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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #60 on: 28 September 2016, 21:14:47 »

LED's should be banned from all vehicles. They do not light the way in front and are a danger to oncoming traffic.
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #61 on: 29 September 2016, 11:02:51 »


You do know that single file isn't required? And how would you safely pass a long row of them?

Like a lot of other road users that aren't cars, cycles have characteristics that car drivers simply have to accept. As I've said before, many road users are temperamentally unsuited to what they are doing.




Required in who's eyes ?
The lycra clad idiot who drives through red lights on a regular basis ?
The lycra clad idiot who rides on the pavement when it suits him ?
The lycra clad w@nker that nearly ran me and the dog over this morning while on a zebra crossing after 2 lanes of traffic stopped and he couldn't be arsed to ?
He did have a very nice camera bolted to the top of his helmet though which would have been used to prosecute me for smashing fook out of him if he would have had the balls to stop instead of riding off laughing  >:(

Matt is spot on with his opinion of motor vehicles passing too close to push bikes BUT to say that just because the law states that a cycle doesn't have to travel in single file then its okay to do what the fook you like is 'dangle berries'.
Its about time cyclists remembered that they are vulnerable and should take more care to avoid accidents, rather then deliberately holding up other traffic just because they can   >:(

The roads are plenty big enough for all modes of transport IF everybody took a little time to use that road in a safe, respectful and courteous manner  :)
So you tell me, what is the real problem here ?


I have never said it's OK to do whatever you like. But cyclists riding in single file or blocks is often a case of choosing the least bad option. Pulling over is only advisable when it is safe to do so. On a narrow, busy or even fast moving road taking charge of the traffic is what any road user who has had instruction is specifically taught to to do. You do it in a car. A cyclist riding in the middle of his lane due to bad conditions(which could be the road surface, traffic, whatever) is no different to a truck driver swinging out early to make a tight turn: it is to reduce the need to explain, and figure out who is going to pay for, the 'accident'.


I've explained the real problem many times: many people who use the roads are aggressive, incompetent, incapable, unaware of their surroundings, day dreaming, on the phone, lost, not looking or thinking what they are doing, and think that the laws and adopted best practice don't apply to them. That's just what people are like; there's nothing to be done about it.




Fair enough Nick  :)
A little bit over the top on my part maybe  ::)
Probably due to the prick on the crossing nearly hitting me my dog then riding off laughing his tiny cock off >:( >:( >:(
Bastard  >:( >:( >:(



Imho, that highlighted lot basically sums up the majority of those who have turned to lycra (cos its the "In" thing to do)

Obviously things need to change here and daft videos and even more persecution by the police isn't going to change a thing imo.
From what you have said on here, your not one of the lycra w@nkers who weave in and out of traffic, ride on the pavement or believe traffic laws don't apply to you so a question for you if I may ?

What needs to be done / how do we stop these oppswits who ride there bikes like this and give the sensible push bike riders a bad name ?

Bearing in mind, a motor vehicle owner / driver need to pass a test, maintain his vehicle to a reasonably standard, and have liability insurance before he can even use the public highway.
How can the playing field be made more level ?





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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #62 on: 29 September 2016, 11:06:22 »

LED's should be banned from all vehicles. They do not light the way in front and are a danger to oncoming traffic.


I can live with LED lights as long as they are pointed at the ground in front of the bike.
Strobe lights are oppsing dangerous to other road users and will cause accidents due to the blinding affect on coming traffic  >:(
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #63 on: 29 September 2016, 13:21:34 »


Imho, that highlighted lot basically sums up the majority of those who have turned to lycra (cos its the "In" thing to do)

Obviously things need to change here and daft videos and even more persecution by the police isn't going to change a thing imo.
From what you have said on here, your not one of the lycra w@nkers who weave in and out of traffic, ride on the pavement or believe traffic laws don't apply to you so a question for you if I may ?

What needs to be done / how do we stop these oppswits who ride their bikes like this and give the sensible push bike riders a bad name ?

Bearing in mind, a motor vehicle owner / driver need to pass a test, maintain his vehicle to a reasonably standard, and have liability insurance before he can even use the public highway.
How can the playing field be made more level ?


That highlighted list isn't specific to one type of road user: it applies to ALL of them! Some of them applied to me before I was perfect ::)


The oppswits will eventually succumb to traffic bigger and less delicate than they are.


I don't think there is anything to be done about improving people's attitudes unless we allow roadside executions; a cure that is worse than the problem.


One thing to do: remove all of the cycle lanes created by painting lines on roads and pavements, to ensure that pedestrians are on the pavement and vehicles are on the road.
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #64 on: 29 September 2016, 13:27:14 »

YES Nick! Those lanes are pointless anyway because the buggers STILL ride on the pavements, ignoring them.

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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #65 on: 29 September 2016, 14:40:10 »

YES Nick! Those lanes are pointless anyway because the buggers STILL ride on the pavements, ignoring them.

Ron.


