As the price goes up, so marginal deposits become economical and, in any event, extraction technology improves with time. There is every possibility of seeing oil extraction from the the deep ocean beds in the future, BUT...

The environmentalists do not want us to burn oil or coal or have nuclear power. Add to that the EU has become obsessed with CO2 caps, so they are effectively shutting down our coal-fired stations. The environmentalists are so extreme that they frankly do not care what happens to industry, jobs, etc., since their aim is the collapse of western economies. No, I'm not being overly dramatic, I sincerely believe that to be true.

Nick  

if it was up to them we would all live in iron age huts and hunt with arrows for our food

I wonder what barbequed environmentalists taste like?

Roasted nuts.  

[jereboam]

Worrying on the face of it -- but from experience I know not to generally believe what the Daily Mail prints

  ....6 years ago there were reports that we would run out of the worlds resources of oil in 20 years.......pugwash, i work in the oil business and purchase base oils/crude etc from all over the world and we have at least 35 to 40 years left.

That may well be the case, but do we really want to be using oil for electricity generation?  It has many much more valuable uses.  And given the current market shortfall/speculative free-for-all/whatever which is driving prices upwards at an unprecedented rate, how much would we have to pay for electricity from this source?

I was not saying use oil for elec generation, the point was not to belive all you read in the papers.

 

I appreciate that you weren't suggesting we burn oil for electricty, but what other sources are there in the medium term?  It will take 20  years to bring nuclear on line, 10 for coal, and we don't have the engineering capacity or mines.  

We've got gas generating capability.  I would assume that this can be converted to burn oil (probably at enormous expense), and that would seem a better option than bulding more wind turbines - they will never be able to provide a reliable base and won't cope with peak loads - you can't crank them up to go faster.

On a slightly different matter, does it seem to anyone else that there is more than a slight streak of Puritanism in the eco-warriors?  "Get thee to a Smart car - you're having far too much fun in that Omega"

Bloody good job we don't have a 21st Century Oliver Cromwell - yet

[Kevin Wood]

On a slightly different matter, does it seem to anyone else that there is more than a slight streak of Puritanism in the eco-warriors?  "Get thee to a Smart car - you're having far too much fun in that Omega"

Nail on the head. It's pure envy politics. BBC interviewed one of them last week and asked what he was doing to save his personal CO2 emissions. The answer was to use low energy light bulbs and unplug his mobile phone charger when not in use. And they didn't challenge him.  :-?

They have so little grasp of reality it'd be funny if they weren't practically ruling our lives.  

Kevin