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[STEMO]

I think that too much is expected from them regarding figures , it's an awful situation for everyone who is dealing with any of it government key ,workers etc it will make absolutely no difference dwelling on what is on death certificates, what is needed is plain old commonsense and people pulling together to get through the present situation & hopefully finding a vaccine to combat this virus, which unfortunately I think is some time away.

Disagree.  We need to know why Covid-19 is being listed as the cause of death when it wasn't.  Why is this happening? 

Simply because it's easier for officials?  or is it an instruction from the top to boost death figures so they can justify the lock down?   

Ask Rods, he'll know. 

Rods has disappeared!   

No, he hasn't. His latest uplifting post was earlier today.

[Doctor Gollum]

I think that too much is expected from them regarding figures , it's an awful situation for everyone who is dealing with any of it government key ,workers etc it will make absolutely no difference dwelling on what is on death certificates, what is needed is plain old commonsense and people pulling together to get through the present situation & hopefully finding a vaccine to combat this virus, which unfortunately I think is some time away.

Disagree.  We need to know why Covid-19 is being listed as the cause of death when it wasn't.  Why is this happening? 

Simply because it's easier for officials?  or is it an instruction from the top to boost death figures so they can justify the lock down?   

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Why would they need to justify the lockdown ? As I said in my post commonsense..

Exactly, most people under 35, and some well over it don't have any. Ergo everyone is best shut indoors...

[STEMO]

There are some excellent investigative reporters working for our free press. The government can't just tell them to mind their own business these days, nor can they be disappeared. If something as big as this was happening up and down the country, I reckon someone would have got wind of it. Rods would have been crying foul about ten days ago, as he gleaned the information from an obscure preppers website.
As always, it will all come out in the wash and, if skullduggery is afoot, heads will roll. But for now, do as you are told by your government.

[Rangie]

There are some excellent investigative reporters working for our free press. The government can't just tell them to mind their own business these days, nor can they be disappeared. If something as big as this was happening up and down the country, I reckon someone would have got wind of it. Rods would have been crying foul about ten days ago, as he gleaned the information from an obscure preppers website.
As always, it will all come out in the wash and, if skullduggery is afoot, heads will roll. But for now, do as you are told by your government.

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Exactly right Stemo, but as you and I know from experience too many folk nowadays think rules, even simple ones don't apply to them.

[dave the builder]

Seen this on Twitter

just because something is on the internet, doesn't mean it's true

if your admitted to hospital, I imagine you get tested ,even if asymptomatic
and you don't need to be barking like a dog to die of covid 19  ,it can attack your organs thicken your blood causing stroke etc
so what about deaths from stroke etc where a test is not done but caused by covid 19 and recorded as stroke 

as for the figures , they have said there is an unusual number of deaths "other than covid 19" 

obviously there will be overworked staff or lazy staff who will just put covid 19
But ultimately ,thousands of people are dead ,and we have to trust the figures given,
because surely a government wouldn't manipulate the figures 

the lock down is to stop it spreading ,
Because the powers that be acted too late, then gave up on track n trace and testing and quarantine
doesn't matter how old or young you are,you can spread it
so you can't just lock down certain age groups

now the curve is slowing and everyone is broke  , it's back to track n trace and testing and quarantine

[Jimbob]

If you just want figures, week on week of deaths v average deaths over last 5 years, just look here. (Weekly figures 2020 tab, top few lines)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fweeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales%2f2020/publishedweek1620201.xlsx

You'll see last week an extra 12000 died than you'd expect, week before 8000 etc etc

[STEMO]

If you just want figures, week on week of deaths v average deaths over last 5 years, just look here. (Weekly figures 2020 tab, top few lines)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fweeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales%2f2020/publishedweek1620201.xlsx

You'll see last week an extra 12000 died than you'd expect, week before 8000 etc etc

I've heard said a lot of those deaths are because people are not getting help when I'll. I know I wouldn't go near a hospital at the moment. A lot of cancer patients have been virtually ignored over the period, too. Nevertheless, those figures are very high. We will see.

Maybe the government are killing oldies to save on pension payments. Yeah, that'll be it. Best put my tin hat on when I go to Asda. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Seen this on Twitter

just because something is on the internet, doesn't mean it's true

if your admitted to hospital, I imagine you get tested ,even if asymptomatic
and you don't need to be barking like a dog to die of covid 19  ,it can attack your organs thicken your blood causing stroke etc
so what about deaths from stroke etc where a test is not done but caused by covid 19 and recorded as stroke 

as for the figures , they have said there is an unusual number of deaths "other than covid 19" 

obviously there will be overworked staff or lazy staff who will just put covid 19
But ultimately ,thousands of people are dead ,and we have to trust the figures given,
because surely a government wouldn't manipulate the figures 

the lock down is to stop it spreading ,
Because the powers that be acted too late, then gave up on track n trace and testing and quarantine
doesn't matter how old or young you are,you can spread it
so you can't just lock down certain age groups

now the curve is slowing and everyone is broke  , it's back to track n trace and testing and quarantine

Not a new concept. Dad officially died from lung failure in 2016, the reality was his lungs were riddled with un diagnosed cancer, masked by a chest infection and pneumonia. Three months before he died, he spent three weeks in Aberdeen hospital under the care of a specialist, who failed to see what was going on, so dosed him up with antibiotics. Fast forward three months, and he collapsed unable to breathe, was flown back to Aberdeen where he died the following day.