I would like to see it for several reasons:


They've been carved out of roads and pavements that were already struggling with traffic levels.
They're dangerous and inconvenient for cyclists, which is why many(including me at times) don't use them. They are often in even worse condition than the roads.
I strongly believe that vehicles(of whatever type, and we should include horses too) belong on the road. Segregating pedestrians is necessary as their requirements are very different. Anyone who has used the 'roads' in Ashford town centre where they mix all the users together will have experienced this.

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« Reply #66 on: 29 September 2016, 14:54:20 »

Apart from my personal view that cycles and horses are inappropriate on today's roads, sharing FOOTPATH space with vulnerable pedestrians (young children, the elderly and me) is dangerous in the extreme. Cyclists generally do not carry third party insurance and therefore could not meet any claims made against them for injury, or worse, due to their reckless riding.

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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #67 on: 29 September 2016, 17:22:40 »

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Cyclists generally do not carry third party insurance
Specialist insurance is available to cyclists intelligent enough to have it. Failing that, if you can get the details of said errant cyclist to pass on to the relevant authorities they should (if they can be bothered) be able to ascertain whether house contents insurance is in force. If so, a claim can be made against said policy, been there, done it.
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #68 on: 30 September 2016, 09:18:18 »

YES Nick! Those lanes are pointless anyway because the buggers STILL ride on the pavements, ignoring them.

Ron.

Those lanes are not the fault of the cyclist.  They are often designed by morons who have never touched a bicycle and thus have no idea how to create a safe segregated space.  I have covered this subject before in some detail and I would estimate that around 90-95% increase the risk of a cyclist getting hurt if there were to be used.  I rarely use them due to the speeds I go, sharing space with pedestrians while I am passing them in close proximity at 25mph+ is not healthy for anyone.
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« Reply #69 on: 30 September 2016, 09:24:24 »

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Cyclists generally do not carry third party insurance
Specialist insurance is available to cyclists intelligent enough to have it. Failing that, if you can get the details of said errant cyclist to pass on to the relevant authorities they should (if they can be bothered) be able to ascertain whether house contents insurance is in force. If so, a claim can be made against said policy, been there, done it.

Any insurance (except motor vehicle) with 3rd party cover will by default indemnify a cyclist up to the minimum legal requirement for motor vehicles.  Home insurance normally also covers the entire household thus I am pretty sure that your statement is wrong, I would argue most cyclists have 3rd party through their, their partner's or their parent's home insurance.  Personally, I have 2 club memberships and Triathlon England membership all of which come with 3rd party cover while I am cycling as standard.  Add the home insurance and I am insured 4 times over for 3rd party when I am cycling.  :y
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #70 on: 30 September 2016, 09:35:14 »

YES Nick! Those lanes are pointless anyway because the buggers STILL ride on the pavements, ignoring them.

Ron.

Those lanes are not the fault of the cyclist.  They are often designed by morons who have never touched a bicycle and thus have no idea how to create a safe segregated space.  I have covered this subject before in some detail and I would estimate that around 90-95% increase the risk of a cyclist getting hurt if there were to be used.  I rarely use them due to the speeds I go, sharing space with pedestrians while I am passing them in close proximity at 25mph+ is not healthy for anyone.

A case in point ref the design of cycling infrastructure:

http://road.cc/content/news/206414-leeds-bike-path-barriers-too-narrow-bikes-use
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #72 on: 30 September 2016, 13:36:47 »

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What part. If a cyclist lives on his/her own with no home contents insurance, it must follow that unless they have specific insurance to cover them as cyclists then none will be in force for third party liability
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #73 on: 30 September 2016, 13:47:10 »

YES Nick! Those lanes are pointless anyway because the buggers STILL ride on the pavements, ignoring them.

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Those lanes are not the fault of the cyclist.  They are often designed by morons who have never touched a bicycle and thus have no idea how to create a safe segregated space.  I have covered this subject before in some detail and I would estimate that around 90-95% increase the risk of a cyclist getting hurt if there were to be used.  I rarely use them due to the speeds I go, sharing space with pedestrians while I am passing them in close proximity at 25mph+ is not healthy for anyone.
Highway Code Rule 125 springs to mind... ::)

No reason why appropriate speed, or limits for that matter, don't apply just because you (the Royal one) have no apparent limit and are riding on a shared surface. It should be noted also that the urban limits apply to ALL road users.
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #74 on: 30 September 2016, 16:03:50 »

YES Nick! Those lanes are pointless anyway because the buggers STILL ride on the pavements, ignoring them.

Ron.

Those lanes are not the fault of the cyclist.  They are often designed by morons who have never touched a bicycle and thus have no idea how to create a safe segregated space.  I have covered this subject before in some detail and I would estimate that around 90-95% increase the risk of a cyclist getting hurt if there were to be used.  I rarely use them due to the speeds I go, sharing space with pedestrians while I am passing them in close proximity at 25mph+ is not healthy for anyone.
Highway Code Rule 125 springs to mind... ::)

No reason why appropriate speed, or limits for that matter, don't apply just because you (the Royal one) have no apparent limit and are riding on a shared surface. It should be noted also that the urban limits apply to ALL road users.

So I should be forced to use the shared use path and slow down, whereas I could go on the road and do a speed at which I can ride safely on the roads?  Sounds a bit like a class-system on the roads.
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