Had he gone to the doctor when he first started coughing fits seven months earlier, he might have still been here.

Two lessons :

1. Go to the quack, even if it's just in case.
2. The ultimate cause of death isn't necessarily what goes on the certificate.

If you're beheaded falling off a motor bike and going through a fence, was your death caused by decapitation or  from riding motorbikes? The cause and result aren't always the same thing 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I think that too much is expected from them regarding figures , it's an awful situation for everyone who is dealing with any of it government key ,workers etc it will make absolutely no difference dwelling on what is on death certificates, what is needed is plain old commonsense and people pulling together to get through the present situation & hopefully finding a vaccine to combat this virus, which unfortunately I think is some time away.

Disagree.  We need to know why Covid-19 is being listed as the cause of death when it wasn't.  Why is this happening? 

Simply because it's easier for officials?  or is it an instruction from the top to boost death figures so they can justify the lock down?   

Ask Rods, he'll know. 

Rods has disappeared!   

No, he hasn't. His latest uplifting post was earlier today.

Ah didn't spot that! 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think that too much is expected from them regarding figures , it's an awful situation for everyone who is dealing with any of it government key ,workers etc it will make absolutely no difference dwelling on what is on death certificates, what is needed is plain old commonsense and people pulling together to get through the present situation & hopefully finding a vaccine to combat this virus, which unfortunately I think is some time away.

Disagree.  We need to know why Covid-19 is being listed as the cause of death when it wasn't.  Why is this happening? 

Simply because it's easier for officials?  or is it an instruction from the top to boost death figures so they can justify the lock down?   

I think the figures are bogus. Some people have died solely of Covid 19 but with many others it was simply an additional health problem that sent them into the next life.

For example .......an 80 year old with heart, liver, and and other health problems including cancer dies of Covid 19. Hmmm....really.

[dave the builder]

I think the figures are bogus. Some people have died solely of Covid 19 but with many others it was simply an additional health problem that sent them into the next life.

For example .......an 80 year old with heart, liver, and and other health problems including cancer dies of Covid 19. Hmmm....really.

which is why the extra deaths to the norm figure is interesting

dare say a few suicides due to finances, a few people too scared to go to hospital in case they catch it,
pensioners not eating well and giving up etc etc all because of the Chinese virus ,
BUT, it won't say covid 19 on the death certificate 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I think that too much is expected from them regarding figures , it's an awful situation for everyone who is dealing with any of it government key ,workers etc it will make absolutely no difference dwelling on what is on death certificates, what is needed is plain old commonsense and people pulling together to get through the present situation & hopefully finding a vaccine to combat this virus, which unfortunately I think is some time away.

Disagree.  We need to know why Covid-19 is being listed as the cause of death when it wasn't.  Why is this happening? 

Simply because it's easier for officials?  or is it an instruction from the top to boost death figures so they can justify the lock down?   

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Why would they need to justify the lockdown ? As I said in my post commonsense..

Er... Because the the side effect of the lockdown has been economic devastation. Ten's of thousands, if not hundred's of thousands of small business's will disappear along with people's lively hoods.  Big companies will fail throwing hundreds of thousands if not millions out of work.  Now if the lockdown was necessary and hundred's of thousands, maybe millions of lives have been saved then it's worth it.   

But what if the lockdown has made little difference?  Sweden seems to be doing OK and they expect Stockholm to achieve herd immunity soon.   

The other thing about recording the cause of death, surely it's even more important at this time for death certificates to be accurate, so they can properly plan our way out of this mess?   

[Doctor Gollum]

Nor should it...

Underlying health issues aren't necessarily physical.

And of those committing suicide, what's to say that they wouldn't have anyway. Sooner or later. 

[Doctor Gollum]

From the other thread, but probably more relevant here...

New Yoik city is a festering pool. Always has been, much like Lundun.

The city has approximately 310,000 cases and 19,000 deaths. And is almost worth sticking on its own graph.

Our deaths are a slightly higher ratio, but as people were generally only being tested on admission, we could have ten times as many people infected, which reduces the death ratio somewhat.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Trump is now firmly stating that he “has proof” that the virus was developed in a Chinese laboratory.

The after affects of the virus will therefore be a dangerous time in many others ways other than Covid19 itself!  Watch out for first trade wars....tariff ‘penalties’..........financial retribution.........then........

We've had all of those, except the 
What do dictators do when the population start getting uppity? They invent a common enemy and hope to whip up a wave of patriotism. This is an election year for Trump, and those naughty Chinese make a perfect common enemy. Esp as he can make stuff up and there's no way of disproving it.
Bit like religion, Lizzie 

I can not argue with any of that Steve when it comes to Crazy Trump

Even many within the USA are disputing that China did anything like inventing/creating the virus

Propaganda  is always the enemy of the truth